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moved from Romanian-American. bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 08:51, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Adrian Sfarti (Ati3414 and 67.170.224.36 ... User_talk:Ati3414), I'm sorry to tell you, but "Socrunchy" is not Kevin Mantey. Nor is the user "Sfarti". From all your craziness, you have obtained a kind of reputation as a funny "egotistical fool". The very fact that you keep trying to add your own name to the list of Notable Romanian-Americans just fuels this. Let me also point out that it is against Wikipedia rules to try to publicize yourself. Gregory9 02:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a rule against "sock puppets" "gregory" aka Kevin Mantey. There are also rules against vandalism.

Adrian- removing your name from a place where it doesn't belong does not constitute vandalism. When adding your own name to the "list of notable Romanian Americans", please consider the things that Wikipedis is not. Refer, specifically, to the note on self-promotion.Socrunchy 03:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a rule against "sock puppets" "Socrunchy" aka Kevin Mantey. You should know about them: [[8]] There is also a rule against vandalism.

Sorry, I'm not Kevin Mantey. And if you're assuming that everyone who removes your name from the list is Kevin Mantey, then you should be accusing Royboy and lulianu as well. Furthermore, it hardly seems beneficial to you to bring up the rule on sock puppets, given that Ati3414 and 67.170.224.36 take turns adding Sfarti's name to the list, and have both had links removed on the "Age of the Earth" and "Half Life" pages to some amateur calculations by a certain Adrian Sfarti.Socrunchy 18:45, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop accusing us of vandalism. We haven't removed or defaced information from WP; merely corrected an attempt at self-promotion. Note that at least three different people have removed this name from the list. Socrunchy 21:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Adrian, just because several people don't agree with you doesn't immediately mean they are all one person. Not only that, but you seem to be back to your old tricks where you somehow "forget how to read" ... for if you actually read the Wikipedia rules, you will see that in regards to this article, no one (not even you) has violated the 3 revert rule which states that "Do not revert any single page in whole or in part more than three times in 24 hours." And if you actually read the rules you'd see that you have violated them countless times with your self-promotion. Gregory9 23:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Gregory: it seems that Sfarti is not notable enough to have an article in Wikipedia. Filing a patent doesn't make you a noted inventor. bogdan 00:05, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Having 23 awarded patents does. Especially when some of them are the foundation of the computers you are working on. Besides, "gregory" (Kevin Mantey) is just a "sock puppet" (alias "Socrunchy) who has a grudge from a previous encounter where he was caught cheating and whose only intent is to mess with my posts. Neither "gregory" , nor "Socrunchy" have any posts of any value except for the vandalism ones.

Again, I'm not gregory/Kevin. I've had no previous encounters with you, so please spare me the delusions of persecution. Furthermore, as you've been using a sockpuppet on this very page, I fail to see how you believe that you benefit from arbitrarily accusing other people. If you check Wikipedia's standards for notability, you'll see that Adrian Sfarti does not belong on this list. The fact that you're adding yourself should be a good indicator.  :-P Socrunchy 01:56, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You sure are. Look at your "contributions and at your registration date [[9]] vs [[10]]. Up to your standard tricks, Kevin. You are only fooling yourself. Take your grudges elsewhere.

Your insistance on imagining that gregory and I are the same person doesn't help you. Pretend what you will, several different people have still removed your name from this list, starting back in November. Are we all the same person? Do we all have some mysterious grudge against you? The fact that you shouldn't be using Wikipedia for self-promotion is unrelated to who it is that's correcting the page. Socrunchy

You are a bad liar, Kevin. They don't teach computer science too well at UIUC, the computer specifics give you away every time. That's why you got none of the 4000$ that you were hoping to scam.

And, somehow, you've ruled out the possibility that more than one person at UIUC knows about you? Or are you just trying to distract us from the issue at hand (abuse of Wikipedia for self-promotion)?

Furthermore, if you're trying to establish yourself as notable, you might want to avoid making references to your irresponsible gambling habits. Socrunchy 03:48, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are a bad liar, Kevin. And a cheat as well. Get a life.
Sorry buddy. Believe it or not, I've only removed your name from this article once. Do you honestly believe that everyone that has removed you from the list is me? You need to stop and think: If the only way you can get on the list is to add yourself, do you really believe you are notable enough to be on the list? Wikipedia isn't for self promotion. Please stop trying to blame these problems on me. If you really want to explain to me why I'm wrong, I'm still looking forward to you coming out here and giving a speech. It will give you a chance to show me up in front of my peers if you really are correct... which I know you aren't. I, and many others here at UIUC, are looking forward to your visit. Gregory9 05:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scratch that, I've now removed you for a second time. Gregory9 05:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnicity lists discussion[edit]

Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) for current discussion of a potential policy to apply to all ethnicity lists on Wikipedia, including this one. JackO'Lantern 20:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

I have sourced the list in accordance with Wikipedia's Original Research and Verifiability policies. Basically, anyone described by a reliable source as "Romanian" or "RomanianAmerican" (i.e. as opposed to "of Romanian descent", "Romanian mother", etc.) is on the list. Here are the few people I couldn't find anything for. If you have a reliable source that fits that please restore the names:

Mad Jack O'Lantern 08:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We need explicit sources that call them "Romanian-Americans" (or of course, "Romanian"). We can't use our own opinion of what a Romanian-American is or should be, and we can't use Wikipedia articles as sources, either, only reliable external sources (for obvious reasons). Mad Jack O'Lantern 23:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ok then , so you gave sources for each of them (almost), and why we cannot consider them notable Romanian-Americans????????????? And don't remove what I wrote because I can post them when I want, right?

a worried user 18 May 2006

You can't post personal attacks or profanity against other users - that's why I removed it. What is your question? I gave sources for the ones that were described as "Romanian" or "Romanian-Americans", so they're included. If you find anyone else described as "Romanian" or "Romanian-American" in a reliable source, they should also be included. Mad Jack O'Lantern 23:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are u Romanian dude? Do you know how are Romanian names? If in the article is written, his/she is Romanian-American, that means he is. Or if your a fuck-head that doesn't know to read or you need reliable sources because your fuckin' brain is not able to judge, leave it like that,ok? all was ok here till you handicapated came here.

It doesn't matter what someone's last name is, or what their Wikipedia article says about them (unless that article sources that fact). I am strictly following the Verifiability and No original research policies that we must follow on Wikipedia. No personal attacks is also good. I won't revert your edits right now because I don't want to edge close to 3RR, but I will revert soon enough in accordance with Wikipedia policy. I've tried finding sources for the people who I removed, but couldn't. If you can find a source that describes them as what you want to call them, "Romanian" or "Romanian-American", then they should be re-added. Mad Jack O'Lantern 00:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes yes I believe you, you can't find something about them 'cause you don't want, not because there no sources about them. I inform your fucked brain that Google or Yahoo Research, and you can look there if you're not to stupid to see their names in the research, guy. You're so hypocritic, like a pig head.

People I removed[edit]

OK, here is why I removed the ones I did (I didn't look at them all):

  • Art Garfunkel - [11] - first of all, this is Wikipedia. I mean the source you gave is Wikipedia - it's a copy of our article circa January of this year. Second, it says he is of "Romanian Jewish descent". It doesn't say he's "Romanian-American" or "Romanian"
  • Adrian Zmed - same thing, [12] is a copy of Wikipedia
  • Gheorghe Gaston Marin - [13] Answers.com is, indeed, also a copy of Wikipedia, though one of the most obvious ones. Wikipedia has so many mirror sites out there

Mad Jack 21:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Red links[edit]

The problem is red links. If there's a red link, there is no article and therefore no way for the Wiki community to decide if the person is notable or not. Mad Jack 19:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Moscovici[edit]

Lauren Bacall is notable, but Claudia Moscovici's references all traced back to her own pen. Her own Wikipedia article was deleted today. Gadgetry 00:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Cretu[edit]

Is he Romanian-American? He used to live in France, Germany, and he has a house on the island of Ibiza, Spain, but there is nothing about America in the article about him.--Mycomp (talk) 08:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michelle Deighton[edit]

In which way is she related to Romania?--Mycomp (talk) 12:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a disaster[edit]

Half of the persons listed here are of Jewish descent. They are not ethnic Romanians, heck their families most likely left the place because they were being persecuted there. The 1920s and 1930s in Romania were filled with anti-semitic violece that culminated in the massacres of world war 2. In the 1907 Romanian progroms alone, thousands of Jews were slaughtered so do you really think that the descendants of those people that suffered so much would want to be considered Romanian? No, ofcourse not! Going by the logic of the article, should all Jewish immigrants from Europe be called German-American, Russian-American, Polish-American? If that were the case then there wouldn't even be "Jewish-Americans". We are talking about too very different ethnic groups here that differ in everything from religion to language to race. While i suppose that the authors of this article had good intentions, i must insist that more than half of those people ARE NOT ETHNIC ROMANIANS! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.35.62.12 (talk) 11:27, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about people who came from the the country of Romania to the US and became citizens of the US. It is NOT about just those of Romanian ethnicity Hmains (talk) 20:26, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, you're wrong. According to the article, this is a list of "Romanian-Americans" and in order to be an American - all you have to be is a citizen or lived in the country for 7 years. However, the same does not go for "Romanian." Romanian is a term that refers to either an ethnic, cultural, or (in some rare cases) linguistic affiliation. The anonymous user has a point. More than half of the article is devoted to Jews, Germans, or Hungarians who happened to have been born in a territory once or currently known as Romanian --- that does NOT make them Romanians. I highly recommend a clean-up of this article.
Just in case anyone doesn't understand what is meant here. Take these as examples:
Ioan P. Culianu - Romanian-American
David Wechsler - Yiddish-speaking Jewish family born in area that was once or is Romania
Saviana Stănescu - Romanian-American
Franz Kneisel - German born in area that was once or is Romania
Virgil Nemoianu - Romanian-American
Hermann Oberth - German born in area that was once or is Romania
Petru Popescu - Romanian-American
Naomi Wolf - descended of German-speaking Jew who was born in area that was once or is Romania
etc...etc... Bulldog123 08:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Albert Einstein was a Jew and was also a German-American. Michael Hardy (talk) 04:06, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's because Albert Einstein spoke German, was a cultural German, identified as German, and was - by all accounts - from an assimilated German-Jewish family. The same cannot be said for over half this list. Bulldog123 08:07, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
To anyone who still doesn't understand. There is a difference between a person "born in Romania" and being "Romanian-American" -- as I described above. There are still many individuals on this list who are NOT ethnic Romanians but can still be suitably called "Romanian-American." EX: Norman Manea. These remain on the list. Bulldog123 01:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree w/Hardy.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alphabetical order[edit]

Some of the sections here are in alphabetical order. Others are pretty much random. I think alphabetic order should be followed except when subject headings or sections or explicit chronologies (e.g. dates of birth and death explicitly stated in this list) dictate otherwise. Michael Hardy (talk) 04:06, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mass deletions by editor Bull[edit]

Editor Bull has just engaged in mass deletions, based inter alia on a peculiar POV that people cannot be both Jewish and Romanian (writing as his edit summary rationale: "removing Germans, Ukrainians, and Jews who do not fit an ethnic/linguistic/or cultural affiliation with Romania"). I've reverted them, as his view on the subject is clearly, at best, "fringe".--Epeefleche (talk) 01:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bull -- if there is material that needs citations in your view, you can tag it. But your reason for your mass deletion, as expressed, was that once cannot be both Jewish and Romanian. That is clearly incorrect, and as such is not a basis for deletions.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:15, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"based inter alia on a peculiar POV that people cannot be both Jewish and Romanian." Right, because apparently Andrei Codrescu, Norman Manea, and Valery Oisteanu (all still on the list) are not both Romanians and Jews. (/sarcasm -- in case that wasn't clear) Go here: Talk:List_of_Romanian_Americans#This_article_is_a_disaster. I've repeated myself very clearly at least five times. Also, you have no sources that any of the people I deleted were described as "Romanian-American." Therefore, I am allowed to revert you per WP:RS. Bulldog123 04:24, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are there individuals whom you have reason to doubt are Jewish or Romanian? If so, let's discuss them here. Or is this just an effort to be disruptive, or take an IDONTLIKEIT stance, or advance some private notions that Jews do not as you put it "ft an ethnic/linguistic/or cultural affiliation with Romania"? In any event, I encourage you to stop edit warring. Many thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's not our job to "discuss" who's Romanian and who's not. Bulldog123 10:20, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion criteria[edit]

The inclusion criteria for this article are those people who are Romanian American as described in the Romanian American article--the same as for all fooian American lists. The inclusion criteria also is that the WP Linked articles OR citations on this page show the person is Romanian American by that article's criteria. This is also the same for all fooian American lists. It is not the place for a single editor without discussion or consensus to try to alter the inclusion criteria of this list or its contents. Hmains (talk) 04:26, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, we don't make "consensus" for inclusion criteria. There is no inclusion criteria. All we need is a reliable source saying the person is a "Romanian American." Once you find that, we're good. Also, I'm perfectly within my right to remove such individuals without citations. Bulldog123 18:37, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a unilateral interpretation. It's been happening on X-American lists for years. And "consensus" does not overshadow "external reference." Once again, we are not "creators" but "editors." Bulldog123 15:56, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Hmains. And, as with all guidelines, we construe them through consensus -- not through Bull's unilateral interpretation.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's the same interpretation you've been maintaining on EVERY SINGLE JEWISH LIST you edit, Epeefleche. Another instance of your blatant biases shining through. Bulldog123 15:56, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is nothing in the outside world that dictates what we write in WP. The inclusion criteria or any other statement in an article is arrived at by consensus of the WP editors. WP is about consensus. The result of that consensus is what is in any given article at any given time. When editors want to change something, they must gather consensus to do so. Otherwise, they have no right to change anything and in particular to re-purpose an article just because they do not like the current (and long-standing) consensus. Hmains (talk) 19:30, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • No use trying to convince the "unconvincable"... and clearly someone who makes statements like "There is nothing in the outside world that dictates what we write in WP" - should not be editing Wikipedia at all. Bulldog123 05:40, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

non-discussion, non-consensus changes[edit]

It is easy to do. Start a discussion, obtain consenses for change if you can; change by consensus; do not change if no consensus to change. Try it. It is what WP is about Hmains (talk) 05:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See: [14]. Bulldog123 05:41, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are pushing multiple personal agendas. You remove entries that have citations and then claim you are helping out WP. You are not. You are making personal decisions to re-purpose these articles as you repeatedly state you intend to do. I suggested alternatives to you on your talk page, which you ignore. This is simply disruptive. Hmains (talk) 06:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • What agenda do you think I could possibly have? I'm just tired of seeing these lists being filled with garbage. Re-purpose the articles to adhere to WP:V (by way of removing unsourced material), WP:NOR (by not having inclusion criteria), and WP:BLP (by adding sources that only call people Romanian ... not 1/4th Romanian or "born in Romania")... which you should be doing instead of just en-masse reverting. Also, note that you are the only one reverting me (and I don't include User:Epeefleche since he's just following me around). This massive "consensus" you keep referring to simply doesn't exist. And even if it did, it wouldn't overshadow the fact that these X-American articles are completely dependent on external sources to exist. Those external sources call Romanian Americans an ethnic group not a "group defined by individual users making up criteria on Wikipedia." If NYTimes called Robert DeNiro "Romanian American" then I couldn't prevent you from adding him to the list... but they don't and they also don't call over half of the individuals listed here as either Romanian or Romanian American. This made-up criteria for inclusion is original research 101. You might not like my hard-headed approach but I have little choice (as you and I have been in this X-American revert war since 2008 and going the passive way didn't work then either). Bulldog123 19:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • One more thing, Hmains. Look here: Talk:List_of_Romanian_Americans#Sources. That's from 2006... and even back then this standard for "Romanian" and "Romanian American" was being used... so why are you behaving like I waltzed in here with some personally-derived criteria when it's been going on for four years already? Bulldog123 19:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Hmains that rather than making mass deletions without consensus, including repeatedly deleting references, Bull would be less disruptive if he were to follow Hmains' suggestions.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any attempts to reach you are met with the expected response: [15]. Thought maybe I could reach out to you civilly but that was a bone-headed move on my part. Bulldog123 02:38, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

deleted entries[edit]

Many of the following names were bulk deleted from this article. They can be re-added by finding reference citations in their articles or elsewhere showing these people or their ancesters were born in the country of Romania and applying those citations to this list.

Architects[edit]

Artists[edit]

Business[edit]

Entertainment[edit]

Actors and actresses[edit]

Directors/producers[edit]

Music[edit]

Television[edit]

Theatre[edit]

Fashion[edit]

History[edit]

Lawyers[edit]

Military[edit]

Photographers[edit]

Politics[edit]

Religion[edit]

Science[edit]

Sports[edit]

Writers[edit]

Literature[edit]

Other[edit]

References[edit]

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  9. ^ Autor:  Sanda Nicola. "„Dădaca“ Fran: „Noi, românii, avem ochii triĹ&#x;ti“". EVZ.ro. Retrieved November 17, 2010.
  10. ^ Cambridge paperback guide to theatre. Cambridge University Press. 1996. Retrieved December 16, 2010.
  11. ^ Harvey Keitel
  12. ^ [2] "Born in 1922 to poor working-class Jewish immigrants from Romania."
  13. ^ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0709907/bio
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Hi I am new to this Do you know why Joseph m Juran is not on the list published as Romanian-American? He clearly was. Genius Coponte (talk) 00:58, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Indiscriminate reverts[edit]

Sorry to revert without going through the discussions and history in an attempt to figure out what's going on...

This set of edits appear to be reverts of some sort, given the range of access dates for the references. I've not looked further at what's going on. I only noticed that there are unreliable sources, so I assume that someone appropriately removed them and now someone else is edit-warring over them without regard to the content, the sources, or why they were previously removed.

If someone has some insight, please explain. In the meantime, the content has been removed per BLP, and there needs to be consensus for any of it being restored. --Ronz (talk) 21:38, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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