Talk:Edict of Thessalonica

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Translation[edit]

The sentence "... volumus religione versari, quam divinum Petrum apostolum tradidisse Romanis religio usque ad nunc ab ipso insinuata declarat" is a bit of a riddle and one finds online plenty of different translations. The key point is that "quam" depends on "declarat". Rearranging one gets "... volumus religione versari, quam religio usque ad nunc ab ipso insinuata declarat divinum petrum apostolum tradidisse romanis", i.e. people should profess the religion "which the religion introduced by Petrus proclaims up to the present time that he transmitted to the Romans". The repetition/duplication of religion sounds clumsy, but it's in the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.74.207 (talk) 13:10, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple Issues[edit]

I have added some additional references. I would like to eliminate any reliance on the Catholic Encyclopedia at all, but will have to reserve that for future endeavors. I hesitate to remove the issues banner myself however. More to come. Revcasy (talk) 23:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"To say that Christianity was now the 'state religion' is meaningless, since pagans were not discriminated against; as late as the early 390s pagans still provided half of the high-ranking state officials and provincial governors in the eastern provinces, under the rule of Theodosius." This seems like an opinion and needs a source for pagans still provide half of state officials. Maybe something more like "although some historians claim that the Edict of Thesolonica made Christianity the sate religion of the roman empire, pagans continued to serve as high officials in the provinces of the eastern empire" assuming there is a source, otherwise I would say delete the statement — Preceding unsigned comment added by Effemchug (talk • contribs) 02:24, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's reasonable to assert that ancient pluralistic spirituality e.g. "paganism" were not discriminated against. You may want to start with a little more research, such as this article. Chromal (talk) 20:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nicene Christianity[edit]

In my opinion, the sentence "The edict made Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire." should be changed in: The edict made the Nicene Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire.

--178.190.181.180 (talk) 21:18, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Translation[edit]

Does anyone know where the English translation here comes from? Is it the Clyde Pharr translation referred to on the Codex Theodosianus?

At the moment we simply reference the English translation as coming from the Codex Theodosianus itself, which is clearly insufficient. TSP (talk) 11:25, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Maintenance tags[edit]

Avilich, you added two maintenance tags to the article back in May 2022 but didn't leave any explanation. Can you share your concerns? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:19, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly. The article claims that the edict "made the Catholicism of Nicene Christians the state church of the Roman Empire" and "was the milestone of the official Christianization of the Roman Empire". But the French article says that this is "a view from which recent historiography has largely distanced itself" -- une vision dont l'historiographie plus récente s'est largement distanciée. The passage is cited to several sources, at least one of which, the book Religious Dissent in Late Antiquity, definitely confirms this ("the law was not intended to establish Nicene Christianity as the official religion for all inhabitants, as has generally been presumed"). According to this, the edict was unknown in Antioch 5 years later, and here it is claimed that the Pope at Rome likely never heard of it. Recent scholarship now regards the edict as a local decree aimed at Constantinople specifically, not to the whole Empire. Note that in July 2022 دانيالوه followed my suggestion and added some content from the French article, but there is still work to be done. Avilich (talk) 17:57, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]