Talk:Jewish Christianity

Question about Reference Note #139 re: Judaic Christianity

Hi all, I'm new here so if I'm not following protocol feel free to correct me. That said, as I was browsing this article I noticed that Reference 139 (Bar Ilan, Y. Judaic Christianity: Extinct or Evolved?. pp. 297–315) doesn't appear to be listed anywhere online. I tried Google and WorldCat and turned up nothing with that exact title, and no reference to the author (most of the Google searches turned up the University of Bar-Ilan, but no author by that last name). I looked in WorldCat for both journal articles and book titles. I'm not a research/library scientist, but does anyone with better chops have a way to verify this is a source that actually exists? (Admittedly mostly because I want to read it, but I imagine it would also be helpful to change the material if the source it's cited in is untraceable) Zev Eleos (talk) 23:46, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm having the same experience! From what I can tell it was added by user @Antiochian.john over a decade ago. If it does exist it's a non-english text. Fraassenite (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

SAME PROBLEM WITH reference 131 - not listed in sources or anywhere else I could find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.156.132.189 (talk) 19:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

"blended his teachings into the Jewish faith"?

In the beginning of the article, it is stated... "These Jews believed Jesus to be the prophesied Messiah, and blended his teachings into the Jewish faith, including the observance of the Jewish law."

What do you mean "blended his teachings"? First of all, what, specifically, are "His" teachings that were not Jewish/Judean/Judaic in origin? And I'm not saying that because he is a Jew; what I am asking is which of His teachings were not known or not practiced before Him in Judea? That's one. Two - which teaching "of His" was "blended", and "blended" into what and in which way exactly? That's two. Three, whoever wrote this needs to stop spreading misinformation!

I'm not even going to continue reading the rest of the article. This info is trash with dangerous consequences! 2600:4040:9838:E600:501D:9A77:6763:367 (talk) 02:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I think that was some poor paraphrasing of "blending" in another context in the body. It's gone. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Should there be a separate article for the splitting of Christianity from Judaism?

I'm surprised it doesn't exist. Has this been considered and rejected before? Would there be opposition to the creation of this article? Zanahary (talk) 08:30, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

I think it is a notable enough theme, and that Wikipedia should have a separate article on it. Thank you, warshy ^(¥¥) 18:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

It is done, and could use help! Zanahary (talk) 06:43, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 12 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. – robertsky (talk) 00:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

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Jewish Christian → Jewish Christianity – Jewish Christian is awkward, and is definitely not standard; I'm assuming that won't be controversial. I think Jewish Christianity is preferable as a title to Jewish Christians (note plural) because the scope of this article is the religious movement/phenomenon of Jewish Christianity, not the persons who fall into the category of Jewish Christians. Zanahary (talk) 07:45, 12 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:39, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Jewish Christians sounds like the right title to me. Srnec (talk) 21:42, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

  Why do you prefer it to Jewish Christianity? Zanahary (talk) 23:31, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

  Frankly, I cannot tell from any of the titles discussed that this article is about the ancient phenomenon rather than Messianic Judaism or the Hebrew Christian movement. Srnec (talk) 21:23, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support - While I appreciate the notion of noting the difference between describing an identifiable group of people (early Jewish followers of Jesus Christ and his disciples) from the idea of a "system" ("Christianity" as such), I think that, given how the term "Jewish Christianity" is used without much second thought throughout the article itself and the sources, that "Jewish Christianity" is both the WP:COMMONNAME and simply the expected, encyclopedic title. Garnet Moss (talk) 03:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
• Prefer something like Jewish Christianity (1st to 5th centuries AD) to make it clear. Hyperbolick (talk) 19:56, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  I worry that that title would imply that there is later incidence of such a "Jewish Christianity" that is continuous with true Jewish Christianity, when in fact they're completely separate phenomena Zanahary (talk) 07:44, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

  A title with dates would seem to indicate more clearly that there is no continuity betwen ancient and modern Jewish Christianity. Srnec (talk) 21:23, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Religion has been notified of this discussion. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:39, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. SnowFire (talk) 17:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.