Talk:Jay Shetty

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Sources[edit]

Here are some articles that support notability:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/ng-interactive/2024/feb/29/jay-shetty-self-help-empire — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.6.11 (talk) 00:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

-- John Broughton (♫♫) 23:12, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Jay Shetty is a public speaker who gives motivational speeches to several corporate, educational and charity institutions.He lives in London,work for Accenture company as Digital Strategy, Innovation & Social Branding + Meditation/Lifestyle Coach.He is an active member of his local temple and organizes festivals attended by over 60,000 people.He also coaches corporate individuals in mindfulness and was invited to coach 1000 consultants at Twickenham Rugby Stadium in 2014.He had organised food distribution programs and Sewa Day initiatives[1].

References

  1. ^ "Jay Shetty | Asian Professional Awards". www.theprofessionalawards.com. Retrieved 2016-03-31.

Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2019[edit]

Add section for showing the recent allegations on plagiarism.

Plagiarism Allegations
On August 22, 2019, Comedian Nicole Arbour posted a video alleging Shetty had plagiarized much of his most famous material. [1] In some cases, the video alleges the plagiarism is verbatim. Dr4g0n9 (talk) 16:41, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done ​We never cite self-published sources for negative material in a biography of a living person. Only if multiple reliable secondary sources discuss something in depth do we add it in. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:00, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rduBuR9SY8

I have added this section in at this point as the allegations are serious and thoroughly presented enough to be published on this page. A secondary source has been added and it is worth noting that the allegations are made by another prominent public figure who themselves have a verified wikipedia page. gj1 (talk) 13:45, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2019[edit]

Change lead sentence to "Jay Shetty is a Indian British Internet personality, story teller, and motivational speaker". What exactly is an "influencer"? At best this is so vague that it is meaningless. The source describes him as a "storyteller", which makes a lot more sense. Thanks. 75.191.40.148 (talk) 20:02, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done ~Kvng (talk) 13:06, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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"Criticism" section[edit]

Citing a YouTube video is not allowed per WP:RS - it's not a reliable source (it's self published). On the other hand, News18 seems acceptable (reliable) to me (if it's not, please post reasons in this talk section, so I've left information from that source in the article. (A link to the YouTube video can be found in the news article, which is how readers can find that video - the value/reliability of that video is thus not endorsed by Wikipedia.

Also, I've removed the separate section heading, since that seems excessive to me. If there were two or three different people criticizing Shetty, then perhaps a separate section would be merited, but at the moment we have only a single reliable source; that doesn't justify a section heading.

Finally, wording in a Wikipedia article that comes from a source should be a fair representation of what's in that source - avoiding excessive length. I think the length in the current article - from the News18 source - is about right, but the wording might be improved. Please feel free to change it, and if there is disagreement, this Talk page is the right place to discuss what wording is (hopefully) acceptable to everyone. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:16, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

with the addition of the Guardian article, I would expect a "Controversy" or "Criticism" section to be completely justified at this point. 70.117.5.67 (talk) 19:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits[edit]

Reverted recent changes, I agree that this is minor internet drama, as mentioned by @Þjarkur: “Appears to not have been mentioned in multiple reliable sources. Minor internet drama and accusations should not be included unless it can be shown that its impact was significant” --James127x (talk) 02:01, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

James127x has attempted to remove this section twice. These have been reverted by Viewmont Viking and GorillaWarfare. I support these actions. Per John Broughton's notes above and edit comments, sourcing seems adequate and topic merits mention. There appears to be consensus to retain this section. ~Kvng (talk) 14:15, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A single sentence doesn't deserve to have a separate section heading; when it does, that's a WP:UNDUE problem. I've moved the sentence in question into the "Career" section. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:02, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Former monk[edit]

In the Early life section we say He spent four summers in India interning at corporations and training with a Vedic monk. A 2018 source supports this. A recent edit and 2019 citation now claim that he's a former monk. The new source indicates he spent 3 years as a monk. It looks like his history is being reworked. Comments? ~Kvng (talk) 14:19, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He used to live as a brahmacari at Bhaktivedanta Manor, so is a former Hare Krishna monk himself, yes. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 10:51, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dāsānudāsa: this claim is not in the article. Do you have a citation? I've reviewed the 2019 citation and I see now that the text of the article is careful not to claim Shetty was a monk. Instead it uses phrases like, "pursuing a life as a monk", "living as a monk". The headlines are different. Headlines are often written by someone other than the reporter. I have removed the former monk designation. ~Kvng (talk) 03:24, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Kvng: I'm speaking from personal experience (I knew him), which I know isn't much good for Wikipedia. Let me have a root around. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 08:48, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Here are a few references to Shetty (whose spiritual name is Ghanashyam Priya das) living as a monk at Bhaktivedanta Manor: [1], [2], [3], [4] (you need to search "Ghanashyam" in the Issuu doc) Dāsānudāsa (talk) 08:56, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dāsānudāsa: how do you suggest this information be presented in the article? There is currently no mention of Bhaktivedanta Manor in the article. It is not appropriate to call him a former monk in the lead without something to back it up in the body of the article. ~Kvng (talk) 13:23, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree we don't have a source for "former monk". How about "Shetty, whose spiritual name is Ghanashyam Priya Das, spent time as a brahmacari, or celibate monk, at Bhaktivedanta Manor, an ISKCON temple in Hertfordshire.” I think that's supported by the refs I've given. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 14:33, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The sources you've cited are not WP:RS so what you propose would arguably be WP:OR or WP:SYNTH. Are there any WP:SECONDARY sources that discuss his time at Bhaktivedanta Manor. ~Kvng (talk) 16:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think the Manor's own website is certainly a reliable source, as is the ISKCON website and the magazine. I don't know why there would be secondary sources about someone fairly insignificant (at that time). I don't have secondary sources about what I got up to in my early 20s. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 09:29, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Manor's own website is not WP:INDEPENDENT therefore not WP:RELIABLE. What we're looking for is an independent journalist or biographer who has reported on this portion of Shetty's life. If we can't find that, we don't try to put it together ourselves: WP:OR. ~Kvng (talk) 14:29, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's independent from Shetty. It's not a self-published account of his life. There aren't going to be any newspapers or biographers reporting on Shetty's early 20s, for the reason I mentioned above (he simply wasn't famous then). So I guess if anyone wants to find out what he got up to pre-notability they'll just have to come to this talk page. Sorry, readers. Hope you find your way here! Dāsānudāsa (talk) 11:30, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
He's famous now and his backstory is integral to his fame. People will be interested in the details so it will be written about. Set up a Google alert for it and have patience. ~Kvng (talk) 13:05, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dāsānudāsa I agree with @Kvng. The source from Bhaktivedanta Manor's website is not WP:INDY. An independent source is a source that cannot have direct influence with the subjects involved. The manor is very closely tied to Jay Shetty.
~Coffeeking123 Coffeeking123 (talk) 23:49, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. But do we have anything independent yet? Dāsānudāsa (talk) 08:37, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dāsānudāsa I don't think we have an independent source. We will have to keep searching.
~ Coffeeking123 (talk) 17:36, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.bhaktivedantamanor.co.uk/home/?p=10905 1
  2. ^ http://iskconuk.com/?p=657 2
  3. ^ https://iskcondesiretree.com/profiles/blogs/young-professional-serves-up-gita-wisdom 3
  4. ^ https://issuu.com/bhaktivedantamanor/docs/february-2013-web 4

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Tags[edit]

MrEarlGray has added {{Fanpov}} and {{Like resume}} tags. Can you please elaborate here on the specifics of these issues. I've been watching this for a while now and have seen crap injected but I and others have reverted or reworked it and, for what it is, the article appears to me to be in pretty good shape right now. ~Kvng (talk) 15:26, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for requesting more information. The article is in much better shape and the group efforts should be applauded. I've added these tags for a small handful of reasons. Firstly, do we have any proof Shetty was a former monk reported from anyone other than Shetty himself? There are no sources from official religious organisations backing this up, but there are many from Vox Pop magazines which are promoting his business and branding. Given the man is clearly an expert marketer and self-brander, we should be wary of falling afoul of any peacocking. On the issue of fan's pov: the article now reads like a CV of collaborations, rather than truly notable achievements. There is also a lack of balance: he was found to be plagiarising an enormous amount of content, which although noted, fails to mention anything of substance or the articles written by those plagiarised. Ultimately, given the teachings of Buddha likely do not encourage one to pursue after fame, caption for click bait, sell thousand dollar courses or claim credits from others work, I'm raising an eyebrow at some of the content here. MrEarlGray (talk) 13:26, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Shetty is not a former monk. There is no such claim in the body and I have now removed it (again) from the lead. The discussion of plagiarism was originally much larger but has been whittled over time. Other positive coverage has also been whittled. I think the best thing we can do in the presence of ongoing pressure to glamorize this subject is to keep the article short. ~Kvng (talk) 22:25, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MrEarlGray On the topic of the fan's point of view, I believe the article should include the collaborations that Jay Shetty has done. The collaborations inserted in the article to provide the Wiki Reader with background on Shetty's podcast. Another mention of Ariana Huffington is to provide the wiki reader of a detailed journey of Shetty's career. Deleting those details would go against WP:PROPORTION, WP:MAJORASPECT, WP:NPOV. Coffeeking123 (talk) 23:55, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MrEarlGray I also agree that the plagiarism controversy should be mentioned within the article. Given that it is a minor controversy and not an official lawsuit, or copyright accusation, the current brief description on the page gives due weight to the topic. refer to WP:WEIGHT Coffeeking123 (talk) 23:58, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bold edit[edit]

MainlyTwelve has made some bold edits. Most significant is trimming and dropping some arguable WP:REFBOMBING from the lead. I'm not opposed to these changes because we want the lead to be a summary of cited material in the body. The cut back lead could now be built back up a bit and the removed references may be useful for development elsewhere in the article. Here are the goods. ~Kvng (talk) 14:48, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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