Talk:Gombeen man

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"The Famine's gombeen men were universally Irish Catholics". There really needs some defence or citation in favour of this strange claim. One certain meaning of "Gombeen" has connotations of "Traitor" or "Turncoat", but this needs to be specified in the article; in which case BY DEFINITION the Gombeen will be both Irish and Catholic, given that those being exploited, abused and killed were also Irish and Catholic. But, as it stands, the article implies that those who extorted money from victims of Britain's calculated famine in Ireland were all Irish Catholics, which is clearly false. Food and basic necessities were traded, not only for debt with crippling interest but, for conversion to the protestant religion that itself presided over the famine; for instance in Mayo and its islands, and in Galway and Clare. So either complete the definition of "Gombeen man" by referring to the traitorous nature of the Gombeen (in which case the protestant oppressors did not count as Gombeens because they are considered as foreign, colonial oppressors rather than traitors), or remove the reference to Gombeen men being only Irish Catholics (because, if you don't want to include "being a traitor against the Irish people" in the definition of "Gombeen man", then protestants who similarly victimized the Irish Catholic population during the Famine should be included under the term "Gombeen Men". If traitorousness IS left out of the definition, then “universally” needs to go from the quoted passage, and even “primarily” would be indefensible in an encyclopaedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.128.10 (talk) 06:03, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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