Talk:Fragility (glass physics)

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Inappropriate lemma[edit]

Nice writing, thank you Locke9!

May I just suggest to move this page to a more specific lemma like fragility (liquids)? I mean, this is hardly the most important meaning of fragility.

Also, when you move a page away into a disambig page, please do not forget cleaning it up, and inserting a link to the new article you created.

And one word about the figure: as Tg/T->0 or T->infty makes no sense, perhaps you could restrict the graphs to decent T values?

Thanks again, -- Marie Poise (talk) 10:57, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the positive feedback! Sorry about the disambig page; I began editing it and then forgot to actually complete and apply the changes. I'll go ahead and finish that now.

I appreciate your motivations in proposing the article name change; I myself was originally planning on doing fragility (glass physics). However, after I spent some time reading the appropriate guideline (Wikipedia:Disambiguation) I found that the purpose of a parenthetical addition to an article title is to disambiguate an article from other articles of the same name. Presently there is no other Wikipedia article on fragility, of any meaning. Given that fact, it is unneccesary and would be inappropriate to add a parenthetical disambiguation to the title. If other such articles are created, that would be the appropriate time to have a community discussion on whether one of them is a primary article or whether the titles of all should be parenthetically (or otherwise) disambiguated and the page Fragility be converted to a disambiguation page. — Locke9k , — (continues after insertion below.)

OK, let's just wait for others to elaborate on other meanings of fragility. -- Marie Poise (talk) 16:32, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As to the figure, this is simply a schematic version of the standard Angell plot, with the same axes that appear in the literature - I have not made that decision myself. Should you have any doubts, please see the references currently listed in the article. The first two, for example, include a figure of the same sort that I show. Alternatively, a google search on "glass fragility" yields, under images, typical examples plotted in just this way. It is true that the part of the curve in the lower left of the plot is an extrapolation to infinite temperature, but this is typically included in such plots, again as can be seen in these references. — Locke9k , — (continues after insertion below.)

OK, I can live with that. -- Marie Poise (talk) 16:32, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for the feedback, and I hope we get to work together more soon. Locke9k (talk) 14:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No self-advertising, please[edit]

see my message at User talk:Ojovan#No self-advertising, please. -- Marie Poise (talk) 21:09, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Would the real "fragility" please stand up?[edit]

I'm somewhat extreme in viewing the world mainly through systems theory and control theory (especially narrative control theory: how we shape society by the stories we tell ourselves), but even so, it seems to me that fragility/robustness would have to strike many other people as well—such as every ecological environmentalist on the planet—as first-order concepts within systems theory.

Fragility inheres in the entire notion of tipping points.

I could go on and on, but I'm just dropping a note to suggest that "fragility in glass physics" might not be the best long-term tenant of page title "fragility".

Maybe someday someone else will come along who also sees the luminescent thermophiles through the glass porthole, 20,000 leagues under the sea. — MaxEnt 21:31, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A solution is to move Fragility (disambiguation) here, and the content here to Fragility (glass physics).Polyamorph (talk) 21:35, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done Polyamorph (talk) 10:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]