Talk:Gujarati phonology

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Gujarati Script[edit]

Why is there not a single letter in Gujarati in an article on Gujarati Phonology? DerekWinters (talk) 03:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's an article on the phonology and is for a general audience, so it's not needed. But if you feel it's warranted, feel free to write how the examples are written in Gujarati script. — Æµ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 03:59, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification[edit]

"In absolute word-final position the higher and lower vowels of the /e ɛ/ and /o ɔ/ sets vary"

Can that mean that you can choose what vowel to choose from or does it have to be specific to the word? — AWESOME meeos ！ * ([ˈjæb.ə ət məɪ])) 12:55, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Allophones of /ɖʱ, ɖ, ɳ/[edit]

Clarified the wording. But a question remains: what happens to /ɖʱ, ɖ/ when they fall after a nasal vowel ("postnasally") but before another vowel, "intervocalically"?DerekTheLinguist (talk) 18:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Retroflex lateral approximant[edit]

(a) This consonant is described in the text below the chart as a "retroflex lateral flap", which is a contradiction in terms - a flap isn't an approximant and an approximant isn't a flap. Also, the symbol will never print in any browser, because it's in the Unicode Private Use Area, and therefore is undefined. I've removed the sentence. (b) Why is there a non-syllabic mark on this consonant? If it can be either syllabic or non-syllabic, this needs to be said; and normal IPA practice is to mark syllabicity, not non-syllabicity. I've removed the diacritic pending justification.DerekTheLinguist (talk) 18:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since 1989 ⟨◌̆⟩ has meant extra-short, not non-syllabic, which is now represented by ⟨◌̯⟩. A lateral approximant is a sound produced with a portion of the tongue touching the palate, so making it extra-short makes it a tap or flap, which is consistent with the description in the source, "a retroflex flapped lateral". Granted, it's not an approximant, so I've moved it to the Flap row while restoring the diacritic. Nardog (talk) 03:50, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]