Talk:List of Bermuda Triangle incidents/Archive 1

Archive 1

Reliability

I have looked up all incidents in Quasar's 2004 volume, and verified their accuracy; Quasar verified them after going through U.S. registers, and acquiring on a single occasion a listing of more than 30 "overdue" voyages between years 1999-2001; webpage [1] might also provide assistence. --Chr.K. 08:53, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

redundant list

There's a similar list on the main Bermuda triangle page. I think they should be merged. But here or there? Totnesmartin 00:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Here! Totnesmartin 19:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

General Gates

This ship went missing in 1780, and the article says that "no British warship claimed her sinking".

But: "General Gates returned to Boston harbor 13 April 1779, so unseaworthy from battering gales that her crew, at times, had despaired of ever reaching port. She was ordered sold 2 June 1779. In August she was loaned by the Navy Board to the Deputy Commissary of Prisoners at Boston to convey prisoners to New York. On completion of this mission, she was sold." Totnesmartin 10:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Merged

I've merged this with the similar list from the main Bermuda triangle article. turns out to have been a good idea, as some of the info on some ships and planes was scattered across both lists. *Hopefully* I've left nothing out. Totnesmartin 20:51, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Page Layout

Since this is just a chronological listing of missing ships and aircraft, we could try laying the page out this way:

a brief heading or introductory paragraph which only says it's just a listing;

Entry for aircraft, with missing entries listed by decade;

Entry for ships and boats, same format as aircraft:

Each line to give date, name of vessel/aircraft, type of vessel/aircraft, number of people lost; linked to appropriate page, in that order.

A "see also" or additional links at the bottom.

Any explanation for each incident should be included with the main article, not this listing. It just gets redundant. Carajou 00:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

If you'll look at ship entries for 1850-1929, you'll see the brief, bullet-statement format that I've used. For the moment that is all I've done. Carajou 01:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Very questionable incidents

Prior to 1850, there is USS Insurgent, listed as French-built frigate of 38 guns, owned and operated, apparently, by the U.S. Navy. The U.S. Navy came into existence in 1797, with two frigates launched, one on the ways, and another three being built; none of them were named Insurgent. They were, in order: United States, Constellation, Constitution, Chesapeake, Congress, President. The Insurgent the writer might have been thinking of was a French frigate L'Insurgente, involved in the Quasi-War against the U.S., and battered (yes, battered!) to defeat by USS Constellation, one of the afore-mentioned ships. Carajou 01:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Having rechecked the DANFS site, there was a USS Insurgent...the one captured by USS Constellation. Taken into the U.S. Navy, she left to sail in the West Indies looking for enemy vessels when she disappeared after August 8, 1800, possibly victim of a severe storm which hit the Indies on September 20, 1800. So I stand corrected. Carajou 19:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of questionable, I've removed the information about the alleged 1981 Freya incident. It actually happened in 1902, the vessel was sailing from Manzanilla, Cuba, to Chile, and was found weeks or months later, not a couple of days. Martin Blank (talk) 17:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Coast Guard reports

Added a link to official reports from the USCG, which should help out a lot: [2] Carajou 07:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I was a Radioman stationed at CG Air Detachment, Bermuda, BWI, when the Home Sweet Home became missing. LCDR (then) John M Waters, USCG, told the crew (2 men, 2 women) they should not go to sea the next day as a storm was coming in. They sailed anyway, made a report to Bermuda Harbour Master when they cleared Bermuda, and were never heard from again. Many, many, CG and other services searched the Bermuda triangle and nothing was ever found. A big mystery.

RMCS Don Gardner, AD4PT USCG Retired. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.110.234.136 (talk) 16:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

This list

As it appears now, this list seem to contain all accidents within the area known as the bermuda triangle, regardless of any cause as to why an accident happened. Wouldn't it be better to only list those accidents normally attributed to the triangle, or at least list any relevant circumstances? Bjelleklang - talk 16:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)