Wikipedia talk:WikiProject English Language

Bot

I've made a request at at WT:Bot requests#Tag talk pages of articles about English with Template:WikiProject English language to have the articles within the project scope bot-tagged, since doing it by hand or even with AWB might be an enormous amount of effort. I'm not sure if BOTREQ requires a showing of support before action is taken to implement a bot, but I get the sense that this might be the case.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:55, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Simple topic template

Template:English_language -Inowen (nlfte) 01:32, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:English language for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:English language is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:English language (3rd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:02, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:English language for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:English language is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:English language (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:17, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Language for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Language is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Language until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:04, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

English language GAR

English language, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Megaman en m (talk) 13:01, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

What to do about List of English words of Japanese origin

The article List of English words of Japanese origin is very bad. 99% of the words are Japanese words never used in normal English contexts. It needs some attention. The problem is mentioned on stuff on the talk page from back in 2013! I don’t know quite enough about the rules here to fix it, but someone here must. Thanks! DemonDays64 | Tell me if I'm doing something wrong :P 02:26, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Inconsistent examples in talk page templates

The following three templates have an inconsistent list of example words:

• {{American English}} lists "color, labor, traveled".
• {{Australian English}} lists "colour, realise, program, labour (but Labor Party)"
• {{British English}} lists "colour, travelled, centre, realise, defence, artefact".
• {{Canadian English}} lists "colour, centre, travelled, realize, analyze".

We should have to harmonise them to the following:

• {{American English}} should list "labor, traveled, center, realize, analyze, defense, artifact".
• {{Australian English}} should list "labour (but Labor Party), travelled, centre, realise, analyse, defence, artefact".
• {{British English}} should list "labour, travelled, centre, realise, analyse, defence, artefact".
• {{Canadian English}} should list "labour, travelled, centre, realize, analyze, defence, artifact".

Same thing should be done on other dialects as well. Thoughts? --Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 12:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Normalizing the examples makes sense. However "other dialects" templates mostly should not exist, but should redirect to British or American English, as they are indistinguishable from one or other in an encyclopedic register. That is, we have no articles written in Jamaican English, Phillipine English, etc. Those are spoken dialects, and formal writing in most Commonwealth dialects is the same. I think we already have {{Commonwealth English}} for this reason. (Phillipine, Okinawan, and Guamian, Puerto Rican, and US Virgin Islandian, and a handful of others are American-derived). Some probable exceptions that should exists are for Indian English, South African English, maybe Irish English (for political reasons if nothing else), and maybe New Zealand English, though I think the last of these and Australian could be merged into a {{Australian and New Zealand English}} template, since there doesn't seem to be an encyclopedic-register difference.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:11, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

@Soumya-8974:  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:15, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

"Internet" vs. "internet"

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:Internet#Request for comment: should "internet" be capitalized as a proper noun?
There's some debate there about what a proper name is, about distinguishing between a proper-noun phrase and a common-noun phrase that refer to different topics ("the Internet" vs. "an internet"), and about whether news style guides (cf. WP:NOT#NEWS policy) should be considered reliable for how to write about technical topics.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  14:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

The discussion has since moved or regenerated at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Capitalisation of "Internet" (the global interconnected network of today).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:37, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

RfC at Cracker (term)

Hello, there is an RfC that y'all might be interested in here. It is in regards to the lead of Cracker (term).  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 22:09, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Hiberno-English listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Hiberno-English to be moved to Irish English. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 21:04, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

English pronunciation respelling key, issue about example word

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Help talk:Pronunciation respelling key#Replace "moral" example.
There's a dispute (with too few participants) about what example(s) to provide and whether the current one is adequate for or confusing for most editors.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:14, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Ghosting (relationships) listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Ghosting (relationships) to be moved to Ghosting (behavior). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 01:04, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Thoughts and prayers listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Thoughts and prayers to be moved to Thoughts and prayers (political neologism). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 06:07, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Requested move discussion in progress

An editor has requested that Fucking be moved to Fucking (disambiguation). Please join the discussion at Talk:Fucking#Requested move 28 August 2021. Thank you. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 00:58, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Template:English language sidebar listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Template:English language sidebar to be moved to Template:English language. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 09:53, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Fucking listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Fucking to be moved to Fucking (disambiguation). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 05:37, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Template:Cite Oxford Dictionaries listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Template:Cite Oxford Dictionaries to be moved to Template:Cite Lexico. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 18:06, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Please note...

the RfC here (with additional information here), and the related AfD here. Beyond My Ken (talk) 10:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Yola (language) listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Yola (language) to be moved to Yola language. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 08:17, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Greater Toronto English needs expansion and improvement

I don't know if this is the right place to be putting this topic on here but, I need some help and advice on how this article can be improved and worked on, because as of right now this article barely has any in-depth topic information about the history, vocabularies and grammar. Also, Greater Toronto English has very strong similarities to Multicultural London English, regardless of having a different accent, few different slangs, etc. But overall this topic barely even gets mentioned on Google about its origin of history, and vocabularies, and I don't know how this wiki article is gonna get improved. So if anybody has any suggestions on what I can do or if y'all can help the article, I would appreciate it, thanks. Ninjamaster1099 (talk) 16:56, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Expletive listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Expletive to be moved to Expletive (linguistics). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 22:21, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Down the rabbit hole (idiom) listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Down the rabbit hole (idiom) to be moved to Down the rabbit hole. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 07:38, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

SVG-ing the nav box locator map

Hi. Just realized this project existed, thought I should post for comment.

The clickable PNG locator map for English used in the nav boxes is difficult to read and is missing a large number of relevant links. At the map lab we're working on an SVG replacement that is already much easier to read. Comments? Are we missing anything?

See Wikipedia_talk:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop#Request:_SVG_locator_map_for_English-speaking_countries. — kwami (talk) 21:44, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

List of dialects of English listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for List of dialects of English to be moved to Dialects of English. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 12:00, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Finding reliable sources for "sat" and "stood" to mean "sitting" and "standing" in British and American English for use in articles

I started a discussion in Talk:List of words having different meanings in American and British English (M–Z)#Relevance of "sat" and "stood" after my attempt to include the word "sat", which is commonly used in British slang to mean "sitting" in the present tense, in List of words having different meanings in American and British English (M–Z) was rejected and the word "stood" removed from the list on the ground of my failure to find a reliable source for the rarity of said meanings in American English. As I am still having difficulty in finding a reliable source and do not feel the issue has been resolved on the talk page with contributions only from the user who rejected my edit, I considered started an RfC but according to Wikipedia:Requests for comment it may be worthwhile to ask for help at the relevant WikiProject first. I decided to ask for help here as this appears to be a language related issue although according to Talk:Lists of words having different meanings in American and British English the article of of interest to Wikipedia:WikiProject United Kingdom, Wikipedia:WikiProject Indexes and Wikipedia:WikiProject Glossaries, the latter two of which are inactive. Tk420 (talk) 21:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Vera Lynn's accent

As is known, Vera Lynn was a daughter of plumber, so her native accent was the so-called Cockney. However, it was quite impossible to sing in Cockney seventy years ago. In other words, do you know the source with the most voluminous description of Vera Lynn's accent? Роман Сергеевич Сидоров (talk) 14:54, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:LeAnn Rimes (album) § Album name same as artist's name

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:LeAnn Rimes (album) § Album name same as artist's name. Sundayclose (talk) 18:59, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

most common words

why aren't numbers included - they occur everywhere so I cant imagine numbers one two three not being included in the ost common words 124.150.176.184 (talk) 09:52, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Category:Anglophone people

FYI Category:Anglophone people has been proposed to be merged into Category:Anglophone Canadian people ; see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 April 9 -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 06:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Hiberno-English listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Hiberno-English to be moved to Irish English. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 20:03, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Hiberno-English listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Hiberno-English to be moved to Irish English. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 23:33, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Oklahoma listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Oklahoma to be moved to Oklahoma (state). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 12:47, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Credibility bot

I am contacting you because this WikiProject is set up using {{Load WikiProject Modules}}. I am working on a new project to make it easier to set up WikiProjects with built-in bot reports. As a proof of concept, see Wikipedia:Vaccine safety/Sources. If this is something you might find useful, your support at User:Credibility bot would be appreciated. Thank you. Harej (talk) 21:51, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Chinese fire drill listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Chinese fire drill to be moved to Fire drill (slang). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 15:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Auto-antonym listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Auto-antonym to be moved to Contronym. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 14:31, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Toronto slang listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Toronto slang to be moved to Multicultural Toronto English. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 13:33, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Requested move at Talk:Aquarius (beverage)#Requested move 21 December 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Aquarius (beverage)#Requested move 21 December 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —Alalch E. 00:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Grok listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Grok to be moved to Grok (neologism). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 05:02, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{bots|deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.