Talk:Hell's Bells: The Dangers of Rock 'N' Roll

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Backmasking?[edit]

The writeup says that they talk about backmasking, but even calling it that implies an intention that is still in dispute. E.g. the Wikipedia definition of backmasking says "Backmasking is a deliberate process, whereas a message found through phonetic reversal may be unintentional". The documentary talks about hidden audible messages but to call them backmasking means a deliberate process which is (seemingly) in dispute because the artists deny it. It's probably better to call this "perceived hidden messages in songs" or something more neutral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.78.240.7 (talk) 02:53, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Most Christian commentators on the evils of Roc music will maintain that the backmasking is deliberate either through the artists or Satan's intervention. There were "ex witches" making claims that they were employed by studios to curse master tapes and place devious incantations into recordings. They did not believe them to be unintentional phonetic reversals, and if you listen to some of these people giving examples you will see they actually avoid discussing what some words would sound like if transcribed phonetically in reverse. The article is referring to Christian Fundamentalist claims, not scientifically verified fact. Czarnibog (talk) 17:25, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Conventional Christian View[edit]

The text "Its views do not represent the conventional Christian view on metal music." should not be there. Clearly the author enjoys Christian metal music (there was previously a link to 'List of Christian Metal Bands') and is trying to make this video look like it espouses a fringe view, but since the video is about secular bands and does not focus on Christian bands, it is irrelevant.

Not only that, it is inaccurate. The 'conventional' view among many Christians is certainly anti-metal (secular or no). That view may have changed over the past 30 years, but in that case, a pro-metal view is unconventional.

It would be better (if one is really that worried that somebody is going to be misled about the nature of Christian perspectives on music) to have a few sentences explaining that although this video represents a portion of the Christian viewpoint on music, there are many other views as reflected by a thriving Christian metal scene. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.251.177.152 (talk) 15:08, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, but just when has "miscegenation" been contrary to "Biblical theology?" Only racialists and their mirror reflection liberals believe this. Most religions forbid "mixed marriages" within the context of marrying someone of another religion. Marrying someone of another ethnic group but of the same religion is not a "mixed marriage" to anyone but the two above mentioned groups.

The Torah does indeed forbid Jews to marry non-Jews (this is the point seized on by the so-called "identity movement" and just plain old fashioned segregationists to excuse their views), but there are many ethnic sub-groups of Jews--'Ashkenazim, Sefaradim, Mizrachim, Temanim, Bukharins, etc.) who nevertheless are all Jews and who may all intermarry without violating the commandment. Unless the book that is the subject of this article actually does claim that the Bible "forbids 'race-mixing'" or some such thing, then I suggest that the attribution of this position to "Biblical theology" be deleted. 74.226.91.175 (talk) 21:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

AC/DC[edit]

This movie seems to obviously be named after the AC/DC song, but is there real proof? -ThighFish