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Archived talk page, created new article for the Letters[edit]

Discussions up to now were outdated and have been archived. I have moved some material in this article to a new article, Letters of Abelard and Heloise. Thiagovscoelho (talk) 20:41, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Heloise[edit]

This seems to have been a misapplication by a single editor of WP:FRMOS. This was a medieval figure and there were no diacritics in her name to respect. There's no more connection to these dots and slashes than to Eloise or Elizabeth and less connection to them than to Heloisa, not that we should use that either. There's no actual reason not to apply the WP:COMMON WP:ENGLISH name to this major historical figure. That name is Heloise, just like we have "Roma" at Rome, "Adélaïde d'Aquitaine" at Adelaide of Aquitaine, and—most obviously and damningly—"Pierre Abélard" at Peter Abelard. The only things using this name accomplishes is forcing the vast majority of users to come via the redirect of the name they actually use and creating a mistaken sense of modernity and foreignness to the figure.

No, this isn't a close call. Heloise is vastly more common in standard and scholarly English. Yes, the previous move was a mistaken WP:LOCALCONSENSUS of one editor without discussion and based on misapplication of policy. Yes, the page should be moved to its overwhelmingly more common English form, just like Abelard. — LlywelynII 01:12, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sex Work[edit]

Really? She says 'I'd prefer to be your mistress', and sure, 'I'd like to be your whore', but that really doesn't equal 'I'd like to be a prostitute', and I can't see any 'honesty about sex work [sic]'. I spy a rather right-on anachronism?Katiehawks (talk) 16:21, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]