Talk:Duncan Armstrong

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1. Head and shoulders digital photo portrait, with free use and no copyright restrictions----consider contacting Armstrong directly.

2. Digital or digitized photo of Armstrong in pool or on the medal stand.

Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:13, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Duncan was not Australian national champion over 200m freestyle at 1986 national swimming champioships, i know this because i was, my name is Peter Dale[edit]

Duncan was not Australian national champion over 200m freestyle at 1986 national swimming champioships which was also selection trials for Commonwealth Games. The honour of national champion went to Peter Dale who was also Australian Record Holder, Tom Stachewicz was second and i think Robert Gleria was third. At the commonwealth games in scotland 1986 the aussies won the trifecta with Gleria First, dale second and Stachewicz third. From memory Armstrong won the consolation final in the 200m freestyle at 1986 australian swimming titles. Duncan did swim fast at trials and was in fine form by the time of Commonwealth Games but he did not satisfy the selection criteria for and individual swim at the Commonwealth Games in 1986. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daisyswim (talk • contribs) 02:35, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any evidence that Duncan won this, and it's unsourced, so I removed it. I think this book verifies that you won the 200m, but it's only in snippet view so it's hard to say for sure just based on this book. Calliopejen1 (talk) 03:10, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: MPJ-DK (talk · contribs) 14:17, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Alright I will be picking up the review of this one - both for the Wiki Cup and the GA cup as well. I will be making my review comments over the next couple of days.

Side note, I would love some input on a Featured List candidate (Mexican National Light Heavyweight Championship) and a Featured Article candidate (CMLL World Heavyweight Championship). I am not asking for Quid pro Quo, but all help is appreciated. MPJ-US 14:17, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

GA Toolbox[edit]

I like to get this checked out first, I have found issues using this that has led to quick fails so it's important this passes muster.

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Lead is too short per WP:LEAD, GA articles should really aim for the higher end of the rule - two paragraphs at least.

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There seems to be some identical sentences possibly taken from this site - sacppa.com.au/documents/conference-2015.pdf. according to the too check - That site does not look like it copied Wikipedia so I would like the overlapping text to be rewritten completly.
The remaining results are mainly overlap in event names etc. nothing that can be avoided

Disambiguation links

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External links

Reference 4 is dead
Reference 13 is dead
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Well Written[edit]

"flamboyant" - Is not neutral, not covered in the sources and can be misconstrued as implying that the coach was homosexual, please remove.
Is reference [4] supposed the comment "he viewed Sieben as a role model, and emulating Sieben's Olympic success became Armstrong's goal."? Since the link is dead I cannot verify.
Typo "freeestyle" should be "freestyle"
"as the 1990 Commonwealth Games in Auckland, New Zealand, approached in 1990", the second "1990" seems to be redundant.

Sources/verifiable[edit]

Looks okay to me, news sources, other reliable sources and looks to be formatted okay. Y

Broad in coverage[edit]

The article is "he was born, started swimming, more swimming, got married, had kids, did swimming related activities" so it's not very broad in coverage. If this had been an FA where the criteria is "comprehensive" this would have been a fail, as it is now I am wondering if there is anything not swimming related that's not currently in the article??

Neutral[edit]

See note under "Well written"

Stable[edit]

I am not seeing any evidence of edit warring or high activies in the article history Y

Illustrated / Images[edit]

Well no, there are none - it's not a deal breaker for GA and can be hard to get for living people

General[edit]

This article is very short and very high level. it's not just that it's mainly about his swimming career but that it's high level about his career too. The only place there is any detail is on the Olympic and then when I read through the sources that does not even mention that he was warned to tone down his celebration or anything like that. Nothing on how he qualified for the 1988 Olympics? the sudden jump to the us is not even mentioned as such. Nothing on why the team was disqualified in 1992 or what merited his selection other than winning in 88? What is there is pretty well written, I just wish there was more there, this article needs more meat you know?

@Dirtlawyer1: - I am putting the review on hold for at least 7 days to allow for updates to be made and hopefully more details to be added. MPJ-US 16:25, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Dirtlawyer1: - It has been seven days without any activity as far as I can tell. I am going to mark this as failed, feel free to address the concerns and nominate again. MPJ-US 14:29, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- @MPJ-DK: Thank you, and I apologize that I missed your review. This article was nominated for GA review in September 2015, and sat unreviewed for over 6 months. I have been on a wikibreak for the past 45 days; inevitably, it was reviewed while I was unavailable.

One matter raised above must be clarified, however. You mention possible copyvio from the PDF @ sacppa.com.au/documents/conference-2015.pdf. Please note the August 2015 publication date of the PDF. A simple review of the Wikipedia article history shows that the language mentioned above by you was part of the Wikipedia article before August 2015. It would not be the first time various writers have cut and pasted verbatim sentences, paragraphs and even extended passages from Wikipedia articles into their own work. I have seen exact sentences of my own Wikipedia work appear in major American newspapers and wire articles. It's typical sloppy journalistic practice. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 10:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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