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Out of place info removed from demographics

I just removed the following sentences from the beginning of the "Demographics" section:

Gurjari-Raga is a ragni of the Gurjars.They were worshipper of lord Krishna as tradition tells.This ragni is sung at the time of worship viz morning. Radha, the consort of Lord Krishna was a Gurjari, belonging to village Barsana, near Mathura.

I don't know if that should be fit somewhere else into the article, but it definitely doesn't belong in the section describing the Gujjar's distribution and location. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:57, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Categories: Hindu Communities

User: Winston786 added [[Category:Hindu communities]] to the article. I removed it because the article itself says that they are both Hindu and Muslim. Winston786 re-added, saying that I should just also add [[Category:Muslim communities]]. I believe that this is incorrect, because it is actually factually wrong (as far as I read this article) to call the Gurjar either a "Hindu" or "Muslim" community. Rather, it is a tribe/ethnic group, whose members happen to include both Muslims and Hindus. For example, on the article People of the United States, we could conceivably add every single religious community known in the U.S., but that would be incorrect, because, as a whole, the people of the U.S. are not any one religious community. Similarly, the Gurjar are not, as a whole, a Hindu community; they contain Hindu communities, but are not one. Thus, I believe the category should be removed to more accurately reflect the Gurjar people. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:20, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Gujjars have traditionally always been Hindus, majority of them still are(about 78%). Islam and Sikh religion have come later, some Gujjars started following these religions later. Gujjar community is on of the Hindu communities coz people in this community follow Hinduism, you can have a special category(if u want to) for "Muslim community" or "Sikh community".(written by User:Winston786; I ha missed the close on a "nowiki" which made this not show up.

But you just said yourself that 22% of them don't follow Hinduism. So how can you say that the Gujjars, as a whole, are a "Hindi community"? It looks to me like they have a subset which are Hindu, but they are not, in their entirety, a Hindu community. If that number were somewhere over 90%, I could see the logic in saying, "Well, they're pretty much almost all Hindus", but 78% is not quite high enough for me. I'd like other opinions, though. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

As I said, All gujjars have traditionally always been Hindus, majority of them still are, it is a Hindu community, if a part of them have started following other religions does not mean its not one. 78%(though that number is categorized as a huge majority) or 90% or less than 50% it has been always a Hindu community i.e people from this community are followers of Hinduism. You can add "Muslim communities" or "Sikh communities" category too.Winston786 (talk) 04:32, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Apologies, but what you are saying doesn't make sense. If a sizable minority do not follow Hinduism, then it's not a Hindu community. Maybe it used to be a Hindu community, but it sounds based on both what you and the article are saying, that it no longer is. It is simply a flat out contradiction to say that 22% of them don't follow Hinduism then to say that "people from this community are followers of Hinduism." In fact, based on your own words, only some (a majority, granted, but not an overwhelming one) are Hindus. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:37, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

You are not making any sense, apparently its a community whose majority of people are followers of Hinduism hence it is a Hindu community and i never said "some" are Hindus, majority(78% is a HUGE and clear majority) are Hindus, as I said, you can add "Muslim communities" or "Sikh communities" category too but don't delete "Hindu Community" category.Winston786 (talk) 04:58, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I asked at WP:Wikiproject Hinduism for some assistance here, although I don't know how active they are. Maybe it's that we're disagreeing about what "Hindu community" means. To me, a Hindu community is, by definition, one in which all or almost all of the members of the community are Hinduism. You're asserting that it means "One in which the majority of members are Hindus". That's why, for me, it's actually impossible to add "Muslim communities", because my opinion is that the category is not meant to be added to just any group that has some number of Muslims (or Hindus, or whatever). Qwyrxian (talk) 05:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I am not saying in which "majority of members are Hindus" but in which a significant number of percentage of people are, though in this case majority are.Winston786 (talk) 05:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I think it's ok to keep the Category:Hindu communiites.Even Brahmins have followes of Islam among them.For example see this page Muslim Tyagi.Originally all these communities, take it Gurjar, Tyagi, Rajput, Jat, Patidar and many more, were Hindus only.These communities still form a big chunk of Hindu population or we can say are the lead communities of Hindu religion.RegardsMkrestin (talk) 13:26, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Like Jats, this is clearly a tribal group rather than a caste group which has Hindu, Sikh and Muslim adherents, therefore it would be innappropriate to add it to Hindu Communities, as the implication is, it is solely a Hindu community. Thanks --Sikh-History 14:05, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Saying it once again, Gujjars have traditionally always been Hindus, majority of them still are, it is a Hindu community, if a part of them have started following other religions does not mean its not one. 78%(though that number is categorized as a huge majority) or 90% or less than 50% it has been always a Hindu community i.e "significant number of people from this community are followers of Hinduism". You can add "Muslim communities" or "Sikh communities" category too.Winston786 (talk) 16:14, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Winston786, you can repeat yourself over and over again, but some of us are claiming that you are defining "Hindu community" incorrectly. We are saying that a Hindu community is not one in which a "significant number of the people are followers of Hinduism." We are saying that, by definition, a Hindu community is one that is entirely or almost entirely Hindu. If the category were called "Hindu-dominated community" or "Hindu-majority community", I would agree with you. But if there were a category called "Male community", I would expect all of the members, or nearly all, to be male. The adjective (Hindu) is modifying the noun (community), which refers to the entire group as a whole. In exactly the same way that a "black horse" should be almost entirely black, and we would not label a horse with a "signficant amount of black coloring" as "black" without clarifying (black and white; striped, dappled, mottled, etc.), we cannot say that a community is Hindu unless the community as a whole is actually defined by its Hinduness. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Two more things: to extend my above horse analogy, that's why we can't also add "Muslim community"--it is impossible to simultaneously assert "That is a black horse" and "That is a white horse." One may assert, "That is a black-and-white horse", meaning we could say this is a "Hindu and Muslim community" but not, separately, a Hindu community and a Muslim community. Finally, though, Mkrestin's argument does make some sense to me, in that the historical notion of this as a Hindu community may have some capital. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Qwyrxian, Only you are finding it incorrect nobody else, and you horse anology is incorrect for this situation, doesn't really make any sense here. You can still add a seperate category for "muslim community" if u want to.Winston786 (talk) 05:58, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually, User: Sikh-history also agrees with me, while User:Mkreskin agrees with you (although for a slightly different reason). And I actually cannot add Category:Muslim communities, because I actually believe that would be incorrect. I'll keep waiting though, and see if anyone else comments. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:50, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Huh? 70 villages in Delhi

There are near about 70 Gurjar dominated villages in Delhi???.

Lohmod Lohia: (about 3 - 4 village in South delhi i.e. Aayanagar, Ghitorni & Nathupur) Dedha: (about 24 villages in East Delhi) Baisoya :(6 villages mainly in the central zone—Pilanji, Aliganj, Khairpur, Joodbagh, Purani Pilanji, Garhi-Jhariya Marhiya) Chaprana: 1 village Julaina which was established by Haryana's village Mewla's Gurjars since 150 years ago Basista/Bosatta: 2 villages in Delhi - Sarai Kale Khan and Khanpur Tanwar/Tomar: 7 villages in Delhi namely Chandan Hola, Asola, Fathpur Beri, Mandi, Dera, Choti Bhati and Bhati Mines or Baas Bidhuri: 5-6 villages in Delhi such as Tughlaqabad, Madanpur Khadar and Jasola. Khari: 5-6 villages in Delhi such as Sultanpur, Rampura, Chandrawal and Wazirpur Rankne: 2 villages in Dellhi Aali and badarpur. Bainsla: Kotla Mubarak Pur one village in Delhi. Naagar: Hasanpur Nagla in East Delhi. Daak: 1 village tamur nagar. Maavi: 1 village Tekhand Koli: 1 village Zamrudpur

Just count the village names in bold, i have been doing research and i found out that {34} is the number of villages in delhi not 70 or around 70.I am a localite of delhi and i CHALLANGE Wikipedia that if there are more than 34 villages then give all the names?.

I can give you some proof:-1970 data

http://books.google.com/books?ei=1qEuTab9KIKglAfNp7n4Cw&ct=result&id=tPMEAAAAMAAJ&dq=aheer+villages&q=jat

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=mphPTYPlO8jrrQe16pDaBg&ct=result&id=jKDPm6uZU28C&dq=gujjar+and+ahirs&q=gujjar

another one http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=mphPTYPlO8jrrQe16pDaBg&ct=result&id=jKDPm6uZU28C&dq=gujjar+and+ahirs&q=+ahirs

User:Qwyrxian i am sorry buddy , no one can me name of 35 village as it doesnor exist.

My Question and concern is "My refrence shows 34 villages and the names of villages which i have highligted in bold shows 34". If you want to prove me wrong then i am waiting for answer.The name of 35 village?.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.21.182.12 (talk) 07:06, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Misleading info-" there are not 70 gujjar villages in delhi"its only 34"

Misleading info-" there are not 70 gujjar villages in delhi"its only 34---click on the refrence http://books.google.com/books?ei=1qEuTab9KIKglAfNp7n4Cw&ct=result&id=tPMEAAAAMAAJ&dq=aheer+villages&q=jat

As I mentioned in my reversion, that book is from 1970, so I'm certain that's not accurate information for the current number of villages in Delhi. If you have a more current source, we can update the article. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:56, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

with due respect sir, population of a village can increase in 40 years but not the number. till today the names , location and number remains same.

Unless India is different than every other country in the world, of course the number of villages can change. Villages/cities/hamlets/machi/whatever term is being used in the local country split, move, disappear, are relocated by the government, appear in response to business opportunities, are eliminated by natural disasters, etc. As far as I know, this happens in both industrialized and developing countries, as well as countries like India that straddle both categories. Heck-think about how many countries have appeared and disappeared in the last 40 years. So we definitely can't rely on 40 year old data for geographic/demographic information. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree, however till the time no one has exact number we can add this refrence which says "as per 1970 census the number of Gujar villages in delhi is 34" my whole concern is instead of word "Around" if we have some some reliable source why not to use it on wiki."Around 70 or around 100" looks good on blogs or on threads but not on wiki.

First, please sign your comments on talk pages. The way to do that is to put four tildas at the end of your comment, which will look like ~~~~ when you type it. The wiki software will automaically convert that into your name and time/date of signing. Second, I went ahead and removed the number "70", replacing with just the claim that there are many Gurjar villages in Delhi. This is certainly accurate. I don't believe that there is any value in having a 40 year old statistic on something that has almost certainly changed. I've just spent the last 30 minutes searching a variety of places online for a more current number, including the 2001 India Census data, but I can't find anything. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

http://books.google.com/books?ei=1qEuTab9KIKglAfNp7n4Cw&ct=result&id=tPMEAAAAMAAJ&dq=aheer+villages&q=jat

http://books.google.com/books?id=Spl3hkRyCZAC&pg=PA34&dq=ahir+villages+delhi&hl=en&ei=nFw9Tc3ND8GqlAeJ7dHoBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAjgU#v=onepage&q=ahir%20villages%20delhi&f=false--1986 Gazetteer of rural Delhi-page 41.

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=mphPTYPlO8jrrQe16pDaBg&ct=result&id=jKDPm6uZU28C&dq=gujjar+and+ahirs&q=gujjar

http://books.google.com/books?id=Jv21AAAAIAAJ&q=ahir+villages+delhi&dq=ahir+villages+delhi&hl=en&ei=SV09TYP-D4L7lweW_62rBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CEwQ6AEwCTge There are near about 70 Gurjar dominated villages in Delhi.who says where is the refrence and where is the proof?

Lohmod Lohia: (about 3 - 4 village in South delhi i.e. Aayanagar, Ghitorni & Nathupur) Dedha: (about 24 villages in East Delhi) Baisoya :(6 villages mainly in the central zone—Pilanji, Aliganj, Khairpur, Joodbagh, Purani Pilanji, Garhi-Jhariya Marhiya) Chaprana: 1 village Julaina which was established by Haryana's village Mewla's Gurjars since 150 years ago Basista/Bosatta: 2 villages in Delhi - Sarai Kale Khan and Khanpur Tanwar/Tomar: 7 villages in Delhi namely Chandan Hola, Asola, Fathpur Beri, Mandi, Dera, Choti Bhati and Bhati Mines or Baas Bidhuri: 5-6 villages in Delhi such as Tughlaqabad, Madanpur Khadar and Jasola. Khari: 5-6 villages in Delhi such as Sultanpur, Rampura, Chandrawal and Wazirpur Rankne: 2 villages in Dellhi Aali and badarpur. Bainsla: Kotla Mubarak Pur one village in Delhi. Naagar: Hasanpur Nagla in East Delhi. Daak: 1 village tamur nagar. Maavi: 1 village Tekhand Koli: 1 village Zamrudpur

Just count the village names in bold, i have been doing research and i found out that {34} is the number of villages in delhi not 70 or around 70.I am a localite of delhi and i CHALLANGE Wikipedia that if there are more than 34 villages then give all the names?.

I can give you some proof:-1970 data

http://books.google.com/books?ei=1qEuTab9KIKglAfNp7n4Cw&ct=result&id=tPMEAAAAMAAJ&dq=aheer+villages&q=jat

another one http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=mphPTYPlO8jrrQe16pDaBg&ct=result&id=jKDPm6uZU28C&dq=gujjar+and+ahirs&q=+ahirs

User:Qwyrxian i am sorry buddy , i think you are Gujjar thats why you can't give me the name of 35 village forget about 70 villages.

My Question is "My refrence shows 34 villages the names of villages which i have highligted in bold shows 34". If you want to prove me wrong then i am waiting for answer.The name of 35 village.

The references provided by you were from 1970 census.So we can't say that Gurjars are still having 34 villages, however India's population is increasing at very fast rate.Mkrestin (talk) 19:42, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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Auto-archiving

I have just turned on auto-archiving of this page. This means that messages on this talk page older than 60 days will be moved to an archive subpage. No information will be lost; but moving it to the archive makes it easier to tell what is current, to navigate the page, and ensure that people don't respond to posts from years ago. If anyone objects, please let me know, but this is pretty standard practice on talk pages of this length. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:18, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Krishna was Royal Ahir /Yadav not Gujjar

Krishna was Royal Ahir /Yadav not Gujjar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.21.182.12 (talk) 06:51, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Gujjar clans comes from Ahirs

Gujjars descended from ahirs.

India's literary history: essays on the Nineteenth century By Stuart H. Blackburn

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=2N046vzK824C&pg=PA245&dq=history+of+rajputs+and+ahirs&hl=en&ei=vs51TYLqMYPNrQesl_S-Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=ahirs&f=false —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.21.182.12 (talk) 07:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Lokanātha Ghosha (1879). The Modern History of the Indian Chiefs, Rajas, Zamindars, & C: The native states. J.N. Ghose. pp. 129–. Retrieved 3 January 2011.

http://books.google.com/books?id=aZeFAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA230&dq=ahir+villages+delhi&hl=en&ei=kV49TdXRD4Gclgew5-T7Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDUQ6AEwBDgo#v=onepage&q=ahir&f=false

Delhi By J. D. Beglar, Archaeological Survey of India, A. C. L. Carlleyle

William Crooke (1896). The tribes and castes of the North-western Provinces and Oudh. Office of the superintendent of government printing. pp. 53–. Retrieved 3 January 2011.

http://books.google.com/books?id=LPsvytmN3mUC&pg=PP7&dq=A.+Rose+is+his+book+%E2%80%98A+glossary+of+the+tribes+and+castes+of+the+Punjab+and+North-West+Frontier+Province%E2%80%99&hl=en&ei=-BIkTdCnHYK88gbA1qnTDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ahir&f=false

A glossary of the tribes and castes of the Punjab and North-West frontier ... By H.A. Rose-page-331

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=LPsvytmN3mUC&pg=PA311&dq=nandbanshi+ahir&hl=en&ei=DAlATcmGBYLyrQfs-_3sAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=_KmaKomlI-UC&pg=PA26&dq=nandvanshi&hl=en&ei=TP8_TdPwBo2vrAelrJ2mAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=nandvanshi&f=false</ref>According to British historian Crooke, The Gujjar claim descendants from Nand Mihir.

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=JQNATZ3NG8yHrAeX7ZHGAg&ct=result&id=GMnsAAAAMAAJ&dq=nand+mihir+gujjar&q=mihir#search_anchor The Indian economic and social history review , Volume 34-page-421

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=JQNATZ3NG8yHrAeX7ZHGAg&ct=result&id=-gsuAAAAMAAJ&dq=nand+mihir+gujjar&q=mihir#search_anchor

tribe in turmoil: a socio-economic study of Jammu Gujars of Uttar Pradesh-page 3

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=DAlATcmGBYLyrQfs-_3sAg&ct=result&id=jA1uAAAAMAAJ&dq=nandbanshi+ahir&q=nand#search_anchor

Encyclopaedia of the world Muslims: tribes, castes and communities, Volume 2

Rajputs, the Jats and the Ahirs, who are claimed by Gujjar historians as off-shoots of the main stock

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=EMTXAAAAMAAJ&q=gujjars+and+ahirs+of+pakistan&dq=gujjars+and+ahirs+of+pakistan&hl=en&ei=D8CaTfynJon3rQen9oGLBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAjgK

Gujars were fathers of jats and rajputs

Book ORIGN OF RAJPUT PAGE 2

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=USmHTd2MDMXVrQfy3_0s&ct=result&id=BTxuAAAAMAAJ&dq=abhiras+jodhpur&q=gujar

Just glancing at it, that does not appear to be a reliable source. Given that it appears that a significant part of the book is related to mythical origins, and the lack of any useful information on the publisher, makes me doubt it's usefulness. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:23, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

The Tribes and Castes of the Central Provinces of India-page-23

says that Gujars are parents of several Rajput clans.

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Ri7pgHOQC8UC&pg=PA21&dq=ahirs+of+gujarat&hl=en&ei=rS2MTbuHHsf4rQfOx-XSDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=ahirs%20of%20gujarat&f=false

The article already says that. See the section Gurjar#Gurjar rulers, which states, in part, "Dr. K. Jamanadas also states that the Pratihara clan descended from the Gurjars, and this "raises a strong presumption that the other Rajput clans also are the descendants from the Gurjaras or the allied foreign immigrants". Is there any reason why we need to add another citation there, especially one to a book like this whose provenance is unclear? Qwyrxian (talk) 06:33, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Musalman Gujjars in Punjab according to 1931 census

Male population 2,83,495 Khatana51,000 Chauhan27,000 Chechi39,000 Kasana15,000 Poswal28,000 Kalas12,000 Monan9,000 Thakria.9,000 Bhamla4,000 Bijar19,000 Gorsi19,000

Source:Punjabi Musalmans by J.M Wikeley — Preceding unsigned comment added by Utosheeb (talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand how 1931 population numbers are relevant to this article. Also, we would need a full citation to even consider adding that (publisher, publication year).Qwyrxian (talk) 01:26, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

From these numbers the overall Gujjar population in Punjab Pakistan can be estimated. It could also be of interest for different Gujjar sub-caste people. Author: Wikeley, J. M Subject: Muslims -- India; Punjab -- History Publisher: Lahore Book House Possible copyright status: NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT Language: English Call number: ABU-5769 Digitizing sponsor: MSN Book contributor: Robarts - University of Toronto Collection: robarts; toronto

Edit request from 120.56.172.70, 1 July 2011

pls add this also that all about a royal king og gurjar community namly yograj singh gurjar .chief commander of battel with timur.

The Gujjars considerd as the protectors of the country and its faith. The Gujjar leaders in India are known for their bravery, courage and huge sacrifices. The Gujjars sacrifice themselves to perform their duty towards the country. Further, it is on records in history that not even a single Gujjar accepted the subordination and faith of the invaders to save their domain or land or estate.

Some of the names of the greatest Gujjar leaders in India are as follows -

1. Vijay Singh Pathik - Indian Revolutionary, Satyagrahi & Hindi Poet
2. Choudhary Rahmat Ali
3. Ram Chandra Vikal - Ex Deputy Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh
4. Rajesh Pilot - Indian Political Leader

Gurjars are always considered as brave people and they became a symbol of bravery and loyalty.

Some of the greatest Indian Gujjar warriors are mentioned below -

1. Manu Deo Gurjar - 712 CE fought with the Mohammad Bin Qasim
2. Veer Yograj Singh Gurjar - Fought with Timur-e-Lang
3. Hari Singh Nalwa - Army chieftains of Ranjit Singh of Punjab
4. Partap Rao Gurjar - Army chieftains of Chatrapati Shivaji
5. Gurjar Singh - Great Sikh warrior
6. Dhan Singh Kotwal - Freedom Fighter of India, First revolt against British Army in Meerut
7. Kamal Ram Gurjar - First Indian to Receiver First Grade Victoria Cross form George V

Vallabhbhai Patel was born on 31st October, 1875, in a farmer`s in Nadiad, Gujarat. He was a Lehva patidar or Lehva Patel Gurjar. Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel played the key role in uniting 604 different riyasats during the process of independence. He also played a decisive role in the Constituent Assembly and remained the moving spirit behind some of the landmark provisions of Indian principles. Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel was considered a man of action.

Vijay Singh Pathik was an Indian Revolutionary, Satyagrahi and also a very well known Hindi Poet. His father also took active part in the Sepoy Mutiny, 1857. During his teenage Vijay Singh joined revolutionary organisation and took active part against the British rule. Ram Chandra Vikal was the first Gujjar leader of India. He was from village Basantpur, it was in Bulandshahr. Rajesh Pilot was one of the most famous and powerful Indian politicians. His real name was Rajeshwar Prasad. He was home minister of India. He was from village Baidpura, of district Ghaziabad in Uttar Pradesh. He was a man of integrity and confidence.

These were some of the great Indian Gujjar leaders who have contributed tremendously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.56.172.70 (talk) 06:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

To include any of this, you need to provide reliable sources that verify those claims. If you have such sources, please post them here and we can figure out if/how to include the info in the article. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:54, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed addition to infobox gallery

User:Gurjeshwar attempted to add a new picture to the infobox of Ram Chandra Vikal. I reverted, because there is no article on this person, and thus no demonstrated notability or verification that the person is a Gujar. Later (after asked on xyr talk), Gurjeshwar responded on my talk page to give references to verify xe is a Gurjar and seems to be notable. This story from MSN India seems to be the best reference of the bunch, and does seem to confirm that Ram Chandra Vikal is notable and is a Gurjar. However, I still believe that the picture should not be added to the infobox, because there still is no article on Vikal. My opinion is that 1) we have to limit the number of people displayed in the infobox (otherwise it will grow indefinitely), and 2) one of the first measurements should be whether or not the person has a Wikipedia article. However, if other editors disagree, and a consensus can be formed to include Vikal's picture despite the lack of article, I'll self-revert (and I'll need to add the reference for verification purposes as well). Opinions, anyone? Qwyrxian (talk) 06:53, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Other famous Gurjar

Hi I just want to create attention about Gujjar's of Punjab because they are not listed in Wikipedia Gujjar/Gurjar page and they are very thickly populated in Disst. Ropar,Disst. Sahid Bhagat Singh Nagar,Disst. Hoshiarpur Disst. Mohali ( Sahibjada Ajit Singh Nagar ), Disst Patiala, Some village of Chandigarh e.g. Nayan Gaon, Dhanas, Kaimwala, Nada Sahib. There is very famous Achariya Swami Chetna Nand Ji Maharaj is also from Disst Ropar ( www.satsahib.org ) and they got very large no. of follower from Gujjar and other castes. They got M.L.A. from Balachaur constitency Sh. Nand Lal ( SAD ) and even though Major Kuldeep Singh Chandpuri is from Chandpur Rurki near Garhshanknar. Disst. Hoshiarpur. There is famous Kabbadi player named Bittu Dugaal is from Village Dugaal Disst Patiala. There is much more i can put in this section so please upgrade this section and add the Gujjar/Gurjar from Punjab as well.

Kind Regards, Mandeep Bhumbla — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sodhi.lambad (talk • contribs)

We can't add any of that information without a reliable source. Please not that things like www.satsahib.org, as a private, self-published site, do not usually meet the reliable source guidelines. If you have reliable source, please provide them here and we can add the consider adding the info. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:29, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Sardar Patel

1. Sardar Vallbhbhai Patel and Rajesh Pilot - Gujjar Leaders in IndiaSardar Vallabhbhai Patel - Iron Man of India

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=ne8cSgAACAAJ&dq=sardar+patel+gurjar&hl=en http://books.google.co.in/books?id=fARuAAAAMAAJ&q=sardar+vallabhbhai+patel+gurjar&dq=sardar+vallabhbhai+patel+gurjar&hl=en http://books.google.co.in/books?id=crkCAAAAMAAJ&dq=editions%3AUOM39015027767717&q=Lewa

I think the above links are enough to establish that Sardar Patel was gurjar. Please mention it as it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ketanpatil87 (talk • contribs) 11:07, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree that that does verify Patel was a Gurjar. However, if you look through this article, this article doesn't list individual people. In fact, the list of Gurjars is found at List of Gurjars, and, if you check there, Patel is already listed. So I'm not really sure what the point of this request is. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:49, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Patidar history

Guys, also refer to Patidar History. They owe their language and culture to Gujjars.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/8/1/3176442/TheHistoryofPatidars.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.36.196.10 (talk) 03:36, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

That's definitely not a reliable source. It is a presentation compiled by some sort of charity organization, and created by just a few people (look at the Disclaimer of Notice near the end of the file). As such, it cannot be used to substantiate anything in Wikipedia. If you have reliable sources, please free to discuss them here. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:39, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

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In Kathiawar (Gujarat) Ahirs are called Gujjars.

Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency, Volume 9, Part 1

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Wr4MAAAAIAAJ&q=graharipu&dq=graharipu&hl=en&ei=9XqATe7CK8qrrAe1-_moBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ

    TOTAL  	GUJAR VILLAGE IN DELHI       COUNT BY  CHANDGI RAM	LOHMOD

        S.No	VILLAGE	Sub CAST

1 JONA PUR AMBAVTA 2 METTHA PUR AWANA 3 KOTLA MUBARAK PUR BAINSLA 4 ALIGANJ BAISOYA 5 GHARHI JHARIYA MARHIYA BAISOYA 6 JOR BAGH BAISOYA 7 KHAIR PUR BAISOYA 8 PELANJI BAISOYA 9 PELANJI PURANI BAISOYA 10 Tri NAGAR (JUD BAGH) BAISOYA 11 HARKESH NAGAR BHADANA 12 NANGLI JALIB BHADANA 13 TRI NAGAR (BAIRAM KHAN) BHADANA & NAGAR 14 JASOLA BIDHUDI 15 MADAN PUR KHADER BIDHUDI 16 TIGRI BIDHUDI 17 TUGALKA BAD BIDHUDI 18 KHAN PUR BOSATTA/BASIST 19 SARAI KALEKHAN BOSATTA/BASIST 20 KHYALA CHANDILA 21 JULENA CHAPRANA 22 TAIMUR NAGAR DAAK & BAISOYA 23 BHUA PUR DEDHA 24 BIHARI PUR DEDHA 25 CHILLA SARODA DEDHA 26 DALU PURA DEDHA 27 DELHI PATTI DEDHA 28 DYAL PUR DEDHA 29 GAAMDI BHAJAN PURA DEDHA 30 GAZI PUR DEDHA 31 GHADOLI DEDHA 32 GHARI MANDU DEDHA 33 GHAROLI DEDHA 34 GHARONDA NEEMKA Banger DEDHA 35 GHARONDA NEEMKA Khada DEDHA 36 GHONDLI DEDHA 37 GOKUL PUR DEDHA 38 JAGAT PUR DEDHA 39 JHILMIL TAHIR PUR DEDHA 40 KARAWAL NAGAR DEDHA 41 KARKAD DUMA DEDHA 42 KHAJURI DEDHA 43 KHICHDI PUR DEDHA 44 KHUREJI KHAS DEDHA 45 KONDLI DEDHA 46 MANDAWLI FAJAL PUR DEDHA 47 MOUJ PUR DEDHA 48 SABHA PUR DEDHA 49 SADAT PUR DEDHA 50 SAMAS PUR JAHANGIR DEDHA 51 SELAM PUR DEDHA 52 SER PUR DEDHA 53 TIMAR PUR DEDHA 54 TUKMER PUR DEDHA 55 USMAN PUR DEDHA 56 GHONDA DEDHA 57 NANGLI DAIRY KARHANA & Tanwar 58 CHANDRAWAL(Sahadra) KHARI 59 GOPAL PUR KHARI 60 SULTAN PUR KHARI 61 TRI NAGAR (RAM Pura) KHARI 62 WAZIR PUR KHARI 63 JUMRAD PUR KOLI (DAYMA) 64 AYA NAGAR LOHMOD 65 GHITORNI LOHMOD 66 PEHLAD PUR LOHMOD 67 TEKHAND MAAVI 68 HASAN PUR NAGAR 69 TIHAR Poswal,Jangal,Bhadana 70 BADAR PUR REXWAL 71 AALI REXWAL (RANKE) 72 ASOLA TANWAR 73 BHATI KALAN (Chota Baas) TANWAR 74 BHATI KHURD (Bada Baas) TANWAR 75 CHANDAN HULLA TANWAR 76 DERA TANWAR 77 FATEH PUR BERI TANWAR 78 MANDI TANWAR

SOME OTHER PLACE OF GUJAR' S IN DELHI

GUJAR DAIRY ADHANA & CHAPRANA PEERA GARHI Karhana & MIX

Pyare Gujar Bhaiyo Ko Namaskar Maine Bahut Kosis Karke In Gaon Ke Bare Main Jana Hai Agar Koi Galti ya Bhool ho Gayi Ho Sudhar Ke Liye Sujhav Dena Ji CHANDGI RAM LOHOMOD VILLAGE & P.O. GHITORNI MobileNo -9868135611 NEW DELHI - 110030 EMAIL- ccrgurjar@gmail.com

GUJJAR VILLAGE IN HARYANA COUNT BY CHANDGI RAM LOHMOD 1 FARIDA BAD ANKHER BIDHUDI 2 FARIDA BAD ANNANG PUR BHADANA 3 FARIDA BAD BHATOLA Chandila & Adhana 4 FARIDA BAD BHOKRI FAGNA 5 FARIDA BAD BHUA PUR TIGAON NAGAR 6 FARIDA BAD BUDHENA CHANDILA 7 FARIDA BAD CHAND PUR 8 FARIDA BAD FAJJA PUR NAGAR 9 FARIDA BAD FATEH PUR CHANDILA CHANDILA 10 FARIDA BAD FATU PURA 11 FARIDA BAD FIROJ PUR KALAN KARHANA 12 FARIDA BAD JASANA NAGAR 13 FARIDA BAD KABUL PUR KARHANA 14 FARIDA BAD KAM NAGAR 15 FARIDA BAD KAMRA BHADANA 16 FARIDA BAD KAURALI 17 FARIDA BAD KHEDI GUJRAN LOHMOD 18 FARIDA BAD KHORI JAMAL PUR KHATANA 19 FARIDA BAD KOT MAAVI 20 FARIDA BAD LAKAD PUR BHADANA 21 FARIDA BAD MACHCHHGAR NAGAR 22 FARIDA BAD MANJHAWLI 23 FARIDA BAD MOHPTA BAD BHADANA 24 FARIDA BAD MUJESAR KAPASIYA 25 FARIDA BAD MUNJAIDI KAPASIYA 26 FARIDA BAD NANGLA GUJRAN BHADANA & BOSSATA 27 FARIDA BAD NAUCHOLI NAGAR 28 FARIDA BAD NEEMKA NAGAR 29 FARIDA BAD NEK PUR MANDAAR 30 FARIDA BAD PAKHAL BHADANA 31 FARIDA BAD PALI BHADANA 32 FARIDA BAD PALI NAWADA 33 FARIDA BAD PAWTA BHADANA 34 FARIDA BAD PEHLAD PUR BHADANA 35 FARIDA BAD SARAI KHAWAJA 36 FARIDA BAD SHAHPUR KALAN 37 FARIDA BAD SIDAK NAGAR 38 FARIDA BAD SIDOLA NAGAR 39 FARIDA BAD TAJ PUR 40 FARIDA BAD TIGAON NAGAR,ADHANA 41 FARIDA BAD TILORI BIDHUDI 42 FARIDA BAD UCHCHA GAOUN NAGAR 43 Faridabad&Ballabghar AGWAN PUR 44 Faridabad&Ballabghar ALLI PUR BHADANA 45 Faridabad&Ballabghar AMIR PUR BHADANA 46 Faridabad&Ballabghar ASAWTA POSWAL 47 Faridabad&Ballabghar BADOLI CHANDILA 48 Faridabad&Ballabghar BADROLA SARDHANA 49 Faridabad&Ballabghar BEHBOOL PUR BHADANA 50 Faridabad&Ballabghar BHAINSRAWLI BAISLA 51 Faridabad&Ballabghar BHAT PURA BHATI & BHADANA 52 Faridabad&Ballabghar BUDENA CHANDILA 53 Faridabad&Ballabghar CHANDILA POSWAL 54 Faridabad&Ballabghar FARED PUR KHATANA 55 Faridabad&Ballabghar GHURSAAN HUN 56 Faridabad&Ballabghar HARPHALA HUN 57 Faridabad&Ballabghar KARNEHRA KARHANA 58 Faridabad&Ballabghar KHORI KHURD KALAN KHATANA 59 Faridabad&Ballabghar LADHIYA PUR MAAVI 60 Faridabad&Ballabghar MANDAWLI NAGAR 61 Faridabad&Ballabghar MAWAI MAAVI 62 Faridabad&Ballabghar MEHMOOD PUR BHADANA 63 Faridabad&Ballabghar MEVLA MAHARAJ PUR CHAPRANA 64 Faridabad&Ballabghar MOLAD BANDH 65 Faridabad&Ballabghar NAWADA NAGAR 66 Faridabad&Ballabghar NAWADA Bhadana BHADANA 67 Faridabad&Ballabghar PALLA NAGAR 68 Faridabad&Ballabghar PANHERA KHURD LOHMOD(PANWAR) 69 Faridabad&Ballabghar SAHA PUR KHURD ADHANA 70 Faridabad&Ballabghar SEKORNA SIRADHANA 71 Faridabad&Ballabghar SEKRI KALAN SIRADHANA 72 Faridabad&Ballabghar SEKRI KHURD SIRADHANA 73 Faridabad&Ballabghar TEEKRI KHERA NAGAR 74 Faridabad&Ballabghar TILPAT NAGAR 75 GURGAON (PALWAL) BADOLI BAISLA 76 GURGAON (PATODI) BILAS PUR 77 GURGAON (PATODI) BRIJ PURA 78 GURGAON (PATODI) CHANDILA DUNGARWAS 79 GURGAON (PATODI) GADAI PUR 80 GURGAON (PATODI) INCHHA PURI 81 GURGAON (PATODI) PANDALA 82 GURGAON (PATODI) RATHIWAS 83 GURGAON (PATODI) SIRADHNAWALI 84 GURGAON (SOHNA) ABEY PUR KHATANA 85 GURGAON (SOHNA) AKBAR PUR 86 GURGAON (SOHNA) AMROLI 87 GURGAON (SOHNA) ATARCHATA ADHANA 88 GURGAON (SOHNA) BADGURJAR 89 GURGAON (SOHNA) BADHAN PUR BHADANA 90 GURGAON (SOHNA) BADOLI 91 GURGAON (SOHNA) BAIKHEDA AWANA 92 GURGAON (SOHNA) BALIYAWAS HARSANA 93 GURGAON (SOHNA) BAMRAULI 94 GURGAON (SOHNA) BANDHWADI HARSANA & KOLI 95 GURGAON (SOHNA) BEHLPA KHATANA 96 GURGAON (SOHNA) BEHRAM PUR AMBAVTA & BHATI 97 GURGAON (SOHNA) BELA 98 GURGAON (SOHNA) BERKA KHATANA 99 GURGAON (SOHNA) BHAGOLA 100 GURGAON (SOHNA) BHATI KALAN BHATI 101 GURGAON (SOHNA) BHATI KHURD BHATI 102 GURGAON (SOHNA) BHILAKA HARSANA & KOLI 103 GURGAON (SOHNA) BHONDSI 104 GURGAON (SOHNA) BHUA PUR BHADANA 105 GURGAON (SOHNA) BICHPURI 106 GURGAON (SOHNA) BILAAKA BHAMLA 107 GURGAON (SOHNA) BILOCH PUR 108 GURGAON (SOHNA) BISSAR 109 GURGAON (SOHNA) CHUHAD PUR TANWAR 110 GURGAON (SOHNA) DAMDAMA KHATANA 111 GURGAON (SOHNA) DARBARI PUR BOKAN 112 GURGAON (SOHNA) DHUMAS PUR 113 GURGAON (SOHNA) DHUNELA KHATANA & KARHANA 114 GURGAON (SOHNA) GAIRAT PUR BAAS 115 GURGAON (SOHNA) GHARHI HARSU HARSANA 116 GURGAON (SOHNA) GHASEDA 117 GURGAON (SOHNA) GHATA KOLI (DAYMA) 118 GURGAON (SOHNA) GUDHRANA 119 GURGAON (SOHNA) GUJAR NANGLA 120 GURGAON (SOHNA) GULAWDI 121 GURGAON (SOHNA) GWAL PAHARI TANWAR 122 GURGAON (SOHNA) HARCHAND PUR BOKAN(BHAMLA) 123 GURGAON (SOHNA) HASAN PUR BOKAN 124 GURGAON (SOHNA) HAYAT PUR 125 GURGAON (SOHNA) ISEKI AWANA 126 GURGAON (SOHNA) JILOKA AWANA 127 GURGAON (SOHNA) JOLAKA HARSANA & AWANA 128 GURGAON (SOHNA) KADAR PUR KOLI Dayma)& ADHANA 129 GURGAON (SOHNA) KANHAI KALAN 130 GURGAON (SOHNA) KANWARLA 131 GURGAON (SOHNA) KARNA 132 GURGAON (SOHNA) KAROLI 133 GURGAON (SOHNA) KASHI PUR LOHMOD 134 GURGAON (SOHNA) KHAIKAL SARDHANA 135 GURGAON (SOHNA) KHARODA BHAMLA 136 GURGAON (SOHNA) KHATELA BOSATTA & ADHANA 137 GURGAON (SOHNA) KHEDLA KHATANA 138 GURGAON (SOHNA) KOTA KHNDEWAL RATHI 139 GURGAON (SOHNA) KUSHAK 140 GURGAON (SOHNA) LAKHUWAS KARHANA 141 GURGAON (SOHNA) LAL GHAR 142 GURGAON (SOHNA) LAL WARI 143 GURGAON (SOHNA) LALA KHEDLI KHATANA 144 GURGAON (SOHNA) LALWAKA 145 GURGAON (SOHNA) LOHTKI KHATANA 146 GURGAON (SOHNA) LULWADI 147 GURGAON (SOHNA) MAHARAJ PUR 148 GURGAON (SOHNA) MAIDAWAS 149 GURGAON (SOHNA) MAKODA GUJAR 150 GURGAON (SOHNA) MANDKOLA 151 GURGAON (SOHNA) MANDORI 152 GURGAON (SOHNA) MANGAR HARSANA & BHADAN 153 GURGAON (SOHNA) MARROLI 154 GURGAON (SOHNA) MEHRAJ PUR KHATANA 155 GURGAON (SOHNA) MOHMAD PUR HARSANA 156 GURGAON (SOHNA) NARSING PUR BHEDI & BHATI 157 GURGAON (SOHNA) NATHU PUR LOHMOD 158 GURGAON (SOHNA) NAYA GAOUN BHADANA 159 GURGAON (SOHNA) NIMOTH BHAMLA 160 GURGAON (SOHNA) PAROLI 161 GURGAON (SOHNA) PHULWARI POSWAL 162 GURGAON (SOHNA) PUTTHLI 163 GURGAON (SOHNA) RAIDASKA 164 GURGAON (SOHNA) RAM GHAR 165 GURGAON (SOHNA) REEBAD 166 GURGAON (SOHNA) REHRANA 167 GURGAON (SOHNA) RENDKA 168 GURGAON (SOHNA) RETHOJ KHATANA 169 GURGAON (SOHNA) RITHOJ KHATANA 170 GURGAON (SOHNA) SALOTI 171 GURGAON (SOHNA) SANP KI NANGLI 172 GURGAON (SOHNA) SEHITOJ KHATANA 173 GURGAON (SOHNA) SEHJAWAS KHATANA 174 GURGAON (SOHNA) SINGHOLA bhamla &KHATANA 175 GURGAON (SOHNA) SIRASKA BOKAN 176 GURGAON (SOHNA) SIYA BOSATTA & ADHANA 177 GURGAON (SOHNA) SOHNA KALAN 178 GURGAON (SOHNA) SWAMIKA 179 GURGAON (SOHNA) TEKRI 180 GURGAON (SOHNA) TETAD BOKAN 181 GURGAON (SOHNA) TIGRA TANWAR 182 GURGAON (SOHNA) TOLNI BHAMBHLA 183 GURGAON (SOHNA) TUMASRA 184 GURGAON (SOHNA) ULLAHWAS AMBAVTA 185 GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr) BHANGROLA 186 GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr) BUDHEDA 187 GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr) GHARHI NATHEY KHAN 188 GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr) JAMAL PUR 189 GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr) KAROLA 190 GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr) KHANDEWALA 191 GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr) KHAR KHARI GUJAR 192 GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr) MEHCHNA 193 GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr) TAJ NAGAR 194 GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr) TIRPADI 195 JHAJAR BAJEET PUR KARHANA 196 JHAJAR SIKANDAR PUR KARHANA 197 KAIRANA ALDI 198 KAIRANA BINDA 199 KAIRANA BRAHAM KHEDA 200 KAIRANA BUCCHA KHERI 201 KAIRANA DABHERI BUJARG 202 KAIRANA DINDUKHERA 203 KAIRANA DUDHAR 204 KAIRANA ESSOPUR TEEL 205 KAIRANA GANGERU 206 KAIRANA GHARHI RADA 207 KAIRANA GHARHI RAMKAUR 208 KAIRANA GOGAR 209 KAIRANA GUJJAR BALWA 210 KAIRANA GURJAR PUR 211 KAIRANA ISLAM PUR GHASOLI 212 KAIRANA JAGAN PUR 213 KAIRANA JAMAL PUR 214 KAIRANA JASALA 215 KAIRANA JHAR KHERI 216 KAIRANA KANDELA 217 KAIRANA KHANDRAWLI 218 KAIRANA KHEDA KURTAN 219 KAIRANA MAMUR 220 KAIRANA MEEMLA 221 KAIRANA MOI 222 KAIRANA NAI NAGLA 223 KAIRANA NALA 224 KAIRANA PAWTIKALA 225 KAIRANA RAJA PUR 226 KAIRANA RASUL PUR GUJRAN 227 KAIRANA RATONG 228 KAIRANA SAHAPAT 229 KAIRANA SAKOTI 230 KAIRANA SHAMLI SHAMLA 231 KAIRANA SHIV NAGAR 232 KAIRANA TITARWADA 233 KAIRANA UCHCHA GAOUN 234 PANIPAT BAPOLI Dashrath BHADANA 235 PANIPAT BHODWAL MAJRI 236 PANIPAT BHOODWAL MAJRI Dashrath BHADANA 237 REWARI BASAI 238 REWARI BHUDLA 239 REWARI CHANDANWAS 240 REWARI DHOBI GHAT 241 REWARI DHOKI 242 REWARI GHATAL GUJAR 243 REWARI GUJAR MAJRI 244 REWARI IBRAHIM PUR 245 REWARI JIWARA 246 REWARI LADUWAS GUJAR 247 REWARI MANGALESHWAR 248 REWARI PATAUDA 249 REWARI PATHREDI 250 YAMUNA NAGAR AHADWALA 251 YAMUNA NAGAR ALIPURA 252 YAMUNA NAGAR BAHADUR PUR 253 YAMUNA NAGAR BANKAT 254 YAMUNA NAGAR BEGAM PUR 255 YAMUNA NAGAR BHILPURA 256 YAMUNA NAGAR BHUDKALA 257 YAMUNA NAGAR BICHPADI 258 YAMUNA NAGAR BRAHMAN MAJRA 259 YAMUNA NAGAR CHOLI 260 YAMUNA NAGAR CHUHAD PUR KALAN 261 YAMUNA NAGAR CHUHAD PUR KHURD 262 YAMUNA NAGAR DADWA 263 YAMUNA NAGAR DAMO PURA 264 YAMUNA NAGAR DEVDHAR 265 YAMUNA NAGAR DHAURANG 266 YAMUNA NAGAR GULABGHARH 267 YAMUNA NAGAR HALADARI GUJRAN 268 YAMUNA NAGAR HASAN PUR 269 YAMUNA NAGAR ISMAIL PUR 270 YAMUNA NAGAR JAIDHAR 271 YAMUNA NAGAR JAIRAM PUR 272 YAMUNA NAGAR KALESHAR 273 YAMUNA NAGAR KANNYAWALA 274 YAMUNA NAGAR KHADRI 275 YAMUNA NAGAR LAAKAR 276 YAMUNA NAGAR LAHORIWALA 277 YAMUNA NAGAR MADHUBANS 278 YAMUNA NAGAR MADO 279 YAMUNA NAGAR MANBHAWLA 280 YAMUNA NAGAR MANDEWALA 281 YAMUNA NAGAR MANDOLI 282 YAMUNA NAGAR MEHAR MAJRA 283 YAMUNA NAGAR MILAK KHAS 284 YAMUNA NAGAR MODHA 285 YAMUNA NAGAR MUGLAWALI 286 YAMUNA NAGAR MUJAFAT 287 YAMUNA NAGAR NANDGHAR 288 YAMUNA NAGAR NATHAN PURA 289 YAMUNA NAGAR NIWAJ PUR 290 YAMUNA NAGAR RAMPUR KHADER 291 YAMUNA NAGAR SEHJAD PUR 292 YAMUNA NAGAR SHEKHUMAJRA 293 YAMUNA NAGAR SLEMPUR 294 YAMUNA NAGAR TELI PURA 295 GURGAON(SOHNA) CHANDILA POSWAL Bhadana (14 villages) Mavi (10 Village) in Badka Teh Palwal Nagar(84 villages) Baisla (26 village) Phagna (1 Village)

CHANDGI RAM LOHMOD Email ccrgurjar@gmail.com Mob - 9868135611 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.162.198 (talk) 10:20, 20 November 2011 (UTC) GUJJAR VILLAGE IN U.P Count By CHANDGI RAM LOHMOD (Ghitorni) BAGPAT AHERA BAGPAT BADOLI BAGPAT BADOT (BAROUT) BAGPAT BALI BAGPAT BDHEDA BAGPAT BHAGOT BAGPAT BICHHPADI BAGPAT BINOULI BAGPAT CHHAPROLI BAGPAT DAGAR PUR BAGPAT FAKAR PUR BAGPAT GARHI (KALINGRI) MANGAAR BAGPAT GHITORA BAISLA BAGPAT GONA BAGPAT GOTHRA BAGPAT JAWHAR PUR MEVLA BAGPAT KAIDWA KAMALA KARHANA BAGPAT KHATTA PRAHALAD PUR KARHANA BAGPAT KHEKRA BAGPAT LALIYAN PUR BAGPAT MASURI BAGPAT MEETLI BAGPAT MEHARAM PUR BAGPAT NANGLA BALI BAGPAT NIBOLI BAGPAT NIROJ PUR MAAVI BAGPAT NOOR PUR MUZBIDA HARSANA Mangaar BAGPAT PABLA DHAMA BAGPAT PHULERA BAGPAT PILANA BAGPAT PUTTHI BAGPAT RATOL BAGPAT SARFA BAD BAGPAT SUBHAN PUR MANGAAR BAGPAT SURAJ PUR MAHANWA BAGPAT TATIRI MANDI BAGPAT TIGRI BAGPAT VINAY PUR BAGPAT (BINAULI) BAMNOLI BAGPAT (BINAULI) BEGAMABAD GARHI BAGPAT (BINAULI) BOR PURA BAGPAT (BINAULI) CHNADYAN CHECHI BAGPAT (BINAULI) HIMMAT PUR BAGPAT (BINAULI) KHAPRANA KARHANA BAGPAT (BINAULI) MAAVIKLAN MAAVI BAGPAT (BINAULI) MANGROULI BAGPAT (BINAULI) SISROULI MAAVI BAGPAT (BINAULI) TETRA BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI) BASOLI BAINSLA BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI) BODHA BAINSLA BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI) KAKOR KALAN BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI) KIRTHAL BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI) MUKAND PUR BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI) RATHAURA BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI) SHER PUR BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI) SOTHI KALAN SETHI BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI) TUGANA KHURAD BAGPAT (PILANA) ABDULLAH PUR MEVLA BAGPAT (PILANA) BAINSLA KALAN BAINSLA BAGPAT (PILANA) FATEH PUR MAJRA BAGPAT (PILANA) GHATOLI BAGPAT (PILANA) HABIB PUR NANGLA BAGPAT (PILANA) HAIRA KHERA BAGPAT (PILANA) KANSA POOTHI KARHANA BAGPAT (PILANA) MAAVI KHURD MAAVI BAGPAT (PILANA) MACHCHADEN CHECHI BAGPAT (PILANA) PATHAULI BAGPAT (PILANA) RAWAT KHERI RAWAT BAGPAT (PILANA) SANKAL POOTHI MAAVI BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha BAGHU NIROJ PUR BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha BAGPAT BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha BHARAR PUR BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha BUDHEDA BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha CHIRCHITA BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha KEDWA KAMAALA KARHANA BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha KONDLI BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha MEHRAM PUR BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha RATAUL BAGPAT(BADOT) ANGA PUR BAGPAT(BADOT) BAOLI BAGPAT(BADOT) DHIKANA BAGPAT(BADOT) GOONGA KHERI BAGPAT(BADOT) KHERI PARDHAN PARDHAN BAGPAT(BADOT) KHOTANA KARHANA BAGPAT(BADOT) RUSTAM PUR BAGPAT(BADOT) SADAK PUR SINOLI BAGPAT(BADOT) SAHAPUR BADOLI DADRI ACHEJA DADRI AKEEL PUR JHANGEER NAGAR DADRI AMINA BAD DADRI ANAND PUR DADRI BADAL PUR NAGAR DADRI BADHPURA NAGAR DADRI BAGH DADRI BAID PURA DADRI BAMBAWAD NAGAR DADRI BEGAM PUR DADRI BEHRAM PUR DADRI BHANOTA DADRI BHOODA VILLAGE DADRI BISHRAKH BHATI DADRI BISNULI BHATI DADRI CHON SIVANA DADRI CHONA BHATI DADRI CHOTI MILK DADRI CHOUGAOUN PUR KHEDA DADRI DAIREN DADRI DAIRY MACHHA DADRI DEVLA DADRI DUJANA NAGAR DADRI GIRDHAR PUR CHANDILA DADRI HABIB PUR DADRI HALDAUNU DADRI IKLA NAGAR DADRI INAYAT PUR NAGAR DADRI ITHERA DADRI JAL PURA DADRI KACHEDA MOUJ PUR BHATI DADRI 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JEVARI MERUT SIWALKHAS JITOLA MERUT SIWALKHAS KAITHWARI MERUT SIWALKHAS KALYAN PUR MERUT SIWALKHAS KARNAWAL MERUT SIWALKHAS KHIWAI MERUT SIWALKHAS KINONI MERUT SIWALKHAS MEER PUR MERUT SIWALKHAS MEHROLI MERUT SIWALKHAS NANU MERUT SIWALKHAS PANCHALI MERUT SIWALKHAS PARTA PUR MERUT SIWALKHAS PATHOLI MERUT SIWALKHAS PURBALIYAN MERUT SIWALKHAS RAJA PUR MERUT SIWALKHAS RASNA MERUT SIWALKHAS RASOOL PUR ZAHID MERUT SIWALKHAS RASUL PUR DHAULDI MERUT SIWALKHAS SIWALKHAS MERUT SIWALKHAS THIRAUT MERUT SIWALKHAS UPLEHDA NOIDA AGGAPUR NOIDA ASGAR PUR NOIDA ATTA AWANA NOIDA BAROLA NOIDA BHANGEL NOIDA BISAN PURA NOIDA CHHALERA NOIDA CHODA NOIDA ELAH BAS NOIDA GADAR PUR NOIDA GEJHHA NOIDA GIJHORE NOIDA HAROLA AWANA NOIDA HAZI PUR NOIDA JHUND PURA NOIDA KONDLY KHADAR NOIDA MAMURA NOIDA MANGROLI NOIDA MOHIYA PUR LOHMOD NOIDA MORNA NOIDA NAYA BASS AWANA NOIDA NITHARI AWANA NOIDA PARTHALA KHANJAR PUR NOIDA RAI PUR NOIDA SAKI PUR NOIDA SALAR PUR NOIDA SILAR PUR NOIDA YAKUB PUR SIKANDRA BAD ANDEL SIKANDRA BAD ASTOLI SIKANDRA BAD AZAM PUR GHARHI SIKANDRA BAD BHATTA SIKANDRA BAD BILAS PUR SIKANDRA BAD CHACHULA SIKANDRA BAD CHAKAR PUR DADRI SIKANDRA BAD CHEETTI SIKANDRA BAD DADDHA SIKANDRA BAD DADU PUR SIKANDRA BAD DUNGAR PUR RELKHA SIKANDRA BAD ECHHER SIKANDRA BAD GHANGHOLA SIKANDRA BAD JAGAN PUR AFJAL PUR SIKANDRA BAD JAHID PUR SIKANDRA BAD JUN PAT SIKANDRA BAD KAAMAL PUR SIKANDRA BAD KAIMRALA SIKANDRA BAD KANARSA SIKANDRA BAD KATHHEDA SIKANDRA BAD KHEDLI BHAV SIKANDRA BAD KHERLI HAFIJ PUR SIKANDRA BAD LUHARLI SIKANDRA BAD MANDAIYA SIKANDRA BAD MOOJA KHEDA SIKANDRA BAD NANVA KA RAJ PUR SIKANDRA BAD NAYA BAS SIKANDRA BAD NORANG PUR DANKAUR SIKANDRA BAD PALLA SIKANDRA BAD PALLI SIKANDRA BAD PEPALKA SIKANDRA BAD RAJ PUR KALAN SIKANDRA BAD RITHHODI SIKANDRA BAD SALEM PUR SIKANDRA BAD SIRSA SIKANDRA BAD THAP KHEDA SIKANDRA BAD TIL BEGAM PUR SIKANDRA BAD TUGAL PUR SIKANDRA BAD DALEL GHAR SIKANDRA BAD ROUNI Village Count by CHANDGI RAM LOHMOD Village GHITORNI NEW DELHI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.162.198 (talk) 10:34, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 March 2012

My research monograph on the Van Gujjars is being published by Walter de Gruyter and I wanted to add to this article. I would be happy however if there was any way a reference to this monograph was made in this article. My mongraph has a substantial chapter on background Gujjar history, Deoband 'school' led islamization, the role of the local NGO, and most importantly the Gujjar responses to Deobandi reforms. Here is the brief abstract:

The religious identity of indegenous Gujjars in the Himilayan region remains largely unexplored. This book argues that their choice to associate with Deobandi Islam occurs in the wider context of conservation debates, local government-led efforts to relocate them from the Rajaji National Park in Uttarakhand, India, and the failure of NGOs to represent their interests. Based on documents and interviews, this detailed work explores both the continuing expansion of Deobandi reform and the responses of the Gujjars. It points toward the role of Islam in integrating marginal groups in South Asia.

Singh, David Emmanuel, Islamization in Modern South Asia: Deobandi Reform and the Gujjar Response (Berlin: Walter de Gruyter; forthcoming in August 2012)

You can see more on my monograph at: http://www.degruyter.com/view/product/183513?onlyResultQuery=gujjars David singh2000 (talk) 15:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Thanks, but that would violate our policy on links to avoid (#6). Celestra (talk) 18:10, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 May 2012

Late Shri. Gajraj Bahadur Nagar (founder Delhi University President, Cabinet Minister in Haryana Govt. in late 1970s and Early 1980s). Prominent Gurjar Leader from Dist. Faridabad, who conducted numerous development projects in the State of Haryana as Cabinet Minister.

Anubhavnaagar (talk) 11:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Not done: I cannot understand what you are saying or what you want to be changed. Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Merger suggestion

I suggest merger of Gurjar with Gujjar. All content in the article needs to be reviewed. Thanks. --= No ||| Illusion = (talk) 03:41, 8 June 2012 (UTC)Mayasutra

Haryana.

The main gotras of Gurjars of Haryana are:Ambavata(1 village in Gurgaon Ullawass and 2nd is Jonapur in Delhi), Chaprana (1 Village Mevla-Maharajpur), Basista/Bosatta (2 villages- Siha & Khatela), Bhadana (14 villages), Tanwar ( villages- Karna, Rampur), Kasana, Mavi (10 Village), Nagar (84 villages), Khatana (village Rithauz and 11 more), Dhakar (7 Village), Baisla (26 village), Phagna (1 Village) and Poswal (3 village), Chhokar 51 village in Panipat Rawal (81 village),Mundan(panwar),Devdhar,Rawat in yamunanagar,ambala disst., Chandila (5 villages)n chechi(25 villages), Chauhans (near Hissar).

= Please post valid stuff only

If gurgoan is not dominated by gujjars then why these area has MLAs and MPs Avatar Singh Bhadana, Krishna Pal Gurjar and In Delhi 4 gujjar MLAs who are gujjars. I request you to brush up your knowledge before you post. I can't say gurgoan is dominated by gujjars but gurgaon,faridabad,ghaziabad, NOIDA, meerut and many areas of delhi are populated by gujjars thats why we have gujjar ministers. Please refer gujjar wikipedia and their population distribution among various states of India . You wouldn't believe but there are 70 villages which are densely populated by only gujjars in Delhi Only.

A man from Matrix (talk) 12:44, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

The numbers in bold may also be incorrect or assumed.My Question and concern is till the time there is no refrence, we should remove numbers in "Bold". Because as far i am correct Wiki doesn't write artices without "credible refrences".

--Rocker2820 (talk) 12:32, 5 September 2012 (UTC)== Edit request on 5 September 2012 ==

there is 1 village of bhati gurjars "HARI NAGAR GAON" in south delhi near delhi(badarpur)-haryana (faridabaad) border after mithapur village and before jaitpur village on the bus route...and very close to Aali gaon,just behind it,seperated by the agra canal...this harinagar village was founded by my forefathers 150-200 years ago... 1.23.147.152 (talk) 11:39, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I removed three unsourcd sections. If I missed others, please post here again. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:28, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Changes in the introductory section

I would like to suggest a few changes in the introductory section of the page, as follows:

• As per my knowledge, gujjar/gurjar is not an etnic group but a caste/clan. Ethnic group is group of people based on culture/region but gujjar is a caste. Some may argue that then how gujjars are found in muslims,hindu and sikhs.It is exactly for the same reason that jats and rajputs are found in hindus as well as sikhs. Please look into the matter.

• And another thing that I think should be changes is the way we introduce the caste in the same paragraph. Writing ,"Today, the Gurjars are classified under the Other Backward Class (OBC) category in some states in India.[2] However, in Jammu and Kashmir and parts of Himachal Pradesh, they are designated as a Scheduled Tribe under the Indian government's reservation program of positive discrimination." is not an appropriate way to do so because in a way, it affects the social image if the people belonging to the caste but not belonging to any such reserved groups. Added to it, it spoils the harmony because this makes the community to be looked at in a very different perspective that is not intended by any article of wikipedia. If the information is that important and has to be shared, then it can be shared at a different position in the article because sharing it here means it is the only important we know about gurjar clan.

I hope the admin(s) of the article will look into the article and do the needful changes. Thanks and keep up the good work! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.161.84.85 (talk) 20:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

On the first point, we use "ethnic group" to mean "any general grouping of people that have been grouped by one society or another". It doesn't specifically mean anything related to religion or culture. The reason we don't use clan/caste is specifically because of that slash: some sources call them a caste, and others a clan, and without knowing which, we can't be more specific. On the second point, the information is verified in a reliable source. Our purpose is not to create harmony--it's to provide reliable information about subjects in a neutral matter. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:56, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I know that Wikipedia is not here to spread harmony. As I said, I am not against sharing of that particular piece of information but what I mean to say is, that information may be verified/correct but that doesn't make it important enough to be the part of introductory paragraph. And since you've mentioned about neutrality, I take this liberty to introduce to you some important points one must never forget about wikipedia, please read about neutral point of view : WP:NPOV , due and undue weight: WP:DUE , WP:WEIGHT , WP:UNDUE. Or you may perhaps, also like to read about article structure here : WP:STRUCTURE .

I am new to wikipedia, but I've gone through many(if not all) guideline articles. I see, you are an experienced contributor, but I've a lot of knowledge about Indian history and culture and want to contribute. If you don't agree with me, then we can definitely have a discussion here to reach a consensus. Stating that this article is neutral won't help because this article need to be edited to make it neutral as per wiki standards. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.98.77.142 (talk) 21:29, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, if the point is to keep it but move it out of the lead, I could see that as being reasonable. Do you think we should make a new subsection in History (something like "Present"), or add it to the beginning of the India section? Qwyrxian (talk) 01:41, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Leads are supposed to summarise the article but I think this OBC/ST etc stuff is somewhat toxic if placed there. Not as toxic as varna, for which there is consensus to exclude, but sufficiently so that it can be left in the article body unless there is an extremely good cause for highlighting it (eg: if there is a campaign by the group to have themselves reclassified - there have been at least 1200 of these). - Sitush (talk) 14:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

It can be a good idea to place it in the India section. I see that otherwise also this information has been included under different states. So, implicitly this information is being delivered to the readers. If in case, it is to be done explicitly as well, then we can do so in the end of Indian section and but that would make the article redundant be because as for eg.: Himachal Pradesh

As of 2001, the Gurjars in parts of Himachal Pradesh were classified as a Scheduled Tribe.. What do you suggest? Lets remove it from the intro part and let it be under different states info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.98.241.114 (talk) 17:34, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and moved it from the lead into the India section, but I don't mind if someone wants to further modify it. The Times article is behind a paywall, so I can't see it. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:29, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Gurjara

I may be wrong about this but isn't Gurjara the more common spelling? It is certainly the more correct, going by Devanagari transliteration. Why isn't this article named Gurjara instead? Morinae (talk) 11:19, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

There are all sorts of spellings, eg: Gujjar is another. You'd have to provide some evidence for a name change - my gut instinct is that Gurjar is by far the most common in English-language academic usage, beyond which I rarely look. - Sitush (talk) 11:33, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Talk page behaviour

• Please do not use CAPITAL LETTERS unnecessarily in your messages. It is considered to be shouting.
• When making statements, please do provide reliable sources to support your claim, and note that the ethnographies produced during the British Raj period are not reliable. If you cannot provide a source then there is no point raising a dispute regarding a factual statement.
• Please try to avoid terms such as "idiot" and avoid denigrating other communities. Neither are conducive to collegial development of the article - and that is what Wikipedia is all about.

Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 17:26, 13 December 2013 (UTC)