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Karuna . . . Suicide?[edit]

There is a Suicide Girl named Dusti who has "karuna" tattooed across her chest. In fact, that's why I searched Wikipedia for the definition. 24.173.57.56 05:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's...fascinating. The talk page is generally for discussion about the article. --Qmwne235 22:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject class rating[edit]

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 16:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the novel Island (novel), by Aldous Huxley, mynah birds are used to bring attention to the present moment: the here and now. Throughout the novel, these mynah birds cry out, "Attention" and "Karuna, Karuna." In reference to the meaning of Karuna in Buddhist context, Huxley uses the mynah birds as a symbolic vehicle for compassionate action and heightened awareness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.22.137 (talk) 16:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Recent POV edits of intro[edit]

Today, without any articulated justification (e.g., in the Edit Summary or on this talk page), the intro to this article was changed from:

Karuṇā (Sanskrit; Pāli) is generally defined as "compassion" or "pity."[1] It is part of the spiritual path of both Buddhism and Jainism.

to:

Karuṇā (Sanskrit; Pāli) is generally defined as compassion.[1] The emotion is at the experiential heart of both the Jain and Budddhist traditions.

Thus, basically, the following changes were made:

  1. the first sentence's "or 'pity'" was deleted
  2. the quote marks were removed from the word "compassion"
  3. the word compassion was wikilinked to the article compassion
  4. the phrase "is part of the spirtual paths" was replaced with "is at the experiential heart of"
  5. Jainism was put before Buddhism
  6. "Buddhist" is misspelled (only two "d"s)

Here are some problems with these changes:

  1. Removing "pity" while keeping the cited material misrepresents the citation, misrepresents the authority of the statement and calls into question WP editors' basic commitment to intellectual integrity. The purpose of citations such as those here are to provide a reliable source for a translation/definition, whether or not it is consistent with someone's idiosyncratic practice or a contemporary subgroup's/author's ideology. Perhaps an alternative solution would be: If one has an authoritative citation (e.g., per WP:RS) that indicates that "pity" is somehow outdated (which I think can be reasonably argued -- although I don't know of a citation), then please add the new citation, move "pity" to the endnote and explain the reason for having done such.
  2. The purpose of the quote marks was to suggest that there is a translation involved because, after all, there is a translation involved.
  3. As indicated in the article's main text, "compassion" is at the heart of Mahayana Buddhism; not so much Theravada (e.g., vs. wisdom, equanimity or arguably even the jhana states or vipassana). The article text also in no way supports the notion that compassion (and, in particular, karuna) is "at the experiential heart" of Jainism. (Frankly, I did a lengthy Google search when I first went about modifying this page [when "karuna" was previously defined as the Jain notion of "love"] and could not find credible support for such.) Thus, in addition to inappropriately extending a Mahayana worldview over all Buddhism, such a statement does not clearly (at least according to the current article) reflect Jainism.
  4. Why put Jainism before Buddhism. For alphabetical reasons? No, that doesn't work. Due to world populations associated with each religion. Oh, hold it, that's no good either. Because of well-known chronology. Gosh, that can't be used as well....

So, for the above reasons, I'm reverting all the above changes except for the wikilink to the compassion article. (Also, for added clarity, I'll change the first sentence's "defined" to "translated.") In accord with WP guidelines, if you disagree with this reversion, please first discuss here and let's reach consensus before attempting to restore the reverted text. Thanks so much, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 19:18, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Regarding the Sanskrit word, see Monier-Williams (1899), p. 255, entry for "karuṇā" (retrieved at http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/MWScanpdf/mw0255-karaTa.pdf), where the nounal form of the word is defined as "pity, compassion". For the Pali word, see Rhys Davids & Stede (1921-5), p. 197, entry for "Karuṇā" (retrieved at http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.1:1:356.pali), where it is defined as "pity, compassion."

Wisdom & Compassion[edit]

  • [1] It maybe difficult, but it would be really nice to have the connections and differences between all those terms to be explained.
Austerlitz -- 88.75.213.231 (talk) 11:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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