Talk:List of Dallas Independent School District schools

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Need to add Early College HS[edit]

For 2008-09, the district added Early College High School, a joint project with Cedar Valley College that is similar to Middle College High School. I would add it myself, but I don't know how to get some of the info that the table calls for, such as exact longitude and latitude. Lawikitejana (talk) 15:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

High School Classifications need to be updated[edit]

It appears that the high schools' UIL classifications (4A, 5A, 6A, etc) need to be updated. Hebisddave (talk) 13:14, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Table[edit]

The table here is disastrously complicated and difficult to read. Can someone with more table expertise and a bunch of time please adjust and/or replace it completely? Thank you! smileguy91talk - contribs 19:00, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Value of the list, in general[edit]

This article, in my opinion, is the worst kind of listcruft. From a policy perspective, most of the entries are unsupported by reference. There is no press about the list, only a couple of entries.

As a practical matter, I believe it serves no use to a WP reader. Tell me, please, how a reader would find this article of any more use than a category? The whole article can be summed up in the subject article, "For information on the schools in the school district, see ...." The numeric information is not backed up be NCES data. Even if it were, it would be a Sisyphean task to update the list in addition to each of the individual articles. And the tables? I've worked with large tables. They are a nightmare.

It needs to go. Rhadow (talk) 21:24, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there are lots of issues with this article. The recently rolled back version had issues with embedded external links and links to official websites which made the article seem more like internet directory and link farm than a proper stand-alone list article. That version was reverted here, but the current version has many of the same issues plus issues per MOS:COLOR. It seems like a simple list article which just lists the names of the schools with Wikilinks to the school's article is all that's needed, but then again the same thing could be accomplished with a navigation template instead. Moreover, I don't think an article such as this needs to include anything below the high school level, unless a school already has a Wikipedia article written about it or one can be written per WP:GNG as explained in WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Some kind of selection criteria should also be established to ensure that entries do at least meet some criteria that goes beyond mere existence. If this seems like too much effort for too little encyclopedic value, and there's no substantial reliably sourced content about the district itself (not the schools in the district) which can be found, then I agree that AfD is an option which should be considered. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:00, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a list of only the schools with Wikipedia articles is appropriate. Currently, this is a majority of the high schools, and two multi-level academies. Could the list also contain a single link back to the DISD website's list of schools for those that don't have Wikipedia articles? Or, is a more appropriate location for the link in the main article, Dallas Independent School District? Thanks. PhillyHarold (talk) 01:25, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Rhadow: @Marchjuly: @PhillyHarold: Just saw this discussion. At List of Houston Independent School District schools and List of Houston Independent School District elementary schools I've been trying to have encyclopedic sourced information about each/most schools in each category. I also will add some info about Anne Frank School to this list. Hopefully they could be models?
One complication is that the longstanding practice is that a non-notable elementary/middle school should redirect to a district article, because the district article is expected to list the said school. If there is no place where the school is listed, other editors may expect to see the name of the school and not find it. This is something that should be discussed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools.
The other is that Preston Hollow Elementary School and Walnut Hill Elementary School do have Wikipedia articles.
What the lists should report IMO is non-routine data from the local newspaper (in this case the Dallas Morning News), such as:
  • Construction and addition info
  • School permanently closing
  • School being renamed
  • School being temporarily closed due to damage sustained from a natural disaster (such as Hurricane Harvey for Houston), not routine flooding closures
  • Demographic information as reported by a newspaper for a particular year/period of time
  • Changes in the principal administrator as reported by a newspaper (especially if some sort of controversy in the local community arises from it)
WhisperToMe (talk) 01:27, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It might be better to get input from WP:WPSCHOOLS if you're going to suggest specific articles as models. Perhaps the coordinators of that WikiProject such as and its members could provide some feedback. The two articles you mentioned above (List of Houston Independent School District schools and List of Houston Independent School District elementary schools) would not, in my opinion, be really good models for other articles to follow (at least not now). They were filled with embedded external links (since removed), and some embedded citations, etc., but the multi-level bullet point formatting they follow seems to be the main "problem" in my opinion. If you're going to create a bullet point list of schools, then each entry should be in the same bullet point level; if you need to use multi-level bullet points to add multiple paragraphs about a particular entry, then you're probably adding too much detail. If there's that much detail about a particular school, then maybe it be better to consider creating a WP:STUB instead and include that info there. Instead of a bullet point list, it might be better to use a table markup instead since that way you can include the image and all other relevant information about a single school as part of the same entry.
As for your suggested list of non-routine data, once again I think you're running into problems per WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Year opened and closed seem like no brainers and maybe even renaming is OK, but changes in principal administrators, demographic info and temporary closures seem a bit unnecessary. That kind of information once again seems more appropriate for a stand-alone stub/article than a general list article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:05, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
1. I'm glad the old ELs were removed. That was an artifact from like 2005/2006.
2. IMO "NOTEVERYTHING" is best used for very "dense" articles/topics (say Barack Obama). In many topics I work on there is a desire to get any sort of "encyclopedic" information about the topic and for less "dense" topics that's a good desire as there isn't that much encyclopedic material released/accessible. Also I stand by changes in principals since, I stated above, that can cause controversy and discord, which should be reported on by Wikipedia. In particular there was a removal of a principal at Rosemont Elementary which caused controversy for that school.
3. I actually have split off several school articles from the list because of how much encyclopedic info about the school existed. Wilson Montessori, Wharton Dual Language Academy, and Travis Elementary School (Houston) are separate because I felt there was too much info to put in a simple "list". Poe Elementary School (Houston) also became independent when I found there was an academic book describing its preschool program in a particular chapter. The idea I have is that if/when there's enough detail about a school, it absolutely can and should be "detached" from the list. Having said that, I am aware not every school article can survive as a standalone, which is why these lists understandably can act as repositories.
4. I thought about the bullet formatting. I can make each school be unindented if that's the best thing. I had considered using sections for each school, but as there are hundreds of schools in HISD, the sections would take up too much space. DISD is in a similar situation here.
WhisperToMe (talk) 23:25, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I wandered over here from WP:SCH/AG where this article is wrongly IMHO given as an example of a list to be studied. As articles on ISCED Level 1 schools (elementary schools in US-speak) are not normally accepted as stand-alone articles, the advise is to merge them into the location's article- or the controlling trust or school district. Whether it is list or table doesn't concern me, having the information available does and if the information is not available elsewhere we have a duty to house it here.
But why? We haven't to underplay our importance- Google is the first port of call for most of the world- and we are the first port of call for Google. Anyone with a slow connections just relies on us. Askng why the 'average' would want to know is the wrong question- that is merely the register we write in. Research a politician and their background is defined by their early school life- we do want to know whether they mixed in a Bilingual Spanish School, how the church and which church sponsored their spirituality- et cetera. Whether they were friendless in a one room school or stimulated in a 4 stream entry inner city hothouse, experiencing unequal poverty and wealth. But we service a rich community of genealogists too.ClemRutter (talk) 21:46, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Additional sources?[edit]

J. L. Long Middle School:

I'd rather list JL Long with more subtantial info from the DMN.

Also an opinion article listing some schools https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/08/16/dallas-isd-has-become-a-great-choice-for-parents-but-navigating-the-schools-can-be-daunting/ WhisperToMe (talk) 08:49, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Internationalisation[edit]

Can we go back to basics, and allow readers outside the US a chance to follow the article and discussion. What is a school district? What is an independent school district. Where is Dallas? What is a 6A, 5A etc. What is a high school-are we talking about high school (North America). Middle school has a very specific meaning in the UK- Middle school#England and Wales.ClemRutter (talk) 21:11, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ClemRutter: Thanks for the insight! That helped me add some needed wikilinks. As per WP:ENGVAR this article uses U.S. English terms. With country-specific topics I think readers are to rely on wikilinks which explain the topics (so to solve this link "high school (North America)" as this is what this topic is talking about). For this topic most readers will be from the US or use US English (as they've immigrated to the US), but I do try to use country-neutral language (for example using American football instead of just "football") when possible. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:33, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

About Hogg ES[edit]

This DMN article is technically an "opinion" page https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2016/08/25/how-can-we-support-disd-by-enrolling-our-kids-in-neighborhood-schools/ but I couldn't see how it would hurt using it as a source for basic demographics. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:54, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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