Talk:Duncan Armstrong/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: MPJ-DK (talk · contribs) 14:17, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Alright I will be picking up the review of this one - both for the Wiki Cup and the GA cup as well. I will be making my review comments over the next couple of days.

Side note, I would love some input on a Featured List candidate (Mexican National Light Heavyweight Championship) and a Featured Article candidate (CMLL World Heavyweight Championship). I am not asking for Quid pro Quo, but all help is appreciated.  MPJ-US  14:17, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

GA Toolbox

I like to get this checked out first, I have found issues using this that has led to quick fails so it's important this passes muster.

Peer review tool

• Lead is too short per WP:LEAD, GA articles should really aim for the higher end of the rule - two paragraphs at least.

Copyright violations Tool

• There seems to be some identical sentences possibly taken from this site - sacppa.com.au/documents/conference-2015.pdf. according to the too check - That site does not look like it copied Wikipedia so I would like the overlapping text to be rewritten completly.
• The remaining results are mainly overlap in event names etc. nothing that can be avoided

Disambiguation links

• No issues detected Y

External links

• Reference 4 is dead
• Reference 13 is dead
• Reference 18 is dead

Well Written

• "flamboyant" - Is not neutral, not covered in the sources and can be misconstrued as implying that the coach was homosexual, please remove.
• Is reference [4] supposed the comment "he viewed Sieben as a role model, and emulating Sieben's Olympic success became Armstrong's goal."? Since the link is dead I cannot verify.
• Typo "freeestyle" should be "freestyle"
• "as the 1990 Commonwealth Games in Auckland, New Zealand, approached in 1990", the second "1990" seems to be redundant.

Sources/verifiable

• Looks okay to me, news sources, other reliable sources and looks to be formatted okay. Y

Broad in coverage

• The article is "he was born, started swimming, more swimming, got married, had kids, did swimming related activities" so it's not very broad in coverage. If this had been an FA where the criteria is "comprehensive" this would have been a fail, as it is now I am wondering if there is anything not swimming related that's not currently in the article??

Neutral

• See note under "Well written"

Stable

• I am not seeing any evidence of edit warring or high activies in the article history Y

Illustrated / Images

• Well no, there are none - it's not a deal breaker for GA and can be hard to get for living people

General

• This article is very short and very high level. it's not just that it's mainly about his swimming career but that it's high level about his career too. The only place there is any detail is on the Olympic and then when I read through the sources that does not even mention that he was warned to tone down his celebration or anything like that. Nothing on how he qualified for the 1988 Olympics? the sudden jump to the us is not even mentioned as such. Nothing on why the team was disqualified in 1992 or what merited his selection other than winning in 88? What is there is pretty well written, I just wish there was more there, this article needs more meat you know?

• @Dirtlawyer1: - I am putting the review on hold for at least 7 days to allow for updates to be made and hopefully more details to be added.  MPJ-US  16:25, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• @Dirtlawyer1: - It has been seven days without any activity as far as I can tell. I am going to mark this as failed, feel free to address the concerns and nominate again.  MPJ-US  14:29, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

• • @MPJ-DK: Thank you, and I apologize that I missed your review. This article was nominated for GA review in September 2015, and sat unreviewed for over 6 months. I have been on a wikibreak for the past 45 days; inevitably, it was reviewed while I was unavailable.

One matter raised above must be clarified, however. You mention possible copyvio from the PDF @ sacppa.com.au/documents/conference-2015.pdf. Please note the August 2015 publication date of the PDF. A simple review of the Wikipedia article history shows that the language mentioned above by you was part of the Wikipedia article before August 2015. It would not be the first time various writers have cut and pasted verbatim sentences, paragraphs and even extended passages from Wikipedia articles into their own work. I have seen exact sentences of my own Wikipedia work appear in major American newspapers and wire articles. It's typical sloppy journalistic practice. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 10:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC)