Talk:Evangelical theology

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User:ServB1, there is no such thing as "Evangelical theology" that encompasses all churches that identify as "evangelical". Evangelical Christian churches adhere to various doctrinal systems depending on the denomination. For example, the Evangelical Methodist Church adheres to Wesleyan-Arminian theology, while the Presbyterian Church in America would adhere to Reformed theology; the Southern Baptist Convention would hold to Baptist theology. Repeatedly removing this information from the lede of the article is doing a disservice to Wikipedia's readers as there is no single "evangelical theology", despite your edits across Wikipedia to try to push this POV. If you continue this editing behaviour, this will be escalated and will result in you being topic banned from editing all religion-related articles on English Wikipedia. Please stop reverting as any further reverts by you will be crossing WP:3RR, for which a block will be issued. Thank you for your understanding, Anupam^Talk 02:32, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Anupam (talk · contribs). The information is a duplicate of the features and the Protestant theologies article. Read Talk:Protestant theologies and the view of other contributors please. Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 02:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:ServB1, evangelicalism like the rest of Protestantism is not a monolithic movement. As such, the lede paragraph that you have removed is quite necessary to make that clear. Evangelicals of different denominations would disagree with one another on many issues. We can wait for input from other editors here to see what they think, but a lack of clarity on this point obfuscates any concept of "Evangelical theology". Kind regards, Anupam^Talk 02:52, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is no one evangelical theology and so the paragraph that clarifies the different theologies adhered to, with examples, is useful. Shankargb (talk) 17:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Anupam (talk · contribs). Upon reflection, I think that precision can bring a relevant perspective. I just modified the introduction to match the content with your precision (I removed the mention on the American denominations; see Wikipedia:Systemic bias), added two references and a perspective that further includes international cultural diversity. Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 16:07, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:ServB1, I don't mind if you supplant the denominations based in the United States with ones in other countries, but the text you added is quite different from the one that I edited. You can restore a separate sentence about the believer's Church doctrine but do not modify other parts of the paragraph other than possibly supplanting the denominations. Thank you. With regards, Anupam^Talk 16:11, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Anupam (talk · contribs). It would be nice to add references to the information you add in the intro please. I searched, but I couldn't find it. Finally, as discussed previously, it would be more equitable to have an intercultural perspective (by not mentioning a country in the intro; Wikipedia:Systemic bias). Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 22:54, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:ServB1, please stop edit warring and pay attention to what you are writing. In your edit summary, you state "Not international", though the evangelical denominations mentioned are based in Brazil, Ukraine, and the United States specifically. How is that not international? These are great examples of evangelical denominations that are committed to Lutheranism, Presbyterianism and Quakerism, respectively. Please do not edit war further or the compromise that I suggested above will too be nullified. Additionally, MOS:LEADCITE specifies that references are not required for the lede as long as it summarizes the main concepts in an article. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 23:00, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Anupam (talk · contribs). Regarding the accusation of editing war, this could be addressed to you as well (2 people are needed)… As I said previously, I gave my consent for the details of the intro because of the opinion of another member and theological relevance, but for concepts, references are needed. To put one country more than another in the intro of an international article is a bias. The intro in an international article should be able to summarize the article, without favoring any particular country. Putting a country other than the USA does not solve the problem of bias. You're right, references are not needed in the intro, but there is no reference (in the article) to back up your info in the intro. Would it be possible to find some before putting an info please? Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 23:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Three different countries mentioned in the lede is adequate enough. What is actually needed are references that support the claim that all evangelical Christians somehow believe in the concept of a "believer's Church". Thanks, Anupam^Talk 23:19, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Anupam (talk · contribs). No information or reference speaks of Lutheranism, Presbyterianism or Quakerism respectively in the article and its connection to evangelical theology. For advantaged countries in the intro, there is no reference and it is a Wikipedia:Systemic bias by not being an international synthesis of knowledge for all countries concerned. Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 23:29, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:ServB1, your comment reveals the lack of familiarity with evangelicalism. I went ahead and added three references to the article, though this information is very obvious to anyone who is familiar with Christianity. If you remove them or continue to edit war, I will revert your edits. Thanks for your understanding, Anupam^Talk 23:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Anupam (talk · contribs). The Wikipedia:Verifiability helps ensure that the information is relevant to all readers. The added references do not have a direct link with international evangelical theology and don’t speak about Lutheranism and Presbyterianism... For advantaged countries in the intro and the Wikipedia:Systemic bias, other contributors experienced in the Christianity project, could give their understanding, in order to remain in collaborative neutrality. Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 23:53, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Ltwin (talk · contribs) and StAnselm (talk · contribs). Since you are experienced members and that you participated in the Talk:Evangelicalism page, I would like to hear your opinion on the advantaged countries in an intro and the Wikipedia:Systemic bias, the international synthesis of knowledge for all countries concerned and their direct link with the topic, please? Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 00:12, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is no one single evangelical theology, despite you trying to spread this POV across Wikipedia. An evangelical Presbyterian denomination such as the Presbyterian Church in America is theologically Reformed (historical Calvinism), while the Free Methodist Church would adhere to Wesleyan-Arminian theology (historical Methodism). It's not a hard thing to understand if you have any familiarity with Christianity. What might unite them as evangelicals is the fact that they support socially conservative stances on moral issues such as abortion, marriage, etc. No single source states that these diverse traditions adhere to a concept of a "believer's Church" either, despite the fact that you have added this into the article. Anupam^Talk 01:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Anupam (talk · contribs). I agree with you, there is not a single evangelical theology, but the article speaks of similar beliefs which are discussed in the references. There is not just one Christian theology, but the article exists. All information has been added with references, before being published. Citations from references about believer's Church and evangelical theology have been added to the article. Thanks for your help. --ServB1 (talk) 02:44, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]