Talk:Joyce Kilmer/GA1

GA Reassessment

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Starting GA reassessment as part of the GA Sweeps process. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

In order to uphold the quality of Wikipedia:Good articles, all articles listed as Good articles are being reviewed against the GA criteria as part of the GA project quality task force. While all the hard work that has gone into this article is appreciated, unfortunately, as of August 3, 2009, this article fails to satisfy the criteria, as detailed below. For that reason, the article has been delisted from WP:GA. However, if improvements are made bringing the article up to standards, the article may be nominated at WP:GAN. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GAR.

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose):

   • Very poor:
   • Shortly after his marriage and graduation from Columbia, Kilmer sought teaching positions. In the autumn of 1908, he obtained a position teaching Latin at Morristown High School in Morristown, New Jersey, and finding that teaching did not demand much of his time, he found considerable time to dedicate to writing. At this time, he submitted essays to Red Cross Notes... consider rewriting for simplicity, clarity and style.
   • The year 1913 approached Kilmer in trials of suffering and faith but also in success. How could a year approach him?
   • With the publication of "Trees" in the magazine Poetry, Kilmer gained immense popularity as a poet across the United States. At this time his popularity and success as a lecturer, particularly one seeking to reach a Catholic audience,... Consider rewriting, choosing diffrent words, avoiding repetition of phrases.
   • In September, before Kilmer was deployed, the Kilmer family was met with both the contrary emotions of tragedy and rejoicing. Clumsy.
   • During his time in Europe, Kilmer did write prose sketches and poetry, most notably the poem "Rouge Bouquet", which was written after the First Battalion of the 42nd Division, which had been occupying the Rouge Bouquet forest northeast of the French village of Baccarat, which at the time was a quiet sector of the front—was struck by a heavy artillery bombardment on the afternoon of March 12, 1918 that buried 21 men of the unit, of which 14 remained entombed. This sentence is ridiculously long.
   • Kilmer was buried in the Oise-Aisne American Cemetery and Memorial, near Fere-en-Tardenois, Aisne, Picardy, France. Although Kilmer is buried in France in an American military cemetery, ... Unneccessary repetition.
   • Many locations across the United States maintain legends that certain trees in their localities inspired Kilmer to write the poem. Clumsy
   • Joyce Kilmer's reputation as a poet is staked largely on the widespread popularity of one poem, namely "Trees". repeats statement in earlier section.
   • Critics compared to British Catholic writers, Hilaire Belloc and G. K. Chesterton, suggesting that his reputation might have risen to the level where he would have been considered their American counterpart if not for his untimely death. Presumably Critics compared Kilmer...
   • Frankly thr whole article needs thorough copy-editing. It is not near GA standard for prose at the moment. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

   b (MoS):

   • The Legacy section smacks of Trivia and should be severly curtailed and turned into prose. The mention in an earlier section of the museum should be here. Most of the parks, streets, etc are completely non-notable and shoudl be removed. Rather too many ELs - only those that would add understanding of the subject should remain. The lead does not fully summarize the article. "Trees": this section is rather too detailed, I think. Perhaps a new article on this poem would be appropriate with a stub here. Criticism and influence: there should be more critical commentary here. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references):

   • I fixed two dead links, but one remains: ref #53 [1]. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

   b (citations to reliable sources):

   • As far as I am able to ascertain. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

   c (OR):

3. It is broad in its scope.

   a (major aspects):

   b (focused):

   • It is somewhat disorganized. Will probably look better after a good copy-edit. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):

   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   • This article needs a comprehensive re-write and copyedit. As this is unlikely to be possible at short notice, I am delisting it. It can be re-nominated at WP:GAN when ready. Major contributors and projects will be notified. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)