Talk:Greta Scacchi

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Common-law marriages[edit]

Scacchi and D'Onofrio had a common-law marriage, which is recognized as legal. The marriage references should be added back to the article.

Hi there. Scacchi has publically denied ever being legally married in numerous interviews. It's been alluded to that Scacchi and D'Onofrio had some type of "commitment ceremony" in Australia, but not sure if that would constitute "common-law marriage" or if such a scenario is legal outside of Oz. And is Scacchi's current relationship (in Great Britain) with cousin Carlo Mantegazza common-law? If you can provide any valid citations that can be used to support legal marriage claims, we'll add it back in. Thanks! TrishGow 18:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not to be cheeky but, who's "we"?
Her denials of a "legal marriage" are futile since they had a common-law marriage, not simply a "commitment ceremony". Common-law marriages are recognizable and legally valid in Australia. As for Scacchi's current relationship, it would depend on whether or not they had a common-law ceremony like was done with D'Onofrio. I recall from memory reading Australian articles about Scacchi and D'Onofrio both speaking of the common-law marriage. I will see about getting you copies of the articles.
There is no such legal status as "Common-Law Marriage" in the UK. It is a widely held mistaken belief that there is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.110.52 (talk) 12:24, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi y'all. Just fyi, the term common law marriage refers to this: a couple have lived together in every respect as though they were man and wife for (in the U.S.) seven years. There are limited legal entitlements attached to having a common law spouse. A common law marriage is not something one goes out and obtains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vee Elle (talk • contribs) 21:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mother's name confusion[edit]

On the face of it, it seems that Pamela Carsaniga divorced Luca Scacchi Gracco and later married Giovanni Carsinga. Is this likely? If she was English, how did she get the surname Carsaniga in the first place? -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 19:27, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Refusal of British citizenship[edit]

"Scacchi applied for British citizenship after turning 18, but was turned down on account of her father's being a foreigner. After appealing unsuccessfully, she decided not to apply for it again and simply to retain her Italian passport.[10] In January 1995, she became an Australian citizen and has since had dual nationality." - There must be more to her application for British Citizenship being turned down than purely on the grounds of her father being "a foriegner"? According to the article, she is Italian born with an English mother? If that's the case, she would be entitled to UK citizenship via her mother. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.110.52 (talk) 12:28, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Before 1 January 1983, British citizenship by descent (i.e. birth) was only available through the father. John beta (talk) 22:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
She is automatically entitled to British citizenship if she were to apply for it now. However, at the time she applied she was not, due to the combination of being born outside the UK and having a non-British father. Jim Michael (talk) 16:23, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Never Married[edit]

@MarnetteD:

I don't understand why the article being used to supposedly show proof that a marriage took place between Vincent D'Onofrio and Greta Scacchi isn't being seen for what it is. It's narration on the part of the writer of the article. The writer refers to Vincent as her "ex-husband". Nowhere has Greta ever been quoted as saying she's ever been married (common-law or otherwise) to Vincent or anyone else. However, She has actually been quoted as saying just the opposite. See the link below.

http://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2008/jul/20/15 .
"I've never been married and I don't think I'll ever get married. I learnt in my early teens that if you got married, like my parents ::did, then you'd have to get divorced, and that was a huge rigmarole. Only recently have I realised that that cynicism might have put ::the dampers on my finding the right sort of situation for marriage."

It's seeming to be quite difficult for some to accept that what they've long believed to be true (because of what some writer says or implies in the article they've written) is actually false (How can there be any misunderstanding when Greta clearly states, "I've never been married...").

It's just ridiculous to me that an actual printed quote from Greta herself doesn't significantly outweigh what some magazine article writer infers.

If you won't take Greta at her word (It's fitting that the title of the article is, "This Much I Know". And She would know, wouldn't she?) on whether she's ever been married or not, here's more proof to show that Greta isn't a liar.

A recent tweet from Vincent D'Onofrio's verified twitter account.

https://twitter.com/vincentdonofrio/status/639169640619380736
"Hello !!! #Wikipedia editors my wife knows best . Please make her changes and get it right . Thanks editors. V."

And what is it that Vincent's "wife knows best" about? Just the actual facts about her husband's life and previous relationships.

Cvanderdonk (Vincent's wife) has at various times throughout the years attempted to correct Vincent's Wikipedia page to show that Vincent was never married to Greta. Unfortunately, instead of being treated as someone who would definitely know and have a vastly greater knowledge on all things Vincent D'Onofrio than some piddly magazine article, she isn't. Instead she's repeatedly challenged by supposed fans of her husband. Imagine, someone that actually knows what she's talking about in regard to her husband, having old magazine articles that, slowly but surely are all proving to be full of falsities and dramatizations meant to lure the readers in (Great job, mags! You're succeeding) as proof of their being right and her being wrong.

This is just a never-ending waste of time and energy on the part of anyone coming to Wikipedia hoping to correct or update things that they know just simply aren't true. If what you post (no matter how true it is or how much proof is provided!!) goes against the lies that were posted previously, be prepared to battle it out.

At the end of the day, Greta, Vincent and Carin know that there was never a marriage. They have no reason to lie about something like that. None of them have or had any obligation to disprove the lies that are posted on this site about them. Vincent's wife was kind enough to try and set the record straight, and look at the grief that her efforts got her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vincent_D'Onofrio#More_about_the_marriages

I have no doubt that both Vincent and Greta could go on camera, together for the sole purpose of stating the truth about never having been married to each other and still it wouldn't be enough evidence of proof.

So, just to do a brief recap here, You have a quote from Greta ("I've never been married..." from the above linked article), a tweet from Vincent ("My wife knows best") and a list of the corrections and edits from Vincent's wife, Carin van der Donk aka Cvanderdonk has repeatedly attempted to make, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cvanderdonk 

Vdofan (talk) 05:33, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That tweet isn't really helpful, as it doesn't specify the changes. A tweet more on the lines of "I, Vincent D'Onofrio, was never married to Greta Scacchi" would go much further towards supporting the changes. Or one on Scacchi's Twitter, if she has one. Plus what about all the reliable sources that say they were married. We don't just ignore reliable sources because we don't like what they say. Please address those matters. If you really want this taken care of, you could always contact WP:OTRS and see if they can determine a way to deal with this. At Wikipedia, though, we don't really on personal knowledge, but reliable sources. For all you know, I've been D'Onofrio's best friend since high school. That's why we use reliable sources. Most of which say that the two were married. Hope this helps. --‖ Ebyabe talk - General Health ‖ 05:50, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Can you find at least three other reliable sources which say they weren't married? --‖ Ebyabe talk - General Health ‖ 05:52, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As Ebyabe points out there are several WP:RSs that confirm a marriage. BTW these tweets are WP:PRIMARY and also have WP:COI problems. MarnetteD|Talk 13:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have edited the article to remove the marriage claim. The only reliable reference I could find is this Telegraph article which said, "The gap began in 1991, the year she met and married her now ex-husband, Vincent D'Onofrio." and thus directly contradicted the wikipedia article statement it was appended to that Scacchi and D'Onofrio were married from 1989 to 1993. A passing reference in this People magazine article was also cited, but that is not a acceptable source for controversial BLP claims. This Guardian article was also cited to support the marriage claim, but it was misquoted as saying that the two "had a four-year marriage", while the actual article (currently) says that they had a "had a four-year relationship".
In addition, I found contemporaneous accounts of their daughter's coming birth in USA Today dated 9 October 1991, which says Gorgeous Greta Scacchi becomes a mom next spring; dad is actor Vincent D'Onofrio (Dying Young). No plans to wed. Finally, I think the confusion may be explained by a short piece in Buffalo News on 15 Aug 1993, which talks about their acrimonious break-up and says, They struck up a romance and lived together in her native Australia for six months in 1991, becoming a Down Under version of common-law husband and wife by virtue of their cohabitation. That is not a solid enough source to add such a claim to the article itself, but may explain the contradictory accounts.
Unless other and better reliable sources are found on the topic, we should not be making factual claims about the marriage/common-law marriage/non-marriage, especially in wikipedia's voice. Abecedare (talk) 21:26, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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