Talk:Jaime Jaquez Jr.

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Mexican[edit]

There seems to be back and forth about including "Mexican" in the lead sentence. What are the reasons to include/exclude? —Bagumba (talk) 11:47, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No reason to exclude. It should be included because it is part of his identity, which Jaime Jaquez, Jr. proudly proclaims. [redacted IP] 02:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Exclude. He may identify with his Mexican heritage, but identity issues do not belong in the lead. They should go in his Personal Life section. The fact is that Jaime is American by birth and citizenship, both of his parents are American by birth and citizenship, his mother and her parents are American of Norwegian descent, and it's only his father's parents that are from Mexico. So he is a third-generation descendant on one side of Mexican persons. Jaime is American, his parents are American, and he is ancestrally half Mexican and half Norwegian. Since convoluted ethnic descriptions like that do not belong in the lead, it's best to just leave it at "American", which reflects his place of birth and citizenship. Besides, if you go back several generations, we're all descended from immigrants here, unless we're 100% Native American. Succubus MacAstaroth (talk) 06:07, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More than Mexican heritage, he's a dual citizen of the US and Mexico, and has played on the Mexican national team. —Bagumba (talk) 07:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The dual citizenship is news to me. In that case, I'm in favor of putting whatever is standard Wikipedia practice for naturalized/hereditary dual citizens. Succubus MacAstaroth (talk) 23:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Name pronunciation[edit]

Prior to a June 23 edit, the listed pronunciation was /ˈhaɪmeɪ ˈhɑːkɛz/, HY-may HAH-kez. It was then edited to be /ˈhaɪmɛˈhɑːkɛz/, HY-meh HAH-kez because "Converting Spanish e̞ into English eɪ adds an ɪ sound that's not there."

The official NBA Pronunciation Guide says to pronounce it HY-may HAH-kez. Even if spanish transliteration says otherwise, I'll edit the article to how he pronounces his name. Jklaus123 (talk) 16:40, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NBA.com is not a valid source for pronunciation of Spanish names, and as a native Spanish speaker I can confirm it is wrong. As conclusive evidence I added two video citations of Jaquez pronouncing his own name, which should be the final authority on how his name is pronounced, as the NBA does not get to decide how his name is pronounced. He pronounces it HY-meh, not HY-may. Hopefully the matter is resolved now. Succubus MacAstaroth (talk) 08:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dual citizenship[edit]

@Tqom000000000: You've twice removed that Jaquez is a dual-citizen, both times claiming that it was not cited. However, the existing citation to GQ reads:

As a teenager, you played for Mexico’s national team as a Mexican-American dual citizen.[1]

Moreover, you added WP:OR text claiming that he instead played for Mexico via a grandfather rule.[2] However, FIBA requires players on national teams to be citizens:

In order to play for the national team of a country, a player must hold the legal nationality of that country and have fulfilled also the conditions of eligibility and national status according to the Internal Regulations. (FIBA Internal Regulations, p. 5)

—Bagumba (talk) 05:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]