Talk:Demographics of South Korea/Archive 1

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Current natural population growth

The numbers for September 2020 (births - deaths should equal surplus) do not add up. Births are wrong, my edit was undone, however. VicDoom

Figures

It seems a little odd to have the statistics listed here be "estimates" for July 2006; normally those would be A) projections, and therefore uncertain, and B) not given top billing (due to A). I'm going to replace them with the new statistics from the South Korean census of 2005, if that's OK. -- Visviva 11:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Recent dispute

I was asked to see what was wrong with the recent dispute.

Davidcannon, take a look at Demographics of Japan. What WikiWitchWest has been doing is out of ordinary. Why are you undermining his fabulous works? This is true research. Sources from the Library of U.S. Congress? There is no way that this can be POV.

If there is any problem with the formatting, I will fix them. The grammar is so perfect. The article is fluent yet not superfluous.

From my memory, the user has promised to provide his cites after finishing, and he is overloaded with many other articles that are bound to become featured article.

Unless there is some POV issue that you can identify, there is no reason to remove his edits. Grammar edits, you can fix. (Wikimachine 00:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC))

WikiWitchWest, I'll do the formatting, so could you send me the cites? (Wikimachine 01:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC))

Thanks for your help. Of course I don't deserve any praise for researching or writing, since I simply copied and pasted from http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/krtoc.html Chapter 2. Population and subchapters. I already added "loc" to the References section, I don't know how to add specific citation links, since the loc pages say not to bookmark the temporary viewing pages.

It's just a bit of mechanical work to find content from the Country Study and transfer to the right Wikipedia article, but it's sad to see, unlike many other Country Studies, nobody's done this for many needy articles on Korea. WikiWitchWest 02:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, isn't that plagiarism? If it's GFDL, I guess it's okay, but I'm not sure about the policy. (Wikimachine 04:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC))
commons:Template:PD-USGov-CIA seems to suggest that everything the US government produces (except "classified information" and probably logos) is automatically in the public domain. Wikipeditor 05:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

What do you think about this:

  • Move the content of WikiWitchWest's "Background" section (which is a nice introduction but doesn't perfectly fit into a particular article) to the appropriate sections of Korea, Koreans, and maybe even Korean nationalism or Korean reunification.
  • Move the content of WWW's "Regional differences" section to Eight Provinces (Korea)#Cultural significance or Regions of Korea.
  • Leave WWW's "Population Trends" section (with "Population Settlement Patterns" and "Urbanization" subsections) here – doesn't it perfectly fit into this article? If other countries' demographics articles don't have much text, then that's a pity, as text is easier to understand than figures for people like me. Please tell us where it says that these articles must conform to a common format. If many people feel it is too long, then we can make it a separate article on developments in South Korean demographics.
  • Move the content of WWW's "Koreans Living Overseas" section to Koreans#Koreans outside of Korea or to the appropriate articles that are linked to from there. If the different communities have enough in common, a separate article Koreans outside of Korea/Korean diaspora/Korean migration would be possible (if you want to exclude those who migrated to China and Russia, call it Overseas Koreans).

Wikipeditor 04:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

We don't have to move. More info the better. Just put See main article:. (Wikimachine 04:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC))

Just dropping by... I sympathize with Davidcannon's annoyance; in general, I don't think it's helpful to dump large amounts of outside text into developing articles, even where that text is public-domain and its content is above reproach. However, this article hasn't been developing, and despite its importance has long remained a sadly neglected backwater. I hope that in the future we will include much more extensive information from the NSO and other Korean sources, which are more reliable with regard to current trends; however, the content added does seem like a good step forward. I support its continued inclusion (and improvement). -- Visviva 09:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'll tell you what. You can put the text back, but make sure you wikify it. Also, the purely historical sections should be moved to the History of Korea article. Otherwise, I'll let it be. David Cannon 12:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought getting content from the LoC was a widely known practice. I got that impression because I saw many articles with the "loc" tag, and you can see from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Country_Studies and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Loc&limit=500&from=0 that there are countless other articles that do exactly this, many consisting entirely of LoC content. There's also two Wikiprojects to incorporate the Country Studies into Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Library_of_Congress_Country_Studies_assimilation and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Library_of_Congress_Country_Studies. See also WikiProject Japan. They say "Wikipedia includes all texts from the US Library of Congress: Country Studies Japan" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan_update. So I thought I was trying to help fill an overlooked hole here. I didn't overwrite any existing content, and did not add chunks to well-developed articles, like "History of Korea". I thought the work would be welcomed and improved (including by moving parts to more appropriate articles, if necessary), not deleted and attacked. WikiWitchWest 17:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

HelpAge -- off topic

The added material, while interesting and nice, is basically promotional for this particular program. It needs trimming.--S. Rich (talk) 18:39, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't only need trimming-- it needs to be removed. Too off topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.149.167.52 (talk) 13:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Languages taught in school

The second paragraph of Languages is tagged off-topic. The material provided does not address the education level of the population, which is of demographic concern. Knowing what specific languages are taught in school does not tell the reader what languages are spoken or used by the population. --S. Rich (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Spelling consistency

I will just correct all "ageing" instances (except for the one in the References) to "aging" if you do not mind. This is just for consistency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.132.45.236 (talk) 09:52, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Maps needed

I was looking for a population density map; others would also be interesting. -- Beland (talk) 01:40, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Expat enclaves spreading in Korea

[1]. It seems that there's a lot of things going on in South Korea. Komitsuki (talk) 14:00, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Expat enclaves known as Little L.A. and Little Tulsa in Seoul, mostly inhabited by Americans - who are US Armed Forces personnel, American expats married to South Koreans, or returning US-born Koreans. Note 140,222 US American expats live in South Korea, almost as close to 150,000 in Japan. Americans formed an enclave known as Tex Town or Okie Town in Tokyo, similarly home to US military, US-born Japanese persons and businessmen working for Japanese companies. 12.218.47.124 (talk) 19:55, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
I can't read the link, it's now dead. South Korea might be among the world's most homogeneous nations, it's relations with western world and other countries who liberated them during the Korean war (1950s) and have peacekeeping missions in the DMZ developed expat communities in South Korea. They are (for examples) Colombia, Ethiopia, Sweden and Turkey, as well the racially/ethnically diverse USA. 12.218.47.124 (talk) 07:23, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Ageing

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/south-korea-elderly-population_n_3469953.html

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/04/168615553/south-korea-prepares-the-young-for-a-rapidly-aging-population

http://globalbrief.ca/blog/2010/01/12/south-korea-ageing-tiger/

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2013/05/21/80/0302000000AEN20130521006000320F.HTML

http://csis.org/files/media/csis/pubs/070321_gai_agingkorea_eng.pdf

Rajmaan (talk) 18:08, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

So much plagiarzied/copyvio problems.

This section from the wikipedia article: "Between 1945 and 1985, the urban population of South Korea grew from 14.5% to 65.4% of the total population. In 1988 the Economic Planning Board estimated that the urban portion of the population will reach 78.3% by the end of the twentieth century. Most of this urban increase was attributable to migration rather than to natural growth of the urban population. Urban birth rates have generally been lower than the national average. The extent of urbanization in South Korea, however, is not fully revealed in these statistics. Urban population was defined in the national census as being restricted to those municipalities with 50,000 or more inhabitants. Although many settlements with fewer than 50,000 inhabitants were satellite towns of Seoul or other large cities or mining communities in northeastern Kangwon Province, which would be considered urban in terms of the living conditions and occupations of the inhabitants, they still were officially classified as rural." Is literally word-for-word in this book from 1998 on page 84. This is not the only example of this. There is much more that is plagiarized or copyvio problem. 140.232.238.141 (talk) 17:08, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

@Pinkhydrangeas: this is a public domain source. While the generic "This article incorporates..." tag in the article sort-of covered the issue, I've added inline citations to explicitly state what comes from this sources. Problem solved. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:44, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

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