Talk:Joji (musician)/Archive 1

Requested move 12 January 2017

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The result of the move request was: On second thought, I'll be bold and move this (non-admin closure) Laurdecl ^talk 00:55, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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Pink Guy → Filthy Frank – "Pink Guy" is a character in Joji's show. I'm surprised this was recreated by an admin, especially after the twenty or so deletions but this title was originally used to bypass the salt on Filthy Frank. If this is going to be a page it should be Filthy Frank per WP:COMMONNAME. Also, he goes by on Twitter and Facebook as Filthy Frank. Laurdecl ^talk 23:56, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

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Social media links

@Laurdecl:: twice now you've reverted my removal of his social media links. I cited a clear policy reason in my edit summary the first time I removed them. You reverted this, with the edit summary "Readded external links removed without reason". I removed them once more, restating that they were removed per WP:ELNO. You've now restored them yet again, despite my request that you take it to the talk page rather than WP:Edit warring like this. Your latest summary is "Readded external links - WP:ELNO does not pertain to official pages. It states this in the policy, also in WP:ELOFFICIAL. These links are even more appropriate considering his profession as an online entertainer" WP:ELOFFICIAL talks about a subject's official page. His official page is his YouTube channel. How is his Twitter page also his official page? Wikishovel (talk) 04:40, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

And now you've accused me of sticking vandalism templates on (your) page. I gave you my reason in the edit summary. It's not my fault if you don't understand WP:ELNO., when I politely warned you about WP:3RR. What's up with this? Wikishovel (talk) 04:42, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

@Wikishovel: WP:ELNO: "Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject". WP:ELOFFICIAL: "The linked content is controlled by the subject (organization or individual person) of the Wikipedia article". The links are both Miller's official pages and are both controlled by him. I've seen plenty of other articles which are like this. I apologize if I came across as hostile, it really wasn't my intention. Laurdecl ^talk 04:46, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, apology accepted. I'm trying to understand your argument. Isn't everyone's personal Twitter and Facebook page also their official page then? So under what circumstances does WP:ELNO (#10) apply? Wikishovel (talk) 04:48, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

@Wikishovel: Admittedly, this confused me as well but it appears WP:ELNO is for unofficial social media links, unrelated to the article's subject, although why anyone would put them on a page is beyond me. Laurdecl ^talk 04:51, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Where did you read that WP:ELNO is for unofficial social media links? Wikishovel (talk) 04:53, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

@Wikishovel: The lead of ELNO reads: "Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject one should generally avoid providing external links to:" so I'm inferring that social media links are prohibited when they are not referring to the official page of the subject. Laurdecl ^talk 05:32, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, I've tried my best here. Next step is dispute resolution. Wikishovel (talk) 09:08, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Somewhat related to this, I have inserted the official Youtube channel as the subject's 'official website'. That site is what the subject is mainly known by, and what the article is considering to be on of the main reasons for the subject's notability ("He is best known for his absurdist YouTube channel, TVFilthyFrank, which ..."). I therefore think that this is the subject's main web presence. All other social networking sites are from there superfluous, the subject is not known specifically by them (see WP:ELMINOFFICIAL). --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 04:59, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Removal of The Diamondback?

Why was the source and related info from The Diamondback removed? I was under the influence that since it is an award-winning student newspaper, of which notable journalists have written for, that this would do as a reliable reference? Can you please explain. SilentDan (talk) 19:23, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't think student newspapers can be considered reliable. While student newspapers have editorial control (The Diamondback has editors.), writers and editors are students, not professionals. Student newspaper staff constantly changes and is of unknown experience and editorial practice. — JJMC89 (T·C) 22:43, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Concerns about the page's notability

I'm sure this was going to come up at some point, but this page has been created and deleted before as Joji Miller, and was deleted via the discussion shown here. Should this page be deleted because of this or is there another discussion that I am missing? --PootisHeavy (talk) 20:43, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

The article was (re)created by Ritchie333 on January 14. It was tagged for speedy deletion per WP:G4, but the tag was removed. Deleted/redirected articles can be (re)created if the concerns discussed in the AfD are no longer relevant or have been addressed. If you take a look at User talk:Ritchie333#Regarding speedy deletion of Pink Guy and User talk:Ritchie333#Speedy deletion nomination of Filthy Frank, this does seem to be the case. Maybe it would be helpful to add an {{Article history}} template to top of this talk page to make it easier this to be see, but not sure if that's commonly done for recreated articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:04, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

The deletion discussion happened 6 months before Filthy Frank had a top 100 chart hit and met the notability guidelines for musicians. Also, I purposefully recreated the article as a short stub using two sources, so it would unambiguously not meet the criteria for WP:CSD#G4, which is "substantially the same as what was deleted". If you want to challenge the notability, I think a second AfD would be required. If it would help, I can histmerge the previously deleted edits so you can see the full history. It would have the added advantage of not getting "a link has been made from 'x' to Filthy Frank" notifications, as frankly I don't really know this guy from a hole in a ground other than that chart hit. Still, stranger things have happened like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Zuckerberg. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2017 January 18#File:TVFilthyFrank-ChannelArt.jpg

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2017 January 18#File:TVFilthyFrank-ChannelArt.jpg. Marchjuly (talk) 00:31, 18 January 2017 (UTC) -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:31, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

US or UK English

I've started seeing edits that change certain words and formats from one to the other. Since Miller has never really done anything in regards to the UK, I believe the article should be US-English from now on. SilentDan (talk) 20:34, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect. I've templated it for Australian English per MOS:TIES. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:44, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough, I forgot that was an option aha. SilentDan (talk) 21:53, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Meh, I'm not particularly fussed. He 'raps' with an American accent (but, then, so do a lot of other artists... including those for whom English isn't even their native language). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:30, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Billboard Viral 50?

I was only just made aware this chart existed on Billboard, and Miller has 12 entries on it apparently. Should this be added to the discography?

Link in question; http://www.billboard.com/artist/7655532/pink-guy/chart?f=2206

Let me know what you think. SilentDan (talk) 02:05, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Since it is Spotify Viral 50, no per WP:SINGLEVENDOR. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:27, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Cutting down to the most relevant stuff

I think it is worth cutting down the Life and career section significantly, perhaps merging its two sub-sections, YouTube and Music. The descriptions of his channel, videos and characters could probably be largely classified as original research, which is worrying. I'd like to gather further opinions here, but it seems like we're gonna have to be very careful about what gets included in this article in order to keep it totally factual and verifiable. -- Pingumeister^(talk) 00:57, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Yea, OR is a concern and trimming would help. New editors are consistently adding un(reliably) sourced information (most likely OR) to the article. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:57, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

If this was recreated...

why is Longcat still perma-salted? KATMAKROFAN (talk) 23:59, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Renaming the Page: George "Joji" Miller

As a biographical article about George Miller, the content of the page lists other artistic works and fabrefactions that George has created, including his serious musical work under the pseudonym; "Joji", that he has specified was to remain separate from, and unrelated to, 'the Filthy Frank Show'.[1] The article continues on, as a biography of George Miller, not the character he's created; Filthy Frank. (In it's current state, this would be like naming a biographical article on George Lucas after 'Han Solo', a character from Star Wars, only one of the many creations of George Lucas.)

Shouldn't the name of the article be the name of the person who has created the works described in the page? Instead of "Filthy Frank", I would like to propose that the page be called George "Joji" Miller instead.

((As for the more specific history of the show, "Filthy Frank", (including any canonical history, biographies of characters, and miscellaneous information,) I believe a stand-alone page would be more appropriate.))

[1] The proclamation was temporarily made on George Miller's personal media accounts including Twitter and Instagram, before being moved to George's accounts he created for the character, Filthy Frank. With some searching, the Tweets can be found on 'Filthy Frank's twitter page.*

Raptor XIV (talk) 15:48, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

See WP:COMMONNAME and WP:RM. — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:23, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2017

Changing the subscriber count to 6.5 Million (Combined) Blod722 (talk) 18:29, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:31, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Addressing the release of "Francis of the Filth" book

I think it would be informative if somebody here were to write a paragraph on George Miller's new novel "Francis of the Filth" and the success it's had in it's limited time of release (as of 28-9-2017, 20:40 amsterdam time, no hardcovers are available on amazon.de) Maybe it's good to add a "bibliography" too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.166.200.185 (talk) 18:42, 28 September 2017‎ (UTC)

Moving the page

Since George is focusing on his music career, I suggest renaming this page to Joji, and redirect there from Filthy Frank. WolfmanFP (talk) 18:10, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm down for this, You could probably use George Miller or Joji as the page title. This is a bit of a strange article since it's centered around their YouTube channel (YouTube personality Infobox), whereas the media shift is heading towards Music (musical artist Infobox). So if I was to make a comparison, I could refer to Childish Gambino, which is redirection to his real name Donald Glover. 2620:B8:4000:1000:0:0:98:1 (talk) 06:33, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I completely agree given the number of sources focussing on George Miller the artist, rather than the YouTube entertainer. -- Pingumeister^(talk) 02:34, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 4 December 2017

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed. This is a pickle. There is a clear consensus in support of moving the article away from the "Filthy Frank" title, with six out of eight participants supporting some kind of move (and a seventh not opposed to a move, though opposed to the proposed target). Of the options presented, none gets overwhelming support, but the proposed target gets more specific support than any other target, and the arguments support the contention that the subject's use of different stage names is diverse enough that the most effective title is the subject's real name. Note that the subject's own preference in the matter is accorded little weight, absent evidence of that preference having generally become the subject's common name. bd2412 T 02:32, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Filthy Frank → George Miller (entertainer) – Miller is focusing more on music at the moment and his music has been receiving more media attention than anything else he's been doing. I suggest "George Miller (entertainer)" as the situation here is similar to that of KSI (entertainer) (began as YouTuber and comedian, transitioned to rapper, but still does all of the above). "Filthy Frank" does not fit as the article title anymore. Aria1561 (talk) 00:09, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose (entertainer) an entertainer is a music hall act of the Bruce Forsythe variety. George Miller (YouTuber) would be better if needed. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:06, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

  The reason why I initiated the move discussion in the first place was because his activities outside of YouTube are gaining more traction. "George Miller (YouTuber)" is no different from "Filthy Frank". Aria1561 (talk) 23:14, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

• Support (entertainer). An entertainer is a person who does more than one kind of entertainment. Apt analogy to KSI (entertainer). Dohn joe (talk) 17:48, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose (George Miller) He is currently using the name Joji for his music and it is the name the media has been referring to him as. People would more than likely be looking up Joji rather than George Miller. 24.138.37.196 (talk) 22:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

  It's perfectly fine to use George Miller (entertainer) and redirect Joji there. Same thing is done with Donald Glover and his Childish Gambino musical pseudonym. We shouldn't really use "Joji" as the article title since his Filthy Frank YouTube channel is still quite popular. Aria1561 (talk) 04:19, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

• Support (Joji) as that is the name he commonly goes by. --SilentDan (talk) 11:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
• Support (entertainer) Miller makes sure Joji does not get melded with personas like Filthy Frank and Pink Guy as Joji is the embodiment of his true form. He specifies this difference in a Billboard interview. "Singer/Producer Joji on His Career Flip From Crude Viral Comedy to Understated R&B: 'Now I Get to Do Stuff That I Want to Hear'". Billboard. Retrieved 8 December 2017. However, we are talking about the person in question and his career which, at the moment, has now evolved into three different monikers as both a musician and a YouTube personality. It would be reasonable to rename the article George Miller rather than Filthy Frank or Joji as there are distinctions between them. --Fernandillo1 (talk) 9:24, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. I don't see any actual mainstream success as a musician here yet. Correct me if I'm wrong, but his albums charted on Billboard only because they went viral on sites like Reddit.
  In particular, his works as Pink Guy are relevant only in the context of his YouTube image as Filthy Frank.
  Watch these music videos on YouTube and decide for yourself:
  • Pink Guy – "STFU"
  • Pink Guy – "STFU" (TastyTreat Remix)
  • Joji – "Will He". --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:17, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
• Support as he is known under multiple different names (i.e. Filthy Frank, Pink Guy, and Joji) and it seems wrong to me to single out any specific one, as he is well known under all of them. In addition, Filthy Frank is less him and more a character he plays. It's no effort at all to have those alternate names as redirects either, and as Aria1561 says, there is already precedent for other people with alternate names for various professional areas. DinoD123 (talk) 09:24, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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The order of content: Music > YouTube

Since Joji no longer has any interest in making YouTube videos and now has his priorities in music instead, shouldn't information regarding his musical career come above his works on YouTube? It's something that makes sense to me since he has been making strides in the music industry so new readers will probably be here to read up on his musical career, less so about his Filthy Frank persona. - SilentDan (talk) 08:23, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Reliable evidence that the Francis of the Filth book exists?

Currently, the only source for the release of the Francis of the Filth book is Miller's video announcing it, which is not a good source since it could easily be a joke, by itself; I tried adding the Amazon listing, but JJMC89 (talk · contribs) removed it because it is a commercial link. However, I see no other way of providing evidence that the book is real and purchasable. I cannot find journalistic articles about the book, only user reviews on websites such as Goodreads [1]. I think documenting Miller's ventures into other arts, e.g. writing, is important. Any advice? -- Pingumeister^(talk) 10:51, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

The book verifies its own existence and doesn't need a citation. If there aren't any third-parties writing about it, then it should be omitted from the article. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:16, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

It only 'verifies its own existence' if third parties write about it, so really, it does need a citation. The problem is, the third parties seem to be only minor publications, blogs, etc. -- Pingumeister^(talk) 23:50, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

No, a book itself (physical medium) always verifies its own existence. ISBN 9781387159505 and OCLC 1005963586 are also sufficient to verify existence. Given that it was self-published and there isn't reliable independent third-party coverage, it really should be omitted. Anyone can pay to have their own work published. — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:42, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I see your point with the ISBN. However I really don't think it should be omitted, since it's Miller's first foray into a new medium. Perhaps leaving it as a single sentence is fine. -- Pingumeister^(talk) 00:54, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Name change to Joji

What necessarily would it take for a name change to Joji instead of staying as "George Miller." It's pretty much definite at this point that Miller has tried extremely to distance himself from his past on Youtube and adopts the Joji moniker entirely professionally and as an public image. Especially as theres literally NOTHING in his entertainment career section as compared to his music career. It may be notable but it hasn't defined him since, that's like titling Drake's page "Aubrey Graham (entertainer)" because he acted in Degrasse which was a huge 4 year long venture. CoughingCookieHeart (talk) 02:01, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

While it may be his current (and possibly very long term) project, Joji is not the largest part of Miller's varied life and career. I disagree that the article's title should be defined by the choices of the article's subject. It should be chosen appropriately based on the subject's life as viewed objectively. Miller has gone by many aliases, and has only very recently dropped some of the names he held for the longest time. It is therefore appropriate that his legal name is used for the title, and for similar reasons, that he is described as an "entertainer" rather than a "singer". Readers can search for 'Joji' on Wikipedia and be led here by the Joji disambiguation page; there is also a specific redirect page: Joji (singer). -- Pingumeister^(talk) 13:27, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

George Miller described as Japanese-Australian

There are some understandable doubts around whether the fact that George is actually a Japanese-Australian. I thought we could discuss this claim here so that it is registered on the talk page.

What I have found is that in his Filthy Frank exposes Himself??? video, he affirms that he is "Half Japanese, Half Australian". Highsnobiety also reiterates this in an interview with him. Along with this I found Billboard, The Guardian, and Forbes as a few examples that also support this claim. Fernandillo1 (talk) 18:48, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Those refer to Miller's ethnicity (or aren't clear), not nationality. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:04, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Very true. So, should it be included in Early Life as a description of his ethnic background? Fernandillo1 (talk) 06:45, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Sure, sounds like a good place for it. — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:20, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Unreliable sources

TheFixerUpper12, your use of unreliable sources, especially for a BLP, is not acceptable. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:32, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Original research

@TheFixerUpper12: You are engaged in an edit war with User:JJMC89. The information you are trying to add to this page is original research. Koyyo (talk) 03:12, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

@Koyyo: This is not original research. I did not publish any of the sources. Again, as I stated before, these sources were published by education facilitates with .edu domains (or the like). TheFixerUpper12 (talk) 03:17, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

@TheFixerUpper12: "This is not original research. I did not publish any of the sources" Please read Wikipedia:No original research. That is not what original research entails. You are using highly unreliable sources. The mere fact of a source being hosted on a .edu domain does not mean you can use it as source for the speculative information you have posted along with it. Koyyo (talk) 03:34, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

@Koyyo: What speculative information did I post? I am stating facts, which are backed up by documents the school provided.

Well, for one, you cannot use a random symposium document hosted by a university as a source that a specific person went to said university merely because it mentions an individual with the same name of Joji. That is original research. "I am stating facts" I would appreciate it if you would actually take the time to read about Wikipedia's policy on original research and not simply reply to me quickly. Koyyo (talk) 03:46, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Published Book.

The Person has published a book. https://www.amazon.com/Francis-Filth-George-Miller/dp/138715950X — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.15.140.198 (talk) 06:15, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Profile picture

Can someone please add a profile picture? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael14375 (talk • contribs) 08:29, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

If you can find one that is freely licensed. All of the images that editors have previously added to the article have been copyright violations. — JJMC89 (T·C) 18:42, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Removing the youtube kids controversy paragraph

I was the one who added the youtube kids/suicide controversy paragraph a few months ago, but I now think it's appropriate to remove it for two reasons: (a) on BLP grounds: the paragraph gives the misleading impression that Miller himself was responsible for the spliced videos. (b) NOTNEWS: there were a few days worth of breathless, alarmist news reports on the issue, but it seems to have had no lasting effect on Miller's career. Cheers, gnu57 18:23, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2019

In the lede, remove "one-time" from "one-time author". We don't use the term elsewhere, and it seems denigrating. 151.132.206.250 (talk) 19:45, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

 Done Philroc (c) 19:54, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

"Half Australian".. Anyone have more specifics?

I'm a nerd for ethnology, so forgive me if this doesn't seem relevant, but Australian is a nationality, not an ethnic category. I'm assuming that Australian in his case means white Australian, probably Anglo-Celtic, just going off the demographics of the country. But there are also obviously Aboriginal Australians to factor in, and the country is becoming increasingly diverse, with people from Asia, the Mediterranean, etc. So I'm curious if anyone can confirm the specifics of his ancestry on that side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1010:B044:4F75:F54C:3DCD:3F95:484B (talk) 08:48, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

• He did post a (supposed) pic of his parents on the Filthy Frank twitter once but that was long ago and even then I'm not entirely sure I remember. Considering that (a.) the FF twitter has been completely wiped and (b.) I doubt he'd be willing to talk more about his personal life it'd be fine to just say "Half-Australian" and call it a day there. JakeyPotter (talk) 20:49, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I just come on here to ask this as I saw him on the Australian Artist chart on Aria and was not expecting to see him there as the page here indicates he is Japanese I guess if he is currently living in Australia and has an Australian citizenship he could be half and half. DanTheMusicMan2 (talk) 12:54, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

He self ID’s as Japanese-Australian, so why the lead reads just “Japanese” as of right now is a real mystery. Funny how Japan is willing to claim “hafu” when they are famous...sigh.2A00:23C4:3E0F:4400:ED8D:C76F:7780:677 (talk) 13:10, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Japanese or Japanese-Australian?

The article specifically says 'do not add half Japanese, half Australian as ethnicity does not belong in the header'. But from what I'm aware of, Miller is Japanese and Australian in nationality (to be strict, Australian isn't an ethnicity anyway). If one of his parents is Australian and the other is Japanese, then surely it would make him a national of both countries. On Saoirse Ronan's page she is described as 'Irish and American' due to holding both nationalities, despite both of her parents being Irish and her identifying exclusively as Irish. As Miller is a national of both Australia and Japan, surely that is relevant information to add in the introduction section? Averkf (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Ethnicity and nationality are not the same things. Ethnicity should not be in the lead since it is not relevant to his notability. Having a parent(s) of one nationality does not make someone a national of the same. — JJMC89 (T·C) 15:24, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Do we have any citations that his nationality is, in fact, Japanese and not Australian or both Japanese and Australian? Averkf (talk) 15:22, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Japanese seems OK as he was born there and is of half Japanese parentage. However, this isn’t stone cold proof that he is a Japanese citizen as I don’t think being born in Japan automatically grants you citizenship. Also, Japan doesn’t allow dual citizenship and Joji may have acquired citizenship of another place, but who knows? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:3E0F:4400:24C3:5533:45D:9984 (talk) 23:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

His birthday

His birthday is 16 September 1993. It's not 18 September 1992. The source is according from the school he was graduated.Dendanai (talk) 02:00, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Privacy concerns

The guy wants to protect his privacy why do we need to point that he is, expose something he chose to keep private, and then link a video he wants off the net?

I believe that the Wikipedia article can be very meaningful without that line about him trying to protect his privcy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Green2511 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

About the "Early Life" section

So if he attempted to maintain his privacy shouldn't the details of the video's content be removed as in line with his wishes? ECPBlue 23:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Kusunoki?

The article currently lists his full name as "George Kusunoki Miller." This is a name that I've seen floating around on various websites, but I've never been able to track down a reliable source for the "Kusunoki" portion of the name. The reference given in the article for the name links to his Apple Music profile, where his "about" section simply refers to him as "George Miller," no mention of "Kusunoki" to be found. Can we really be certain that "Kusunoki" is actually part of his name at all? And if it is, can we find a reliable source for that which actually uses the name? A50E10AN500ER (talk) 17:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

EDIT: I found the ASCAP source for "Kusunoki Joji" in the "Early Life" section. I'm not sure if this source is considered a reliable one, but if it is and we decide to keep it, then I'll be referencing it in the lead where it mentions the full name as well. A50E10AN500ER (talk) 17:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2021

Change his birthday from September 18 1992 to September 16 1993 Jtimberlake17 (talk) 12:10, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

@Jtimberlake17:, in order for this to be changed you need to have a reliable source that states this. versacespacetalk to me 14:12, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Bestagon ⬡ 16:30, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

add a dash between the words “now” and “defunct”

that’s literally all i wanted to edit, but apparently we can’t have shit in detroit WoowowMC (talk) 22:10, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Done. Orcaguy | Write me | Mon œuvre 23:06, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Associated acts

Please add artists who had collaboration with this musician. For example Diplo, Trippie Redd, Rich Brian and Omar Apollo. HONDA Gang (Talk) 08:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

​This is already covered at Joji discography, or do you want this written in the musical career section? Do you think you could specify further? Orcaguy | Write me | Mon œuvre 23:06, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

@Orcaguy: This article should be as similar as other musical artist. You can visit the page Template:Infobox musical artist for more information. HONDA Gang (Talk) 14:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 15 July 2021

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. The nominator was an block-evading sockpuppet whose rationale should be ignored; the only other participant opposed moving. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:17, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

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Joji (musician) → George Miller (musician) – Hey guys i noticed that this article contains content about George's time as a youtuber as well as his current music career and not just about the joji music career. I think George Miller (musician) would be the perfect title for this page as it will include both the joji and filthy frank part and the (musician) can denote his current career focus. The joji name can be a redirect to this page, the same as filthy frank and pink guy. Let me know what you think :) DarkerthanTar (talk) 11:12, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose "Joji" seems to be the WP:COMMONNAME in this case, and he is referred to as such in most sources. He also continues to release music under this stage name. Some sources do use "George Miller" alongside "Joji", but the latter looks to be more prevalent. 1857a (talk) 20:07, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2021

his birthday is on 16th september 1993, please change date Bruuuh234567 (talk) 08:20, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:23, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2021

Change from born 18 September to 16 September Rachelgillespie (talk) 14:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:28, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 19 September 2022

one date says September 16 for birthday, please change September 16 to September 18. thank you. 2603:8080:3E00:A6BE:4C8E:36CE:FF59:BDCE (talk) 21:38, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Madeline (part of me) 20:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2022

change the birth date on the info sheet to 18 September 1992 (not 16 September 1993) as stated on his Apple Music verified biography 90.166.192.117 (talk) 14:24, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Madeline (part of me) 20:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Joji is not a genre

Under the genera listing in the infobox, it shows his first genre as "Joji". That's his name, not his genre. Only Primus gets to be both. 71.236.206.225 (talk) 04:36, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

The artist's genres are listed for his multiple personas separately. The indication "Joji" in the Genre field identifies the genres associated with that persona. General Ization ^Talk 04:38, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Missing works in Discography

Discography is incomplete, missing Joji's debut EP In Tongues/In Tongues Deluxe and Chloe Burbank Vol. 1 Xeebakou (talk) 18:13, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2022

Change "born" field in info card to 1993 to match first line of the article (and source). Sanderronde (talk) 00:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

 DoneThank you, - FlightTime (open channel) 00:42, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Change incorrect birthdate

According to a couple of tweets and a photo from his yearbook, he was born on September 16, 1993. The wiki has been yet to reflect this. 220.245.55.211 (talk) 05:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)