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Latin or English?[edit]

The title issue: I am honestly of the opinion that because this is a English wiki we should use the most common and well know English name, for almost every subject including this one (name of the province). After all, we have a article called "Roman Empire" instead "Imperium Romanorum", etc. The Latin names should largely be used as titles in the Latin wiki. They should certainly appear inside of the article, no questions there. All the English books I own name this province as "Transalpine Gaul" and therefore I think we should use that name. It is simply simplier for a relative ignorant user to understand that name. Well that is my opinion. I propose a transfer to "Transalpine Gaul". Thanks Flamarande 10:20, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, the tendency nowadays is to use the correct name rather than some English translation of varying accuracy and specificity. Looking through a number of booksthe term Gallia Narbonensis is used frequently.--Nantonos 12:14, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gallia Transalpina (which can be translated accurately as Transalpine Gaul) is not necessarily the same thing as the Narbonensis. The two usages do overlap, however, and this is one of the current article's insufficiencies. Cynwolfe (talk) 16:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why did the romans call it Provincia Nostra ("our province") ?[edit]

Why did the romans call it Provincia Nostra ("our province") when the romean empire controlled more then one pronvince? I don't think this was there first province outside of Itally.--Scott3 13:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that Caesar called it that, because he was proconsul of it at the time. An early use of 'the royal we' perhaps. --Nantonos 12:14, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not at all sure, but I think this was not limited to Caesar. The first Roman senators to come from outside the Italian peninsula were from Hispania and Gallia Transalpina or Gallia Narbonensis, so the expression may (though colored with imperialist presumption) indicate the extent to which the province was regarded as less foreign or alien. Cynwolfe (talk) 16:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did Anybody Live in the Province?[edit]

How come there is no mention of any history or any human occupation of the province? Stevenmitchell 05:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Two years after this comment was made, it remains one of the article's insufficiencies. Cynwolfe (talk) 16:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Insufficient sources[edit]

The article does not make use of the many good secondary sources on southern Gaul. I'll add some of these to a "Further reading" section. Cynwolfe (talk) 16:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When actually Gallia Narbonensis ended?[edit]

The Province of Gallia Narbonensis actually ended in 293 DC after the Diocletian's administrative reform. His place was taken by Viennensis Diocesis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.190.231 (talk) 15:54, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The first significant permanent conquest outside the Italian peninsula?[edit]

What about Hispania? or Sicily? This article claims that the roman colonization of Gallia Narbonensis started after mid-2nd century B.C. Sicily and Hispania were conquered starting in the first punic war more than 100 years before that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolasete (talk • contribs) 19:26, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ERA[edit]

Per this edit, the usage of the page was established as BC/AD. Kindly maintain it consistently, pending a new consensus to the contrary. — $Llywelyn II$ 23:46, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for future article expansion[edit]

"Further reading" sections are almost always a bad idea, since Wikipedia doesn't keep experts around to curate them. They're particularly pernicious in cases like this where practically nothing in the article is sourced but someone's copy/paste of a bibliography makes it appear that the article is trustworthy. Kindly restore these to the article as they're used to verify statements in the text:

Badian, E. “Notes on Provincia Gallia in the Late Republic.” In Mélanges d'archéologie et d'histoire offerts à André Piganiol, vol. 2. Edited by Raymond Chevallier. Paris: S.E.V.P.E.N., 1966.
Dietler, Michael. Archaeologies of Colonialism: Consumption, Entanglement, and Violence in Ancient Mediterranean France. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2010.
Drinkwater, J.F. Roman Gaul: The Three Provinces, 58 B.C.–A.D. 260. Cornell University Press, 1983.
Ebel, Charles. Transalpine Gaul: The Emergence of a Roman Province. Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1976. Limited preview online.
Ebel, Charles. “Southern Gaul in the Triumviral Period: A Critical Stage of Romanization.” American Journal of Philology 109 (1988) 572–590.
Fevrier, Paul-Albert. “The Origin and Growth of the Cities of Southern Gaul to the Third Century A.D.: An Assessment of the Most Recent Archaeological Discoveries.” Journal of Roman Studies 63 (1973) 1–28.
Rivet, A.L.F. Gallia Narbonensis: Southern France in Roman Times. London: B.T. Batsford Ltd., 1988.
Woolf, Greg. Becoming Roman: The Origins of Provincial Civilization in Gaul. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1998. Limited preview online.

— $Llywelyn II$ 23:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Our Province" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Our Province and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 25#Our Province until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 23:35, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]