Talk:List of Xbox games compatible with Xbox 360

Doom 3 Limited collector's Edition

It says Doom 3 is compatible with the 360, but is the Limited Collector's Edition? --168.91.255.100 (talk) 16:19, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Jet Set Radio Future - PAL Sega GT 2002 Bundle

To the best of my knowledge (and testing), the JSRF / Sega GT bundle does not support PAL-60 (I have both the bundle and stand-alone versions). While JSRF itself will run in PAL-60 once you're into the game, it's impossible to actually start it with VGA cables, since the startup screen only supports PAL-50.

This is true of all titles that make use of the standard Xbox boot menu (demo discs etc.). Unless there is some trick to getting it to run like Forza (which would be fantastic), I recommend the note about the bundle's PAL-60 support is reverted.

--Qube AU (talk) 06:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Save Corruption

Some games have comments regarding save corruption such as Ninja Gaiden, i think that we should remove them in general. Thats mainly because of the inconsistency as most who do see it happening is because they have not only removed their HDDs, but their console has been replaced. In the case of my 360, even though i had a disc drive issue, when MS fixed it, they replaced the mobo and so my Ninja Gaiden Black and Forza saves are now corrupt. Just a thought —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.181.168 (talk) 02:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. It's a system wide problem, and not isolated to individual titles.

--Qube AU (talk) 06:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Widescreen Support

Just thought it would be good to reiterate what the widescreen column is for in the compatibility list.

The Short Version

If it was to show that a game can be stretched to widescreen in SD or ED resolutions, then EVERY SINGLE GAME would get a Yes in that column. It is there to show which games have widescreen support written in to them, and fill HD displays at HD resolutions.

The Long Version

Both 4:3 and 16:9 SD displays have the same theoretical resolution: 720x480 (PAL 720x576). There is no extra resolution available on a widescreen SD display; that same resolution is simply stretched (i.e. wider pixels). So if you set your 360 to an SD resolution, it must use every available pixel, regardless of a title's aspect ratio, or sacrifice detail.

Thankfully, the 360 BC software makes the logical decision to adjust the aspect ratio (use pillar boxing) of a 4:3 title ONLY when there is sufficient resolution (720p+). HD sets are widescreen, use square pixels, and at 1280x720 or 1920x1080, there is more than enough resolution to show 4:3 titles at their correct aspect ratio without loss.

To Clarify

4:3 Title + SD Resolution + Widescreen Display = Stretched

4:3 Title + HD Resolution + Widescreen Display = Pillar Boxed

Qube AU (talk) 01:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Forza - PAL VGA Support

Im getting sick of whoever keeps reverting the Forza note, for the upteenth time, the game runs perfectly on Pal 60/VGA as long as the game is set the lowest resolution. Whoever this is, at least have the decency to discuss it here instead of simply deleting both the note and the comment here —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oemenia (talk • contribs) 18:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I edited it, and have the decency to discuss it here just fine. I tested this theory thoroughly myself, and cannot duplicate it. The single lowest resolution for the VGA cable is 640x480. At this and every other resolution I tried, I got the "PAL-50 Only" warning.

Qube AU (talk) 00:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Im up for discussion because who knows i could be wrong, but like i said, discussion, such as here in the talk section, something that i tried last time and it kinda dissapeared.

Nonetheless, im playing it through VGA as we speak, i dont know why youre having the problems, but my original VGA cales werent even licensed, meaning they were counterfeit and they still played the game. Ive since switched over to the the authentic MS ones and again, it works perfectly on 640x480. What kind of display do you have? Ill try get a video for you, but really, PAL is a HUGE standard thats used all over the world from Europe, to Mid-East all the way to Oceania.

My screen is a TFT 17", very standard stuff so its even worse equipped for signals made for TVs, let alone HD. According to my calculation, the earliest my new HDTV will arrive is on the 19th January 2008, ill try it on that and get back to youOemenia (talk) 10:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Just FYI, I edited the name of this section to take the tone down a notch :)

From what you said, I've gone away and tinkered some more, and here's the trick: After switching to 640x480, you must explicitly set the screen format to "normal". If it's set to "widescreen", it wont work.

The annoying thing is, if you go from a widescreen resolution (my TV's native resolution is 1360x768) to 640x480, it actually says that it's set to "normal", even though it isn't. You still have to go in and manually select "normal".

So the good news is that we can now document explicitly how to get it to work for other PAL VGA users like us. The bad news is it doesn't seem to work with any other game. I was hoping I'd get Psychonauts to run.

Qube AU (talk) 23:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay thanks for that, ive been editing this for months and i didnt know who it was, and to see my last discussion entry randomly deleted got me worked up a little bit too much! Either way, i didnt mean to blow hot steam at anyone specifically, but yeah, weve discussed the issue and its solved, and weve worked out something new

Oemenia (talk)

Just so you know, I did alter the note (once, recently) in the main article after failing to get it working myself. But I don't know anything about removing the discussion topic... that wasn't me. Same goes for any earlier edits to that note on the main article.

Qube AU (talk) 04:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Otogi 1 and 2

Why is it listed there, it doesnt work in ANY region

Oemenia (talk) 10:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Xbox 360 Backward Compatibility Software... new page?

Main page: Talk:Xbox 360 system software/Archive 1 § Xbox 360 Backward Compatibility Software

I think that there should be a page detailing the history of version updates to this software. Please discuss under main thread. LobStoR (talk) 06:25, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Puyo Pop Fever?

If you look at the compatibility list, and compare it to the Puyo Pop Fever page here, you'll notice something. Microsoft's list says only the US version of Puyo Pop Fever is compatible. However, the game was never released in the US for Xbox. Just Europe and Japan. Theclaw1 00:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Button Cheats?

The last part of this article, which says that button cheats don't work, is either outdated or untrue. I have many Xbox games running on 360, yet cheats work on every single one of them. Maybe a clarification should be done? 3L3CTRIC 33L 01:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Table?

I think it would be far more useful if this was instead presented in a table format, showing which each game is compatible with. It makes it easier to compare, and looks much better (well, not mine but I'm not very good at doing them on wikipedia). An example (like I said, I'm not very good at them) is below.

Title	Europe	Japan	North America
Simpsons Road Rage	X		X

- RedHotHeat 20:29, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Excelent.. do it! --Brazil4Linux 01:55, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

I think we should scrap this list for a few years and just leave the links to the official lists for anyone who wants this information. It is currently very out of date when compared to the official lists, and so is not of much use. I expect that after 2 or 3 years the compatibility list will stop growing and maybe then we should add the list to Wikipedia. WhizzBang 20:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The current article is now relatively up-to-date. In fact, the current Wikipedia list is actually better than Microsoft's, in at least the following ways:

• • Wikified, so it's easy to look up a title of interest.
  • Titles are correctly alphabetized (unlike the Microsoft list).
  • Titles have the actual full game names / correct spelling (unlike the Microsoft list).
  • Additional information is provided, in the form of compatibility across all regions summarized at once (along with some PAL 60hz compatibility details).

As a result, it certainly seems like the list provides added value which is not available from the Microsoft lists by themselves. -- Slordak 17:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

revision

Will they ever revise the console in the future to be compatible without forcing the user to download patches? (unsigned anonymous comment)

No....each game requires specific coding in the form of a dedicated emulator. (unsigned anonymous comment)

I suppose it's possible that newer consoles could have the emulators already installed (a la Halo/Halo 2), but who knows. Brooza 15:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

It is listed as a fact in the article that newly manufactured hard drives include the latest emulation profile. LobStoR (talk) 05:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Project Gotham Racing 2

I wish they'd make PGR2 backwards compatible, because it's different from PGR3. It has more production vehicles than PGR3, which focuses more on specially built supercars. Plus, it had better damage, and also had Porsche, which was replaced by RUF in PGR3.

• Project Gotham Racing 2 (as well as PGR 1) is now playable on the 360. - Laner 16:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Stong Possibility of some xbox games not being backwards compatible

Read this. http://www.xboxcircle.com/news/moore_talks_xbox_360_hds,_backwards_compatibility.html I think this needs to be acknowledeged that Peter Moore said this.

Read THIS: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/712/712123p1.html . Moore said himeslf that the 360 Backwards-Compatibility thing is still going.

Quality of Emulation

Are all these games being emulated properly? The Xbox 360 page essentially says the the backwards compatibility is wrought with problems. It mentions that some can have better framerates and resolution, but that there were some games that did not function well at all. Maybe someone who owns a 360 can verify this. If so, maybe this should be mentioned on the site so people who come here don't expect flawless emulation. --Thaddius 16:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Microsoft own 360s, so I think they'd be sure there are problems. But, yeah. A few. The FAQ in the back compat page has a list of known problems. If it isn't noted, I'll see if I can add it. --RabidZombie 18:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Bah. I can't add it in without it sounding right. I don't really want to disturb the flow of the article as it currently stands. --RabidZombie 18:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

My Forza emulation omits the "turbine" loading icon. I have also had some graphics problems, but it's fine otherwise. 67.188.172.165 18:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The "turbine" loading icon works on my version of Forza on both mine and my friend's 360, so I've changed the notes from "turbine icon is missing" to "turbine icon may be missing".--72.29.232.74 22:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

It's probable that it was just one of the many emulation profiles that were fixed via future updates. After all, look at the difference in time between when that person made his comment, and when you made yours. Nearly a full year has passed by since then. So yes, it's likely it was just a problem that was fixed. --Venomaru 2.0 13:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

there is some issues still in 2020 to this day observed on xbox 360 despite this console being long discontinued hello (talk) 17:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

PAL50/60 Status

Given that PAL50 games are unable to run via the VGA cable on the 360, it would be VERY useful to include an indicator of whether the title includes a PAL60 mode. There is no existing list of PAL60 games online that I can find, but I'm sure a few people and a little bit of time could determine which are compliant. Halo 2, KotOR, Jade Empire and Fable are PAL60 for sure, whereas Halo 1, Half Life 2, Doom 3 and the Halo 2 DLC/update screens aren't. We can start from there. --Walshicus

• I've added battle engine aquila, and worm's forts: under seige 60hz compatibility, and reinstated halo 2. guiltyspark 12:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

• Would it be a good idea to mark which games are definately NOT compatible with PAL 60? -- Brooza 22:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• Maybe add a new column, next to PAL, for PAL-60, with Yes, No, or Unknown. guiltyspark 23:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• Added new column with the information known at the moment -- Brooza 16:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I found [this document] on PAL-60 games which covers at least some more info not currently shown here. Having just bought a 360 with VGA cable and found the hard way that Ghost Recon 2 does not run in 60Hz mode, I am keen to see this list improved. Agree/Disagree with the addition from this list ? deepcut 20 February 2007

New update

As posted on major nelson and xbox.com there are new additions or updates. Unfortunately there isn't a complete December 15th list for PAL gamers that correctly doesn't list Soul Caliber 2. I have emailed Major Nelson regarding this problem and am awaiting a response before making any changes to that section. It is very likely that that section is inaccurate. I will be completely updating the Japanese and North American sections in just a few moments. Momo Hemo 16:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I have finally finished updating and syncing the Japanese and NA lists. As soon as I get an official complete PAL list I will do that as well.Momo Hemo 23:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Why were these changes made?

Dead or Alive Ultimate is listed as backwards compatible on both the PAL version on the official lists. Why was this changes made? Momo Hemo 08:08, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Number of available games

The opening blurb states that the number of available games are: US 298, EU 295 and JPN 71. However, the table shows US 299, EU 254 and JPN 77. Brooza 22:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

It's a question of how these are counted. For example, the Grand Theft Auto "Double Pack" is not really a unique set of games (it's just Vice City and GTA3 together). As a result, Microsoft does not count it as a separate backwards-compatible title. However, because the versions of the games in the package are actually slightly different than the previous versions, the package apparently gets its own entry. Confusing, and we could remove it, but it is this sort of thing which causes the numbers to "not quite add up". --Slordak 17:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah right, that makes sense Brooza 23:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Star Wars: The Clone Wars

Why is this game on the list? It says it doesn't work in any of the regions. I think it should be taken off. Interrupt_feed 17:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• The version with Tetris Worlds on the same disc is not playable. The standalone version is. - Laner 16:23, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

The Spongebob Squarepants Movie

The Spongebob Squarepants movie works. Put it on the list please. KdogDS 00:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

It's already on the list. For some reason (probably to try and mirror the Microsoft list), titles starting with "The" are sorted under "T". On the official Microsoft list, *most* titles starting with "The" are sorted under "T", but this is not entirely consistent, leading to confusion. As a result, the list here attempts to be more consistent about alphabetization, although it could very reasonably be argued that these titles shouldn't be under "T" at all. -- Slordak 14:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Edit (15:07, 23 February 2007) by 72.159.128.118

There's a lot of fundamental changes to the list, including PAL compatability for games not on the MS list (ie Bistro Cupid, which, as far as I'm aware was never released in PAL territories). Can anyone confirm the legitimacy of these changes, or should it be reverted? -- Brooza (signing comment Brooza 21:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC))

I'm reverting at least a portion of these changes, due to the fact that Japanese-only titles such as Bistro Cupid appear nowhere on the official European / PAL lists. Some of the others may need reverting as well, subject to confirmation. -- Slordak 15:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

In fact, I'm seeing a disturbing trend in general, which is that games which don't appear on the official list for a country are simply being added by users (i.e. marked as "Yes"), perhaps based on personal experience. If a title doesn't appear on the official list or another list at some defined location, it's essentially original resource, which is not the goal. --Slordak 14:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Although the PAL60 list is original research, as I don't think there is a comprehensive list anywhere else —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brooza (talk • contribs) 10:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

Jet Set Radio Future?

• !? How can you guys not include whether or not this works on an Xbox 360? Someone please check (or I'll do it...if I can find my JSRF disc) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.123.251.204 (talk) 05:22, 15 April 2007 (UTC).

• It's not on Microsoft's list of compatible titles. If a title isn't compatible in any region, it's simply not on the list; there's no need to have a line of all "No" entries. --Slordak 13:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

• JSRF was on Kotaku's updated list of backwards compatible games [1], and since they get their info straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak, they should be a trusted source. -- Interrupt_feed 03:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

• Microsoft released the update and Kotaku posted their list on April 19th. The above question was asked on April 15th. Hence, at the time, it was not on any list and was not backwards compatible. --Slordak 14:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

• Ah. I didn't think to take that into account. My bad. -- Interrupt_feed 20:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

WHAT ABOUT OTHER REGIONS?

what about south-asia, middle east etc. are the games listed in this page compatible there too 59.92.50.172 11:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)binarymoron

southeast asia and the middle east are in the stone age and do not matter. --unsigned

Err, rather than being insulting, why don't we just note that Microsoft has specified backwards compatibility only in terms of these three regions. I'm not clear on how the other regions relate to this. -- Slordak 14:14, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

umm... I think that these regions are considered part of the PAL standard. Aren't they??? 3L3CTRIC 33L 01:11, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I think Middle East and Australia fall in with Europe (EMEA) - Brooza 22:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Glitch Task Force

I've noticed that a substantial level of glitches have been reported and added to the article. As such, I believe we should start a wikipedia-based glitch task force. That is to say, we independently verify each glitch reported historically and currently, at which point we add or remove said glitch from the article. Older glitches should be checked to see if they've been corrected with the latest update. Also, in addition to that, many of the glitches listed don't specify which region the glitch occurs in, that too should be amended; perhaps by adding an NTSC, PAL, or ALL tag before each glitch. --Venomaru 2.0 06:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

-This is a good idea. I for one can verify that Scarface still runs best in 1080i. Which..I find odd, since that's more of a load on the processor than 480i or p is. 68.113.11.136 08:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Might also be a good idea communally to re-check glitched games whenever new updates arrive. Right now I'm dreading replaying the 3rd level of Panzer Dragoon Orta (PAL); I don't know whether I still have the muscle memory for that game! --JohannVisagie 07:49, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind

It seems that This list is missing the Capatibility of Elder SCrolls 3 to The Xbox and Xbox 360, I'm sure this will be an easy one for anyone to do, should they have both an Xbox and Xbox 360. (In the appropriate version of it of course.)

St. Fenix 22:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Any title which does not appear on the list is not backwards compatible. Microsoft does not list titles which we would mark as "No" for all regions on the list. While it may be tempting to do original research and confirm that certain titles are indeed not backwards compatible, these do not belong on the list and hence please refrain from doing so. --Slordak 13:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

The list has just been updated on Xbox.com and Morrowind is now on the backwards compatibility list. --70.162.189.239 07:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

The list states that 'Only the Game of the Year Edition is supported on PAL consoles.' However I have the Classics PAL version and it runs fine. Microsoft's own list makes no mention that only the GotY is supported. Is this an error? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.98.24 (talk) 18:40, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Online

I have a question in addtion to I think the answer should be included in the article... the question is if a game is backward compatible on the 360 does that mean that it is also compatible with xbox live. in other words. (like halo) is it possible to play orginal xbox games on the 360 and play someone else online with the same game. I think this would be beneficial to include in some way in the article.

The original Halo game wasn't an XBOX Live game, so that definately won't work.

... But if the question is, "Is it possible for a person using an Xbox to take on another person using an Xbox 360 in a game of Halo 2?", then the answer is "Yes". --Slordak 13:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

That was part of the question I only used halo as an example. but does this same thing apply for all backwards compatible xbox live compatible games? (Poweroverwhelming 22:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC))

Well, I know I'm almost 3 years late in answering your question, but I might as well answer anyways. As long as the servers for the original xbox game haven't been shut down, then it will work. Some games like GoldenEye: Rouge Agent had their online servers shut down so you can't play online anymore but for most other games like Halo 2, you can still play online. —Preceding unsigned comment added by General Heed (talk • contribs) 01:54, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Breakdown compatible?

If Breakdown really does crash the instant you press a button, as it says in the notes section, shouldn't that be a definite "No" in the compatibility table? Sloverlord 14:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Compatibility doesn't mean what you think it does, the definition of compatibility on this list/chart is essentially: "Does it have an emulation profile? Yes/No". So regardless if it works, if the emulation profile exists, then it's compatible. --Venomaru 2.0 16:28, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Is that really what we want? I think when people come to this page and look at that table, the question they have is "Can I play this game on my XBox 360?" not "Does an emulation profile exist for this game?" Sloverlord 11:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Well perhaps so, yes. But the chart is designed to show off any given facet of backwards compatibility. So if the game has an emulation profile, and runs in any small way, then it's added to the list. The notes section beside each game will inform people as to how well it runs, or if it has any glitches in general. After all, a game that crashes the instant you press a button is still better than a game that can't load at all, that isn't backwards compatible at all. --Venomaru 2.0 19:01, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

KOTOR 1-2

These are both backwards compatible, but at times will have a loud sound(it's difficult to describe) screech out of the game. Can anybody verify whether this is just my xbox, or a common issue?--The Shroud 14:26, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Does this occur at specific times etc? I have one of them and can check this - Brooza 13:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes. I have personally had this same audio problem with KOTOR 2 (NTSC/US) on my Xbox 360. However, note that Wikipedia frowns on original research, so... Be forewarned. --Slordak 19:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The trouble is, isn't original research the only way to check through the PAL-60 compatibility, as there seem to be no other sites that mention this? - Brooza 11:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Freedom Fighters

Why is this listed if it has 3 NOs and 1 Unknown?? --Endless Dan 14:37, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I removed it, I checked on all 4 of Microsoft's official lists, and it's not listed on any of them. --Venomaru 2.0 14:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

It has been re-added to the list as of November 27, 2007 (NA version only) Smootht (talk) 14:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

other Halo 2 glitches

A while back I reported to Microsoft another unnoticed glitch with Halo 2. I reported that the Backwash multiplayer map has serious performance issues. It was added to the official page a day or two later. I just added it to the wikipedia page, because for whatever reason, no one saw the need to put it in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firebomb 87 (talk • contribs) 18:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory

I've been trying to play it, but it keeps saying a new update is needed. It used to work and now it doesn't. Maybe it was that last update? Who knows? It mentions something different, not a bunch of numbers, but the Red X screen says: Version: 1.0

Anyone??? Vicious203 (talk) 01:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Working fine for me, im on PAL so i should have MORE problems —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.181.242 (talk) 03:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Thief: Deadly Shadows

Removed "Also, moving the camera seems to lower the resolution while it's in motion; once camera is stopped the game goes back to HD resolution." While I know what you are talking about, it is actually not the resolution changing, as that would be bad in game to suddenly switch resolutions. It is actually present in the pc version as well, I forget the exact details, I think it has to do with their motion blur system but the game looks pixelated as you move the camera around. --Uselesswarrior (talk) 17:56, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto Series

It should also be noted that any GTA games do not support a custom radio soundtrack like the original Xbox version does. Though the station is still there, it will not play any music on the hard drive to my understanding. Ledgo (talk) 17:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I have just gotten off the phone with Rockstar tech support, it is from the horses mouth itself, that San Andreas, or any other GTA game does not support Xbox 360 custom radio stations. The operator seen that I knew what I was talking about and gave me the news straight forward...

San Andreas, for example, is look for a folder. It's directery could be called XBOX:/MUSIC:/

Now, Xbox 360 could store it's music in X360:/MUSIC/

Basically, GTA is looking for the old Xbox folder, but the music is actually in a different folder. I think this should be included in the graph because it is a feature that is missing/and/or a problem. Ledgo (talk) 15:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The Terminator: Dawn of Fate

For the longest time, this game was listed as having no problems in any region. I recently bought a sealed NTSC copy of the game off Amazon.com and popped it into my 360 only to discover many problems in the emulation. The framerate drops dramatically in many areas. Many times in-game audio dialogue will not play at all, and there are numerous graphical glitches throughout the game. This is only for the NTSC version of the game and I do not know if the other regions work better or worse. I have made the appropriate corrections on the main page for this game. So just letting you all know.--SockableClaw 07:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Panzer Dragoon Orta

I have heard that the unlockable version of the original Panzer Dragoon, based off the PC port, is not playable on the 360. However, I have not independently verified this.--SkiDragon (talk) 00:57, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Any used to play DRIV3R or DRIVER: parrell lines?

Why aren't these game backwards compatible? I tried them in the 360 but the error message comes up with the x stuff! why? from UltimateMASS

ANSWER: Driv3r only works on a RGH/JTAGGED xbox 360, it does run nicely(performance-wise), however, the game's AI is broken as the driving enemies tend to crash, breaking the game and sequences supposed to happen, as a result, you cannot get the chase Bacuss mission passed, he crashes causing a game breaking event. Just wont load anything else.

Star Wars Battlefront: II Online Glitch?

I decided to ask this here before adding it to the page because I'm not completely sure if this is an actual glitch in the emulation profile or it's just something that has been happening to me. Whenever I press ANY buttons while playing online my character moves to the right. Has this been happening to anybody else and is it a true glitch? -208.157.190.64 (talk) 02:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Outrun 2: graphical glitches severe, not just slight

Many thanks for this list; I appreciate it very much. However, I have just purchased Outrun 2 to play the original (1986) arcade game on my 360 and found that the graphical glitches are not just slight, but really severe. For example, the clouds and other background during the race show that they are composed of squared elements, like from a modified font. This completely spoils the arcade feel and fun for me. --217.232.208.44 (talk) 17:04, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

There are more issues to Outrun 2. The stage data is not always loaded in time, causing the player's car to drive into a white void, where obstacles are invisible and thus driving properly is practically impossible.--217.232.214.185 (talk) 17:34, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Baulder's Gate Dark Alliance: Yes for NA NTSC?

IS it me, or is this inaccurate? I have borrowed the game from a friend and could not get it to run on my Xbox 360, and received the message that it is incompatible. I live in the US and had the system since February 2009.98.80.87.103 (talk) 19:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Glitches/Notes section

Notes from Glitches/Notes section must be verifiable or should be removed. OckhamTheFox (talk) 22:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Is Microsoft done with updates?

It's been almost 2 years since Microsoft's last update. Are they ever going to release anymore updates for backwards compatibility. I'm specifically looking forward to a game called MechAssault (the original version). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.241.152 (talk) 22:12, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with this question. Has all Xbox Backward Compatibility development official been canceled by Microsoft? Regarding "MechAssault", I also do not understand why this title hasn't been made compatible yet. Microsoft claimed that they would concentrate backwards compatibility development on their best-selling titles first, and this title sold enough copies for Microsoft to re-release it as a "Platinum Hit". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.10.127.58 (talk) 21:29, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

As best as I can tell, they have cut all support for BC. They haven't had an update in years and you can't even find reference to BC on xbox.com beyond the existing XBox Original downloads. I dobut anything would convince them to start putting out updates again. To be honest, I wish they would just unlock the exist BC and allow us to play "untested" games so we can try them out ourselves. Gumbyx84 (talk) 23:43, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Exernal links

All the MS links now show file not found and I can not find the list of working games on the MS site I have updated the help pages I found working. If anyone can find the list of working games on the MS site please add it back. --Sattmaster (talk) 21:28, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I've been looking for the list since I got my 360 in November and haven't had any luck. Someone will have to contact MS and see if there is an official list anymore. --Gumbyx84 (talk) 23:35, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Halo 2 "weapon stretching"

Under a the list of known issues for Halo 2 it states: "Temporary "weapon stretching" if Halo 3 is played on the 360. Average period of how long this occurs is 2-3 months." I can't verify this. Having played both games on the same lcd monitor, I had no issues. And what does "weapon stretching" mean. He quoted it like we are automatically supposed to know what he is referring to. If someone could look into this, that would be great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.126.3.234 (talk) 16:37, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I know what character stretching is, but I've never heard of weapon stretching 75.174.0.108 (talk) 23:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Hacked Backwards Compatibility v5829 (for JTAG'd systems)

Maybe something should be added about this version? It will let you try to run any game, not just the officially supported ones, though many still don't work, and some work but with major glitches. Still, probably needs at least a mention. http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EkylZEkAlFKJfRqeTb.php 99.130.31.192 (talk)

Has anyone tested it yet? If so, what games do run under it? It might be worth updating the article for it, but only if we know which games work and don't work under it and to what extent. General Heed (talk) 02:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd be up for testing it if I knew my 360 wouldn't get banned from Live if I used it. Anyone know for sure? Gumbyx84 (talk) 23:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Game listed is not backwards compatible.

The Warriors game is not backwards compatible or at least it's not on NTSC consoles. LadyC84 (talk) 06:00, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

I also have had this problem with The Warriors PAL (EU) version. Kraigy (talk) 03:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't get why this is listed as compatible as clearly the internet is full of people stating it's not (as is my own experience). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.22.108.221 (talk) 12:19, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Crazy Taxi 3 vandalism or no?

If memory servers, Crazy Taxi 3 is not BC with the 360. It looks like this used to be Crime Life:Gang Wars. I think it might be vandalism, but I'm not sure since MS no longer has their official list online — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryal-oh (talk • contribs) 03:35, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Microsoft confirmed in November 2008 that they are no longer going add tiltes to the list

on Good game sp the Australian xbox 360 is fully backwads compadible —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.109.92 (talk) 02:52, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

KOTOR II combat framerate

I'm not sure this is a problem introduced by the emulation software. I recall this being issue back when I played it on the original Xbox.--24.147.62.26 (talk) 21:11, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

PainKiller: Hell wars

Is it possible to run PainKiller: Hell wars on XBox 360? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.80.220.59 (talk) 12:08, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

X-Men Legends PAL BC

The current page states that X-Men Legends is backwards-compatible on PAL systems at 50hz. I can confirm that this is not true; X-Men Legends does not work on my PAL 360. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.211.139.6 (talk) 05:47, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Red Card 20-03 - Moldovan

Does that mean the game will boot up in Romanian on a 60hz Xbox 360? FokkerTISM 09:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

That was vandalism, someone turned "No" into "Mo", thereby making it "Moldovan". Same with The Sims 2.– Nohomers48 (talk • contribs) 11:27, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Spy vs Spy

To anyone who's still monitoring this page: I've removed Spy vs Spy from this list. It isn't compatible with either NTSC nor PAL and has no widescreen support. It isn't on the official list of compatible games either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvinhermse (talk • contribs) 07:16, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

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50hz/60hz, serious issues?

The PAL section of this list is hilariously wrong. First, all Xbox games support 50hz mode at the very least, the only 6th gen console that had 60hz only games was the GameCube. Secondly, neither Armed and Dangerous not Batman Rise of Sin Zsu have 60hz support, and yet you say batman's 60hz only? What? It needs another overhaul, and some serious testing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trailblazer34 (talk • contribs) 01:26, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

original xbox transfer kit was mentioned here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games_compatible_with_Xbox_360#Compatibility around the bottom of the post

on the compatibility section mentioned was a special transfer kit that uses original xbox memory card to transfer original xbox saves to a 360 with out modding you are definitely not talking about the microsoft hdd transfer kit or datel xstasa or the datel xbox 360 memory unit transfer kit or and action replay or gameshark because you would need a original xbox version which doesn't work on xbox 360 so what are you talking about

Arctic Thunder

Not sure who the wise guy was that edited this in with no citation to support the claim. It's not in the official list, it doesn't boot, and the useless entry showed it doesn't work in any region. The article is for games on the BC list. Those that aren't, don't go on this list just to be shown as not compatible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:A645:2100:F9FB:2B35:A91C:5565 (talk) 00:04, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

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Removed Cold Fear and Cold War

Again, games not compatible in any region, don't go on this list. This list is a list of Xbox games compatible on the Xbox 360. Games not compatible on the system don't go on the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:A645:2100:A8E6:54F8:DC7B:101B (talk) 04:01, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

The Warriors is compatible

The Warriors is compatible by the fact that it boots instead of not loading anything, that alone is compatibility, the fact that it freezes at the loading screen doesn't mean it isn't compatible, it means it's unplayable. Just like Def Jam: Fight for NY, it does boot but freezes at the loading screen. So what shouldn't be in this list is the games that doesn't boot at all.

--Chupadordepiroka (talk) 18:47, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Games not on the compatibility list do not belong here.

Just because you can get a title screen to fire up with a hacked Xbox 360, doesn't make it backwards compatible. No titles not officially on the backwards compatibility list belongs in this, no matter how well in may run with hacked software.

Only games officially on the list below will even attempt to boot with hardware that hasn't been tampered with.

https://support.xbox.com/en-US/legacy-devices/original-console/play-original-games

I'm removing the following games below. Gone are those listed as compatible in North America that aren't on that list above. Also gone are the obviously erroneous titles that aren't shown as compatible in any region. There's certainly still vandalism in the Japan and PAL lists, but I don't have official compatibility lists to scan those to confirm my suspicions.

Alien Hominid Area 51 Army Men: Major Malfunction Backyard Wrestling 2: There Goes the Neighborhood Barbarian BloodRayne Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Combat Taskforce: 121 Crash Tag Team Racing The Dukes of Hazzard: Return of the General Lee Dr. Seuss' The Cat in The Hat Ex Chaser Exaskeleton Family Guy Video Game! Fight Night Round 2 Fight Night Round 3 Finding Nemo Forgotten Realms: Demon Stone High Rollers Casino Ice Age 2: The Meltdown Kung Fu Chaos James Bond 007: Nightfire Mad Dash Racing Mashed Fully Loaded Otogi: Myth of Demons Otogi 2: Immortal Warriors Panzer Elite Action: Fields of Glory Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones Scaler Shrek 2 Showdown: Legends of Wrestling Sniper Elite Star Trek: Shattered Universe Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast Star Wars: Obi-Wan Star Wars: The Clone Wars Superman Returns Tao Feng: Fist of the Lotus The Sims The Warriors Tenchu: Return From Darkness Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005 ToeJam & Earl III: Mission to Earth Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Lockdown UEFA Champions League 2004-2005 V8 Supercars 2 Wallace & Gromit in Project Zoo X-Men: Next Dimension X-Men: The Official Game

If one wants to re-add one of these, provide an official citation proving compatibility. And this time, also correctly alphabetize them. Our JTAG Xbox 360 fan wasn't even trying to get it right as he added his entries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:A645:2100:68B0:A887:A5DB:349C (talk) 14:41, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

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Cleaned up article and merge of List of Xbox Originals into this article

Hi just noting here that the merge of List of Xbox Originals into this article that was discussed at WP:VG has been completed. I also cleaned up the article to remove the tags that had been present for several years and also bring its appearance more in line with List of backward compatible games for Xbox One. I tried to find sources for everything on the page but for some information I was not able to and removed it to clear up the tags. The information I removed due to lack of sources was:

• Columns for NTSC (NA), NTSC (JP), PAL (EU, AU, NZ), Widescreen - I couldn't find sources verifying this information and the official list from Microsoft only had 27 games clearly tagged as being compatible with NA consoles only.
• 50 Hz, 60 Hz colums under PAL - See above
• Notes - All information in regards to glitches, game saves, frame rate issues, sound issues, etc. I couldn't find sources for after searching for 5 hours with both Google and Bing. I ended up removing the information and using the column only for specific notes about a title that was included with its source (i.e. which games are only supported on NA consoles.)
• Games - I removed the following games from the list because I couldn't find any reliable sources about their compatibility and because they were not included on the official list from Microsoft. I triple checked the list on the US site, EU site & JP site and its all the same now. Games removed: FIFA Football 2005, Innocent Tears, Junko Takahashi's Mahjong Seminar, Kunio Yonenaga's Shogi Seminar, Lake Masters, Mashed Fully Loaded, Meet the Robinsons, Muzzle Flash, NBA Live 2005, Nobunaga no Yabou: Ranseiki, Petit Copter, Plus Plumb 2, Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones, Pro Cast Sports Fishing, Psyvariar 2: Extended Edition, Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc, Rent-A-Hero No. 1, Surf's Up, Tecmo Classic Arcade, Tenerezza, Tetsuya Nakajima's Othello Seminar, TMNT, World Championship Pool 2004, X-Men Legends & Yukari Umesawa's Igo Seminar.

  Please do not add any of these titles back without a reliable source as Microsoft hasn't confirmed their compatibility with Xbox 360. Also not sure why TMNT (video game) was there since its own Wiki article says it was released for the Xbox 360 outright and not as an original Xbox title.

If anyone has any questions about the re-write I did to the article to remove the WP:OR and WP:VERIFY tags please let me know. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 07:31, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Wonderful, but wouldn't this make sense as a fused list just tagged as "Download" and "Disk" instead of separate ones? Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 13:40, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Zero Serenity: That was my initial plan was doing one fused list while tagging which were available digitally but I also wanted to retain as much of the information in the two articles as much as possible. Upon searching for sources it was easier to find sources for titles that were made available digitally versus the physical only titles. System-link play functions for original Xbox titles that are back-compat for both Xbox 360 and Xbox One are all available digitally on both platforms as well. So I thought it would be easier & cleaner to have two separate lists since all the disc only games have one source with few having notes while the digital titles have multiple sources and notes. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 19:01, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Okay so I have visited this page many times over the years as it has been an excellent resource, and today I find it has essentially been vandalised by the wholesale deletion of vast swathes of invaluable info about which games support different refresh rates, resolutions, regions, detailed info on compatibility issues etc. - all on the spurious grounds that you couldn't find sources? This is ridiculous. I would like to see this massive change undone. Elysium44 (talk) 22:53, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

@Elysium44: I found an old link from Microsoft about technical issues with some titles I integrated that list into this article. All other technical issues that were present in the article before the re-write took place can't be added back because they fail both of Wikipedia's verifiability and no original research policies. If there are technical issues that are not present that you find please feel free to add them to the list but they must be cited by reliable sources. A list of video-game related reliable sources can be found at WP:VGRS. If you prefer the old list I found a copy of it on the Xbox Wikia site (link here) which is where it should be. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 15:02, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@Alucard 16: Thank you, that is a big improvement. I apologise for using the term vandalism, I realise now that that is heavily frowned upon here and I didn't mean to imply you operated in bad faith by rewriting the article, it was more a reflection of my shock at how much had been removed. I will also bookmark the Wikia link for future reference. Elysium44 (talk) 15:35, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@Elysium44: No worries thank you for the apology I appreciate it. I can understand your viewpoint about massive changes to a frequently visited article. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:19, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm removing Sniper Elite

It's not on the official backwards compatibility list, which this article now reflects after several years of being anything but (Thanks to the person that cleaned it up).

https://support.xbox.com/en-US/legacy-devices/original-console/play-original-games

Also if one wants to add this note, Richard Burns Rally never released in North America. Was announced, but was cancelled at the last minute. Was such a last minute cancellation that the next North American backwards compatibility list update included compatibility for it with August 2006 update, leaving it as a Euro exclusive.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/xbox/919217-richard-burns-rally/data — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:A645:2100:68B0:A887:A5DB:349C (talk) 07:48, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Good eye on Sniper Elite I must have missed that one when I cleaned up the list. In regards to Richard Burns Rally if possible I would recommend finding another source instead of GameFaqs since it is considered to be an unreliable source. For more information about what is and isn't a reliable source I recommend checking outWP:VGRS#Reliable sources which has a good comprehensive list of websites that are reliable for Wikipedia. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 09:55, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Tecmo Classic Arcade

I see this was removed, since it wasn't on the list posted at Xbox.com

Good reason to remove it, but alas, it's not accurate in this particular instance. Tecmo Classic Arcade was one of the first games to join the backwards compatibility program.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/360-to-play-200-plus-xbox-games/1100-6139702/

It also saw an update in 2007 to improve emulation performance on the 360.

https://www.wired.com/2007/11/xbox-360-back-c/

The caveat is that you have to be running your 360 in 480i or 480p for the game to actually work, with HD resolutions making this game throw an error. But it still works to this day on a non-modified Xbox 360.

What sort of reference do we need to restore this one? Xbox.com has no mention of it ever having been or still being present on the BC list, even though it actually is. So I'm afraid an official Microsoft source is out of the question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:A645:2100:F123:8575:FB3D:180A (talk) 08:16, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

If there are reliable sources that says a game is backwards compatible but missing from Microsoft's official list then it can be added back with some reliable sources. The GameSpot article and the one from Wired.com you provided are both good examples of reliable sources. For more information on what is and isn't considered a reliable source I recommend reading WP:VGRS which covers all types of reliable sources. To check to see if a particular website is a reliable source like Wired.com check out WP:VGRS#Reliable sources. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 09:58, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Actually it seems they removed it when they finalized the list. I created a section for the games that were originally part of the program but no longer included on their official master list now. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 12:10, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

I can confirm changing to 480p makes Tecmo Arcade Classics run on my unmodified Xbox 360 S. Thanks for the tip! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2D80:5210:A900:99E1:124F:A862:6387 (talk) 17:22, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

In regards to Sniper Elite and Tecmo Classic Arcade

In regards to the titles Sniper Elite and Tecmo Classic Arcade I noticed that Microsoft removed both of these titles when they revamped the Xbox site after they finished adding titles to Xbox 360's backward compatibility feature in 2008. Prior to this they also removed seven other titles from the list and never added them back. I re-added both Sniper Elite and Tecmo Classic Arcade back to the list along with the other seven titles but under a new section titled List of Xbox titles removed from backward compatibility list with notes explaining their removal dates. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Recent edits

@Neverrainy: Please don't remove style="width:%;" | from the tables as the columns will become smashed together on a normal desktop view. Also please don't remove alternate titles without a discussion this list was designed to be consistent with List of Xbox games. I have reverted the changes for now until a discussion and consensus can be achieved please don't revert. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 02:44, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

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Greg Hastings' Tournament Paintball

I have just tested this game and it does work on Xbox 360 even though it is not on the official Microsoft list. The official Microsoft list only includes Greg Hastings' Tournament Paintball Max'd. Not sure whether to add it as I do not have a source — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander21M (talk • contribs) 11:29, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

sonic heroes on xbox 360 backwards compatibility

there is also a fonts rendering issue also seen visually in some parts of the game on xbox original backwards compatible title sonic Heroes please add that note to the list hello (talk) 17:33, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Crash Twinsanity Lag Issues

In the PAL release at least this game likes to lag at certain parts, and the cutscenes can sometimes de-sync with the animations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lorenzsandi (talk • contribs) 04:58, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

reverting changes

please don;t revert changes as this article needs a update from people that own original xbox games as this article should be getting new information from people instead of old outdated websites from the way back machine as the old xbox site is so long gone and no longer updated anymore Superusergeneric (talk) 20:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Does the original Godfather game work on Xbox 360?

I have been wondering with the original Godfather will work on xbox 360, because I have been wanting the play the original xbox version on my xbox 360, so if anyone knows please tell me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolguy1765 (talk • contribs) 14:45, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this is not a forum for discussion of the topic itself. If the game does not appear in the article, or in the official Xbox support article on the subject, then I'm afraid it's not compatible. --McDoobAU93 17:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

xbox live original functionality

some original xbox games with xbox live features no longer work after original xbox live was discontinued in 2010 Superusergeneric (talk) 01:46, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

super monkey ball Deluxe

the game super monkey ball Deluxe has over a 2 minute startup time on xbox 360 the startup time is less on the original xbox Superusergeneric (talk) 00:16, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

some games that are Xbox live enabled need to be updated to say a notice about the original Xbox live service.

some Xbox original games need this notice on games that are original Xbox live features enabled

"Original Xbox Live features no longer function since the original Xbox Live service was shut down."

and Namco Museum on the original Xbox crashes on HD 720P and above it works fine in the 480P resolution Superusergeneric (talk) 17:08, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Anything in the notes section needs to be backed by a reliable source. Also the list notes the original Xbox Live service was shut down in the History section so no additional notes are needed on that topic. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 19:59, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

note it doesn't specifically say what games it is reliable sources most of them have been long gone over a decade ago and Microsoft hasn't since back then didn't fully examine what is going on for namco museum on the original xbox does crash unexpectedly i tested this time and time again you have to note that reliable sources should now come from users individually Microsoft has already long abandoned the backwards compatibility on xbox 360 Superusergeneric (talk) 20:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Please read WP:OR, WP:RS and WP:GAMESOURCES. In a nutshell WP:OR outlines what is and isn't original research. Putting issues/errors in the notes tab from the personal experiance of the editors goes against WP:OR policy. Using editors, self-published sources, YouTube videos from non-notable creators, etc goes against WP:RS. WP:GAMESOURCES is an excellent resource on where to find gaming related sources including a custom Google search engine. If a game Microsoft notes as backwards compatiable keeps crashing on me but there are no reliable sources to back up what I'm experiencing does not go into the article. That kind of information is better suited for Wikis like Fandom (website) or another fan-type website. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 21:08, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

uh last time i checked there was no xbox backwards compatible wiki for xbox 360 to be honest with you most sites that are fandom based aren't so invested things like that much Superusergeneric (talk) 21:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)