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Update

I think you should update all sales like Rihanna's sales. The Beatles has sold more than 1 billion records, Elvis has sold 800 million, Michael has sold 750 million and Madonna has sold more than 500 million records everyone knows that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navyiconer (talk • contribs) 12:10, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

No. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 14:13, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I didn't ask you. You are not own of wikipedia. Why are you everywhere? Who do you think you are? Hopefully someone will destroy you. Enough is enough! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navyiconer (talk • contribs) 20:47, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Good luck! —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 20:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Wiki!!!

Wow Rihanna is going to be with Madonna soon But the question is why Katy Perry still down with claimed sales much lower than her certificated sales?????? And Where is Adele? 46.128.217.82 (talk) 23:22, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Adele will be in here by the end of this year, we already has the 90m-sales claim of her. We just wait when she release her new album in this month. Politsi (talk) 05:22, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Beyonce with 85m-records from Daily Mirror

Harout. Like I said that we should try to keep all sources in the list from a broadsheet newspaper. But for some cases, we should make an exception as long as that's a necessary things. I think it's time to raise Beyonce claim sales to 85m-records. I've found this source (http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/glastonbury-2011-beyonce-reunite-destinys-137021) and so far there's no other source stated the same claim like Daily Mirror did. I think we should use this source only for temporary. And once her certification sales reach 76 million, we can put her at the 100m-list with more reliable source (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-12-14/entertainment/chi-beyonce-album-review-beyonce-self-titled-album-reviewed-20131214_1_album-review-bill-werde-delivery). Harout, what do you think? thanks. Politsi (talk) 12:23, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Let's use the 75 million for Beyonce when she hits the 70 million mark with her certified sales. She's still 7.5 million units away, so we still have time. As for the the 100 million claim, we should implement that when she's at around 85 million.--Harout72 (talk) 13:59, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Harout, I still feel we should move her position up to 85m-records since her certification sales is adequate with the claim calculation. Beside, we should put more respect with the new artists in the last decade in which piracy and illegal downloading/copying is very high. I believe Beyonce, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Stefani Germanotta, and Bruno Mars will have a very high certification sales if there's no piracy act at this moment. Therefore, if their certification sales meet the requirement, we should put them in where they are should be. My concern regarding with Beyonce's 85m-claim is the reliable source not available to use. Harout, If I found the 85m-claim sales for Beyonce from a very prestigious newspaper, will you agree with me to move her up on the list?. What do you think?. Politsi (talk) 06:00, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Kylie Minogue update

Hi there, I am a fan of Kylie, but I'm trying not to be bias as possible. I am responsible in editing most of her articles on Wikipedia, and additionally, I did some research and tiding up on sales (no boasting haha). I have conducted research on certified units and sales for nearly each country I could find, using several resources (online and offline). Recently, it has been claimed that Minogue has sold more between 75-80 million records (link here for 80 million, link here for 75 million, and here.) Which states that the artists must sell over 75 million records to be included on the list, but needs the certified units. Listed below are the countries that I had research that have official claimed certified units that Minogue has earned throughout her 28 years in the music business; some of these links include already claimed sales and the official certifications from organisation such as British Phonographic Industry, Recorded Music NZ, etc.:

In total, her claimed certified sales would tally up to 25.884 million certified units, which, according to the best selling artist list, is higher than the lowest listed artist on the best selling list, American recording artist Aretha Franklin, with 24.5 million certified units, and Minogue has sold the same amount of sales as Franklin (75-80 million units). So, based on these statistics and total world sales, I believe Kylie could be included into the list as she beats the 75 million sales limit, and has over 25 million certified units. I also gathered the references from several Wikipedia articles of her album/singles/DVD releases, and searched through them as evidence for inclusion. I would like to know if this is a good inclusion to the Best selling article, that would be a helpful debate and overview (please don't be blunt on my claims, I am quite new to this statistics thing) :). I HAVE CHECKED the database provided by mediafire, but some of the single/album/DVD certifications are missing from the document, and the sales above are the most recent and include nearly every certified award by her. Thank you, CaliforniaDreamsFan (talk · contribs} 05:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Minogue need at least 45 milion in certification sales to get the 75m-sales claim and none of your sources contain above is appropriate to be use in the list. Politsi (talk) 06:06, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the swift response, but can you clarify a couple things. First, as I said, with someone like Aretha Franklin (and other listed artists: Kiss, Bob Marley, The Police, and Nirvana in the list), who all have under 45 million certified sales and just 75 million claimed sales, Minogue reaches over 25 million certified units (the country research above), which is clearly above Franklin in the list. Either their is a verified reason why they're there in the list (with 75 million claimed sales and underneath 45 million certified units), I don't understand why they're there, and why Minogue isn't exactly (and Kylie has sold over 75 million units in the sources). Also, the sources that reference world sales; I believe that sources like Billboard and New Zealand Herald are rather acceptable, if not appropriate. My apologies for the response though, I'm just not too sure and I find it a bit incomprehensible personally, and I think I need a good understanding why, and I believe your response will help me to understand. Thank you, CaliforniaDreamsFan (talk · contribs} 08:15, 25 November 2015 (UTC).
For Kylie Monigue's available certified sales, see this file, the total is 22.9 million. Minogue needs her claimed figures supported by 57.7% as she's begun charting in 1988, that is 43.2 million certified units required for a claim as high as 75 million. The requirements of the certified sales are posted in the second yellow box from the top on this talk page.--Harout72 (talk) 14:30, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2015

Beyonce sold 118 million worldwide 2601:587:101:1226:BDE8:C1DB:41FC:E8A9 (talk) 12:49, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Read the above yellow box of this page to understand how sales are listed. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 14:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

B'z

Harout.. You're not answer my question regarding Beyonce, well it means you're not interest. It's okay for me. I've seen that this Japan Duo's certification sales has been pass the 85m. We should find the better sales claim for them, but meanwhile. Please read this article from the USA Today (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/community/chat/2002-04-03-niacin.htm), it's a talk chat between a band called Niacin and inside it's said about 90m-records sales of B'z. It's possible to use that source for their 90m-records in the list temporary until we find the better one? need your opinion. Thanks Politsi (talk) 10:50, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Yeap Japan has now made all of their certifications available going back to 1989, this is the reason why B'z's certified sales shot up by that much. But that source isn't good, because it seems to be some sort of an interaction between two people. Not really a reliable article. USA Today is, however, reliable, but not that particular article.--Harout72 (talk) 16:44, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Usher

Harout.. Please check out this source (http://www.dailyrepublic.com/comics/bridge-867/) from Daily Republic, Inside it's said that Usher has sold 75m-records. Is it possible to use that source to bring Usher to the list? Need your advised. Thank you Politsi (talk) 11:04, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Politsi, I recently made further slight changes to the requirements of the certified sales as Japan has now posted all of their certifications going all the way back to 1989. This is going to affect all artists who began charting in the 90s. But with all that said, Usher is very close to being listed with 75 million claim, he just needs another 1.2 million certified units for that. His currently available certified sales are 48.6 million, he needs 49.8 million certified units as his claimed figures should be supported by 66.4%. Your source is good, once he reaches the required mark, I'll be sure to put him up on the list.--Harout72 (talk) 16:39, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Harout, is the new requirement also affect to other artists who's already in the list, especially to those who has low certification sales like Robbie Williams, Bob Marley, Kiss, Barry White, and The Who. Because a new requirement should be implemented to all artists in the list. Politsi (talk) 03:58, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
No, as I mentioned above, the changes for required certified sales amount are going to affect only the artists that have begun charting in the 90s. So those artists like Bob Marley, Kiss, Barry and The Who aren't affected. The change I made is based on the fact that the RIAJ has made all of their certifications available going back to 1989. The requirements are posted in the second yellow box from the top on this talk page Politsi. But Robbie Williams, Green Day, Tupac Shakur and other charters of the 90s are going to be affected. If they are already listed but fall short with their certified sales by 1 million units or less, we can allow them to stay. However, if the gap is bigger than 1 million, they should be removed, at least for now, until they reach the required amount. Lot of our artists are listed with very low certified sales to begin with.--Harout72 (talk) 05:13, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Aerosmith to 100m-list

Harout. I like this band, this band is one of my favorite bands. We keep them in the list with 150m-records claim so far. But what if, I put them to the 100m-list (http://news.nationalpost.com/arts/aerosmiths-steven-tyler-tells-what-it-takes-to-judge-on-american-idol) with 100m-records claim. Their certification sales actually seems not good enough for 150m-claim. Need your opinion. Thank you Politsi (talk) 06:18, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

The 100 million claim actually would be too low for them, because they are early beginners and their certified sales are over 83 million. But a figure in the neighborhood of 120 or 130 million would work if there is such a figure.--Harout72 (talk) 06:23, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Mireille Mathieu

As there is Celine Dion in your list, I guess this list doesn't include only english singers. So I think you may put Mireille Mathieu too who sold 130 millions albums.
Proof on her site (only in french): http://www.mireillemathieu.com/olympia-2014-et-tournee-en-france/#
But I haven't found many english sites explaining it. Only 2 sites:
http://www.francetoday.com/articles/2014/03/21/viking_river_cruises_makes_history.html
and
http://www.euronews.com/2014/11/12/singing-sensation-mireille-mathieu-celebrates-a-50-year-music-career/
Hoxi36 (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2015 (UTC) Hoxi36

Bruno Mars

Harout... I think it's time to bring Bruno Mars entering the 100m-list since his certification sales has been reach 78 million, and the only reliable source so far is still from Eugene Weekly/http://www.eugeneweekly.com/20140807/music/mission-mars I understand it's a tabloid but after all, at least the source is from a newspaper. We use that source only for while until I find a better source for him. Because I do agree, is not reliable to see his old 80m-claim sales while we have a quite reliable source for better sales claim for him. Harout, need your help. Thanks Politsi (talk) 02:25, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess we can move forward with his update. He needs 76.6 million certified units for 100 million claim, and he's got a million more than that. I'll move him up shortly.--Harout72 (talk) 02:40, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


Again

You always delete my comments about this list. I just want to know why you can't create two different lists: one for "albums sales" and one "singles sales". Celine Dion sold 200 million albums alone, but Rihanna is in the same category with only 25 million albums sold. Face the truth, this list is a complete disaster! And i'll write again in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.32.76.200 (talk) 13:38, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

We delete your comments because they are non-sense and a fan-cruft! This list represents sales of records (which includes albums and singles), there is no need for creating two lists when you can just combine it and if you or the interested reader reads the lead of the lists he will understand. And FYI Rihanna sold over 50 million albums and 150 million singles. — Tom(T2ME) 17:15, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


Look at her page....33 million album, not 50! But you don't want to hear. That's why this list is so full of mistakes!

Shakira

Harout. Need your help, As I remember we delete her name from the list since the rolling stones magazines claim her records sales around 60 million. But, how many of her certification sales so far? because if her certification sales is meet the requirement for 75m-sales, we should bring her back to the list. I don't have any reliable source for her 75m-claim but you have the source from a German Newspaper. We can use that source again. Harout, need your help. Thanks Politsi (talk) 03:16, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

With the new requirements, Shakira needs her claims supported by 67% certified sales, that is 50.2 million certified units for a claim as high as 75 million. Her available certified sales are only 41.5 million.--Harout72 (talk) 05:44, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2015

Céline Dion's information is not updated since 2011. She released since then 2 DVD's, and 2 albums. Those two albums reached gold and platinum. That information needs to be updated. It's claimed that Céline has sold more than 250 million of copies.

Andresd8520 (talk) 07:44, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

We've got all of her certifications, see this file for her complete certified sales. Your sources aren't reliable, and we don't update artists' claimed figures unless their certified sales are really close to the currently listed sales figures.--Harout72 (talk) 16:06, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Adele

Harout. I just want to remind us that her new album 25 and her new singles Hello, has been sold millions copies worldwide. Need your help to keep an eye in her certification sales since you're the most expert and the best editor on this. We must bring her to the list once she reach the minimum requirement for sales claim. Here the best source for her 90m-claim (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/adele-someone-like-you-34177413.html), need your help. Thanks Politsi (talk) 05:53, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

I will keep an eye on her. Her certifications from her new material are so far coming from the single "Hello". No serious change yet in the certified sales.--Harout72 (talk) 06:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Harout72, can you please place Adele's total count here now? A number of new certifications came from the album also. Just wanted to know how far she is from placing in the list. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 13:35, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
Her certified sales are 63.3 million. She still needs another 4.4 million certified units for the 90 million claim above (will be 600,000 units less once BPI posts the 2x Platinum). I'm guessing she's a few weeks away from being listed.--Harout72 (talk) 14:03, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for this. I guess another in total we can expect 3x platinum now from UK (900,000), 5x platinum from US (5,000,000 – they certified it, but RIAA has to list it). I think we are extremely close to list the album. Plus there are Hello's US certification coming, which should be another 4 million. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 14:54, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
Harout72 time to move in Adele, RIAA updated and "Hello" is 4x platinum. Plus certifications of it already passess the benchmark by a lot. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 14:26, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Yeap I know, I added her to the list yesterday.--Harout72 (talk) 15:56, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Cheers, sorry I somehow missed the addition. Great to see her on the list. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 17:42, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm happy to make this list complete, we should very active to seek another artists who's deserve to be put on the list. Otherwise, the list will be look just like a fun and relaxing thing of some editors. Not a serious and respectable sources to see the world's greatest and legendary musician ever. Politsi (talk) 05:13, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Rihanna with 264 million records claim

Harout. Need your help, according to this source (http://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/music/2015/11/23/rihanna-anti-world-tour-phoenix-concert/76285950/), she has sold 264m-records. And since she will release a new album at the end of this year, she possibly can reach that claim. Need your help Harout, how many of her certification sales to meet the 264m-claim?. Thank you Politsi (talk) 05:25, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Politsi, our next sales figure for Rihanna is going to be something a little higher than our current 191/200 million. Once she's reached 190 million, we'll first remove the 191 million claim, and then we'll consider perhaps the 230 million claims that we've seen for Rihanna in the past.--Harout72 (talk) 13:59, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Okay thanks, but just in case. Who know, Rihanna can reach that sales claim figure. We already have the 230m-claim for her. But once her certification sales reach 225 million, we already have a better claim figure for her (264 million). Politsi (talk) 01:27, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

264 million? Are you serious? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.32.76.81 (talk) 21:02, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

South Korea

I know that music industry from South Korea doesn't give certifications but is it possible to include sales from Gaon Chart? Every month they publish exact sales of singles (and maybe of albums - I don't know) and this would make this list more reliable. What do you think?

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2015

The section on the Backstreet Boys is incorrect. They have sold over 130 million albums, therefore they should be moved to the 100-119 million section to the 120-199 million section. 210.10.137.2 (talk) 08:06, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

 Not done Please refer to the giant yellow box above the page to understand how the list is compiled. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 10:49, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Mariah Carey

Mariah Carey's update to 220 million? is it time for so? what number of certified sales does Carey have to reach her 220 million claim? What about her Non mentioned Netherlands#s certified units and what about her latest certification update you have Harout? FIDEL ANDREAS

Claims in the below links [[6]] [[7]] [[8]]

FIDEL ANDREAS

Not yet, there has no updates to her certifications substantially to claim a 220 million. Hell it cannot be updated to the old 205 million also. And please sign your posts. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 13:31, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Lil' Wayne with 100m-records claim

Harout. Need your help and opinion, As I remember you have said that he has a good certification sales (77 million). Please look at this source (http://www.mcall.com/entertainment/lehigh-valley-music/mc-lil-wayne-one-of-hiphops-biggest-stars-to-play-sands-bethlehem-event-center-20151129-column.html) from The Morning Call, inside it is stated that in all he has sold more than 15 million albums and 37 million digital track in United States, and more than 100 million records worldwide. Harout, Is it possible to use that source to bring him to the list with 100m-records? because the source is very reliable and the statement really conclude that he has sold 100m-records worldwide. Need your help. Thank you Politsi (talk) 02:53, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Yeap, this should work for us. I'll put Wayne on the list soon.--Harout72 (talk) 05:50, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Harout, and please remind me for another artists who also deserve to be put on the list. I will try to seek the reliable source for them. At this moment I still find the way how to find the better claim figure for B'Z and Katy Perry. Politsi (talk) 05:54, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Now that you mentioned it, have you come across a source for Ayumi Hamasaki that claimed 75 million records in sales? Because her certified sales are 63.8 million which is way above what 1998 charters are required to have.--Harout72 (talk) 06:12, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Harout... I work so hard for that, I always try to encourage the media by updating Ayumi Hamasaki's wikibio with 75m-records claim by using this source only for temporary (http://www.last.fm/group/Ayumi+Hamasaki+Play-Day), it was stand in Hamasaki's wikibio for several weeks but again the editor in Hamasaki's Bio revert it. I gave up, the same situation like Eric Clapton. I think Hamasaki and Clapton will never be on the list. Let's find another artists who's also deserve to be on the list. Politsi (talk) 06:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi Politsi, the reason being last.fm is user generated content, not journalistic or any credibility. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 13:32, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Katy Perry worldwide sales

Hello. Can you check this site for more Katy Perry sales worldwide. Thank you

According here, Katy Perry has sold 100 million records worldwide:

ShaneFilaner that Adweek.com source has been discredited before also since it clearly does not say that Perry sold 100 million. It says her record sales are "nearing 100 million". It could be anything from 98 million to 99.99 million. Rest of the sources listed are grossly unreliable. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 13:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2015

Please move Barbra Streisand up into the category of 200-249 Million world-wide and include her picture. According to Billboard (today), The Hollywood Reporter (today) and Broadway World, see links below, Streisand has sold 245 M worldwide.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/barbra-streisand-hollywoods-double-standard-845819 http://www.broadwayworld.com/article/VIDEO-Remembering-Composer-Michael-Leonards-THE-YEARLING-With-Three-Barbra-Streisand-Recordings-20151112# https://www.facebook.com/Billboard/?fref=ts Marco34la (talk) 20:55, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

We don't update the sales figures of any artists unless their certified sales are really close or sometimes have passed the currently listed claimed figure. Such isn't the case with Barbra Streisand.--Harout72 (talk) 01:06, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Green Day with 75m-records

Harout... Need your help and advise. Their name was in the list previously but now it gone already. I'm quite sad actually. Harout, How many of their certification sales should be to getting back to the list with 75m-figure? Because I will keep an eye on it same like Usher who's very close entering the list with 75m-figure also. Need your help. Thank you Politsi (talk) 01:32, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

They need their claims supported by 66.4% certified sales as they've begun charting in 1994. It is 49.8 million certified units needed for 75 million. So far they have 46.6 million units certified.--Harout72 (talk) 14:02, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Maroon 5 with 75m-claim

Harout... Are you there?. I need your advised and information regarding with Green Day and also.. Maroon 5. Harout, please look at this source (http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6784957/adam-levine-maroon-5-sign-wme), the source said Maroon 5 has sold 75m-records. How many of their certification sales so far? and is it meet the requirement of 75m-claim?. Need your help. Thanks Politsi (talk) 11:59, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Maroon 5 need their claims supported by 71.3% certified sales as their first year in official charts is 2002. Until now they've gathered 41.6 certified units, and for a claim as high as 75 million, they'd need 54.2 million certified units. I'm not sure if this will happen for them anytime soon.--Harout72 (talk) 14:02, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
According to Maroon 5 discography, they have been active since 1995 under the name of Kara's Flowers and releasing album/We Like Digging? in that year. I don't know if that's not counting in their music career and their music career officially begin in 2002 under the name of Maroon 5. Politsi (talk) 02:43, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
The certification requirements are based on the first year of charting. It's stated in the second yellow box from the top on this page and it's also stated in the lead of the list. Politsi, I thought you'd know this by now.--Harout72 (talk) 02:58, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Okay thanks Harout. I know that by now (:, well. At least we already have a reliable source of claim sales figure for Maroon 5 and Usher, this two artists is still very active and it will be good for the list if we have their name inside. Hopefully we can welcoming them to the list in the next few years and I hope we can maintain the reliability and the high quality of the list. Politsi (talk) 05:24, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

All I Want for Christmas is You

Hi Harout, how are you doing! I'm writing this to make your notice that last night the British Phonographic Industry announced that Carey's classic is now double platinum, and therefore, Carey's total certified units must be at 130 million units! fidelovkurt 06:20, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

FIDEL ANDREAS

Already updated. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 09:49, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Bruno Mars's 100m-claim source

Harout, I still can not find a better source for his 100m-claim but I see this source (http://variety.com/2015/dirt/real-estalker/bruno-mars-sells-los-angeles-house-1201647928/) from Variety, one of the leading American weekly magazines. Is it possible to use that source to replace the source from Eugene Weekly?. Need your opinion. Thank you. Politsi (talk) 10:49, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Please do it Politsi, you don't need Harout for it :) —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 10:55, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Hey guys, Variety isn't more reliable than Eugene Weekly. In fact, it's just a magazine that publishes insignificant entertainment news. On the other hand, Eugene Weekly may not be a highly regarded new service, but it is a news agency.--Harout72 (talk) 14:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Harout. I'm hesitate to use that source for Mars, that's why I ask you first. And hopefully you response my question regarding with Beyonce's 85m-records because I bring a very reliable source this time. You will agree or not, I will accept your statement and my question about beyonce also open for other editor. Thank you. Politsi (talk) 14:37, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
And thank you to IndianBio for answering my question. I'm still confuse, that's why I'm not use it and wait for Harout's opinion. Politsi (talk) 16:15, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Beyonce (85m-records) again..

Harout, I'm apologize for bringing this topic again but I still see and feel that with nearly 68 million in her certification units. Beyonce's 75m-records claim is too low for her and it's not reliable to see her stuck with that claim in the 75m-list. I find this source (http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/beyonc-destinys-child-bandmates-discuss-on-stage-reunion-at-glastonbury/93876/) from the 2011 Thisday edition, a very prestigious Nigerian national newspaper. I think we can use this source to lift her position up to the 80m-list, and we should do that as long as her certification sales meet the requirement. And for your information, most of reliable source in recent years (2013-2015) claim her sales at 118m-records, which is not reliable at this moment. Harout and another editor also.. I need your help and opinion. Thank you Politsi (talk) 10:32, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

The content seems to be taken from Daily Mail, I'm hesitant about using that. But I we can use it, at least, temporarily when she passes the 70 million mark with her certified sales.--Harout72 (talk) 14:46, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Harout. Perhaps Thisday newspaper take Beyonce's 85m-claim from Daily Mail. but like you said, Daily Mail is not a highly regarded news organization like The New York Times but at least Daily Mail is a news agency and perhaps the world's most famous tabloid. Need your help to raise Beyonce position in the list when her certification touch the 70 million mark and when she touch the 78 million mark, we bring her to the 100m-club. Thank u Harout. Politsi (talk) 16:27, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Barbra Streisand (200+ club)

It's really unfair that Barbra Streisand is stuck at 145 million when the media cites it at 245 million. Her page and discography page says 245 million with half a dozen sources. It's misleading because she's estimated at 140+ albums sold. A recent The Hollywood Reporter article that was published last week listed her at 245 million in it's official magazine. [9]. Frank Sinatra literally has 3x as less certifications as her yet hes listed at 150 million. The Rolling Stones has (about the same) amount of certifications yet they are listed as 200m. Barbra Streisand should also be listed as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:c1:c001:bf2d:14d1:d7b8:4f2e:3317 (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2015‎ (UTC)

IP user please read and try to understand the top yellow boxes how the list is compiled. If we do not bend the page criteria for anyone else, we won't do it for Barbra as well. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 16:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
So how does Frank and the Rolling Stones fit your criteria?2601:C1:C001:BF2D:14D1:D7B8:4F2E:3317 (talk) 16:39, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Harout72 has documents supporting them and he will answer when he is online. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 16:40, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
We use the lowest available claimed sales for all artists. Frank Sinatra and The Rolling Stones are listed with their lowest available claimed sales. We only update artists' claimed figures when the gap between their certified sales and the currently listed sales claims narrow down significantly.--Harout72 (talk) 17:33, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Justin Bieber

Harout. I just wondering if you can help me to collect the total of Bieber's certification sales. I want to see the possibility for him to entering the list with 75m-sales figure, because if his certification sales meet the requirement for 75m-sales. I will begin to searching the reliable source to support it. Harout, need your help if you interest and have much time. Thank you Politsi (talk) 05:53, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

When you come across a reliable source that claims 75 million for Bieber, let me know, only then it's worth going over his detailed certified sales as it's time consuming. But at a quick glance, I'm not seeing 59.9 million certified units for him. Which is what a 2009 beginner would need for 75 million sales.--Harout72 (talk) 14:02, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
Okay Thanks Harout.. And I think we should prepare for welcoming Coldplay since their new album, A Head Full of Dreams already topped the chart worldwide and hopefully you would consider to bring Usher to the list because I really feel his certification gap to the requirement is too close, only 1 million. I think we should open the door for him and if you see Usher's Wikipage, the editor in his biography is so desperately wanted Usher to became a part of this prestigious list. But again, this is only my personal opinion. Need your help and consideration. Thank you Politsi (talk) 14:52, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
Harout, thanks for bringing Coldplay to the list and using my source. We are a good team likely and I need your help to keep an eye on Usher's certification sales and hopefully he can join the world's greatest selling artists list soon. Thanks Politsi (talk) 06:58, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Mariah and katy

37.80.90.9 (talk) 22:16, 21 December 2015 (UTC) Mariah now has a 130million units should this make her in a higher claimed sales?

And katy perry has a 117 million units and still her claimed sales low 92!?!?!??

Australia certifications

Hi Harout72, I was wondering that for Australia certifications did you also include the certifications for older singles present in the Australia's Music Charts 1988-2010 book by Gavin Ryan? For example Madonna's certifications for singles can be found in the book at here. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 11:32, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

I would not object to that. Any way to find the info of other artists as well Bio?--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 12:58, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
For who? Mariah Carey? Politsi (talk) 13:32, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes, many of the older artists have their certifications listed in the book which might not be in ARIA database. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 13:50, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
No, those singles that have not been re-certified by ARIA and aren't listed in their database, are not included. Only the single "True Blue" has been re-certified in 2001. I'm counting 595,000 units that appear on the list you have provided that aren't included in Australia's total, 11 Gold, 1 Platinum, 1 2x Platinum. I personally don't mind including those, but we'd need a better scan. Is the layout we're seeing on there is how they appear in the book? If you have the book in your possession, can you scan the initial pages that show the name of the book and authors name, and everything else that indicates the scan is from Australia's Music Charts 1988-2010. Kind of what I've done with Spain's certifications, see here. Without a scan, we should not add them as that would open doors for lot of editors coming here adding non-existent certifications for their favorite artists.--Harout72 (talk) 14:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
I personally don't have it, but I am inviting Nqr9 who has the book and has authoritative knowledge of the contents. He gave me the Madonna scan. Hi Nqr9 can you help around in updating the Australia certifications for all the artists? —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 15:20, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
The Gavin Ryan book only details the ARIA chart and certifications from when the chart commenced being produced in-house (after licensing the Kent Music Report for 5 years), from the chart dated week ending 26th June 1988, to December 2010. From what I can see, certifications from 1988, and some from early 1989, are not annotated in the book. ARIA changed its certification levels from 100,000 shipments for platinum and 50,000 shipments for gold to 70,000 for platinum and 35,000 for gold in early 1989, which further complicates things. One potential issue with using this book as a reference is that the certifications are only accurate to December 2010. Usually this isn't a problem for singles or albums released years before then, but occasionally it might be, e.g. if a single or album is re-released or re-charts. An online source for ARIA singles certifications, though only from 9th April 1989 when they commenced being annotated on the printed top 50 ARIA chart, is http://chartbeat.blogspot.com.au/search/label/25%20years%20ago , which posts scans of the ARIA top 50 chart from 25 years ago each week. However, you'd need to follow a single through to the end of its top 50 chart run to see its highest certification; and even then, it could theoretically be certified or re-certified after it has left the top 50. The first singles chart with certifications displayed on it appears in this post - http://chartbeat.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/25-years-ago-this-week-april-9-1989.html . I can post a scan or screen-shot of the cover and first page of the book, but the screen-shot I've taken is from the pdf version of the book (I have this and a hard copy version of it).Nqr9 (talk) 00:29, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
I have uploaded scans of - the cover http://i.imgur.com/QdqqfXa.jpg , the inside pages http://i.imgur.com/ye0gGRu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/p91vaQR.jpg , and the entry for Madonna (you'll need to left-click the image to enlarge it so it can be read) http://i.imgur.com/4dXFPZF.jpg .Nqr9 (talk) 00:48, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
And here's Mariah (over 2 pages) - http://i.imgur.com/DkWgbV2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZR21VTv.jpg , and the publisher info - http://i.imgur.com/5ZPnWaL.jpg . I have added Mariah's pre-1997 ARIA certifications to her singles discography page (I don't think I did albums as well, though). Be aware that there is an issue with the 1991 end of year chart info published in this book, for both singles and albums; see http://australian-charts.com/forum.asp?todo=viewthread&id=40284 for discussion (and also a link to a scan of the original top 100 end of year 1991 singles chart printed by ARIA in 1991). The original top 50 end of year albums chart for 1991 is scanned here - http://i.imgur.com/tFKJV6s.jpg .Nqr9 (talk) 01:11, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the scans, I will have to put them all on a single PDF document. Nqr9, does it say in the book that the earlier levels for Australia were Platinum-100,000, Gold=50,000? Because my research shows the Platinum award level was actually raised from Platinum=50,000 to 70,000. You and I briefly discussed this at Talk:ARIA Charts#ARIA's Certification-award-levels prior to 1989, but you provided a source that isn't quite something we can rely on. Is there another source that lists this info. Because in 1984, the level for Platinum had already been raised from 50,000 to 70,000, based on this article (see the top of the middle column, the 1984 album by Talking Head.).--Harout72 (talk) 01:27, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

I can't provide a reliable source for the certification change, unfortunately. And yes, I remember discussing that with you before. Perhaps the only way to get a reliable source would be to email ARIA and then take a screen-shot of the response. Though I'm waiting to get scans of the weekly ARIA top 100 charts from June 1988-December 1989 inclusive (which was published for industry, but not otherwise available to the public), as they are in the process of scanning all their old ARIA reports. It's possible that one of these may contain information about the certification level change.Nqr9 (talk) 02:26, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Let me know please if any of the documents you receive contains such information. I e-mailed ARIA years ago regarding the levels changes, they only said that the levels haven't been changed since 1989.--Harout72 (talk) 02:40, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Will do. I'm not sure when the scans will be available; I've been waiting since early Nov.Nqr9 (talk) 02:47, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot Nqr9 for your expertise and info you provided. Hi Harout, after you process the information, will you be updating your word document for each artist and the certifications listed here? —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 10:57, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes I'm going to work on these tomorrow as I have very limited time today.--Harout72 (talk) 14:01, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Revisiting Coldplay

I think the time is coming soon for Coldplay. After the release of their new album they may reach the necessary amount of certifications to support claimed sales. If I'm not wrong to support a claimed figure of 80 million, you would need 56 million certified sales, so my question is, how many do they have now? --Bobtinin (talk) 04:51, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, for 80 million claim, they'd need 55.5 million certified units as they've begun charting in 1999. Their available certified sales are 53.2 million so far. They have enough for 75 million claim, if there is such a claim.--Harout72 (talk) 07:04, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
Alright, let's wait and see the sales "A Head Full of Dreams" makes, and I'm certain they'll show up on here once we've seen them. --Bobtinin (talk) 07:20, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
Harout, I think it's impossible to find the 75m-claim figure for Coldplay, since the 80m-claim figure for them actually encourage by me on their wikipage. I need your help, because the band has just release their new album at this month, next to Adele's 25 in Billboard 200. Once they're get the minimum certification for 80m-records, we can use this source (http://www.contracostatimes.com/breaking-news/ci_29200307/its-official-colplay-set-super-bowl-50-halftime) from Contra Costa Times. And Harout, the Southern Daily Echo/(http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/14126481.Coldplay_drummer_s_journey_from_Hampshire_primary_school_to_the_Superbowl/?ref=mr&lp=14) even published that Coldplay has sold 100m-records. But let's just stand on their 80m-figure at this moment. Need your help and opinion. Thanks Politsi (talk) 08:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Once they have their required 55.5 million certified units, we can put them up by using your source.--Harout72 (talk) 14:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello again! Can we see the updated file for Coldplay, they have recently been given platinum for their album in the BPI, and perhaps other certifiers. --Bobtinin (talk) 21:01, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Here it is.--Harout72 (talk) 23:38, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
That wraps it up then. Great to finally see them get on the list. --Bobtinin (talk) 00:51, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2015

I have made this request 3 times and NO ONE has revised. The worldwide sales info for Barbra Streisand is currently WRONG. The 'source' for the current number of 145 million is the UK Telegraph and there is NO sales info in that source!! I work in the music industry - the correct number is 245 Million worldwide and here are 8 reputable and current sources to corroborate:

Barbra Streisand 245 Million worldwide

WASHINGTON POST ‘14 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/09/16/after-51-year-absence-barbra-streisand-takes-the-host-chair-at-the-tonight-show/

BROADWAY WORLD ‘15 http://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Photo-Flash-Barbra-Streisand-Chills-With-House-Guests-Lady-Gaga-Ryan-Murphy-John-Travolta-and-More-20150823

KATIE COURIC – YAHOO NEWS ‘14 https://www.facebook.com/katiecouric/posts/704502242978677

THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER ‘14 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/barbra-streisand-tonight-show-all-733023

GOOGLE PLAY MUSIC https://play.google.com/store/music/artist/Barbra_Streisand?id=Asty2nczux7mipdnloy63qtisni

MSN MUSIC: http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/barbra-streisands-life-in-pictures/ss-AAbw5Li

BBC MUSIC http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/56cd15a1-0d74-438b-8244-c96ffe1cae03

MUSIC WEEKLY http://musicweekly.asia/culture/news-culture/double-threat-10-famous-musicians-that-became-movie-stars

Marco34la (talk) 22:54, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

This questioned as already been addressed here. Again, sales figures are not updated unless the gap between the current sales claim and artists' available certified sales is narrowed down significantly.--Harout72 (talk) 22:58, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
Harout, is there any possibility for Streisand entering the 200m-club with 200m-records claim same like the other old female singer like Carey, Dion, and Houston?. And has two claim figure, the highest and the lowest. Because if yes, I will start to find the 200m-figure for Streisand. Need your opinion. Thanks Politsi (talk) 01:39, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

A simple query

Hi there :) I am just submitting this question regarding four Japanese artists and their certified sales. These artists are Ayumi Hamasaki, Namie Amuro, Hikaru Utada, and Kumi Koda. Is there any database (on MediaFire or anywhere else) regarding these artists certified sales/certifications at all? I would love a response as soon as possible. Thank you! CaliforniaDreamsFan (talk · contribs} 20:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

I have detailed certified sales for:
Sadly, none of them will enter the list even for Ayumi Hamasaki. I still don't understand why they're still stuck of their claim sales in old figure despite their certification sales already far away pass their certification sales. Politsi (talk) 01:35, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
@Politsi:, @Harout72:; thank you for your responses :) I assumed that they couldn't been listed, and I know Politsi; pretty dumb that their sales figures has been the same for so many years and that their certification sales are much higher than claimed sales. By any chance, is there any certification figures/database sales regarding Kumi Koda/Koda Kumi? She's sold over 15 million claimed units, but I made my own stats based on her RIAJ digital certification/Oricon physical sales and it came to about 36.7 million certification units. Any chance for verification on this? Its all good if there's nothing. CaliforniaDreamsFan (talk · contribs} 00:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
I personally only check the certifications of those artists that stand out. In other words, if I see they are close to around 50 million in certified sales or actual sales, it's worth going over their detailed certified sales. If Kumi Koda has sold 15 million units, then RIAJ will definitely have Gold and Platinum certifications in its databases. This here is the database for Physical, and this here is the one for Digital.--Harout72 (talk) 01:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
I've just used the links and they work finally haha! Thanks a lot @Harout72: CaliforniaDreamsFan (talk · contribs} 02:07, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Pitbull

Hi everyone, I found a source that says Pitbull has sold 76 million records worldwide. (http://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/oldenburg_ostfriesland/Rapper-Pitbull-tauft-die-Norwegian-Escape,escape618.html)Jlo Fan 1999 (talk) 17:35, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Potentially unreliable sources

To maintain a high quality and respectable contain of the list. There's no source from Tabloid journalism and according to the Wikipedia:Potentially unreliable sources, In general, tabloid-journalist newspapers, such as The Sun, Daily Mirror, Daily Mail, equivalent television shows, or sites like The Register, should not be used. Unless there's no source to support the claim and the certification sales of the artists is very high. Thanks Politsi (talk) 02:17, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Katy Perry

Is there any new reliable source to support Katy Perry's sales? Her certified units are way to high for her current claim.

None of these numbers seem accuarte. I look at discographies and it's hard to believe the numbers in each country. Way too high. I haven't bought a newly released download or an "album" or single since 1990

Post timestamp. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 22:48, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Sources on 500 million figures

As far as what I am seeing here, that this page is having some of its own policies for content that are way different compared to rest of the wikipedia.

As discussed before,[10] one editor removed the source published by Wiley.com, a highly WP:RS,[11] because it is not a "news agencies, and/or music magazines such as Billboard, Rolling Stone", with relation to the 500 million sales figure about Beatles, while accepting[12] a totally non-expertised one liner about Elvis Presley having 500 million sales[13].

So we have two proposals here:-

  • Remove 500 million sales figure regarding Elvis Presley, because it comes from a random source, having no expertise in sales estimates.

or

  • Include 500 million sales figure regarding Beatles, because it is backed by a WP:RS. Excelse (talk) 16:23, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
What exactly makes The Creative Edge: 17 Biographies of Cultural Icons a reliable source, which you had added? The author, Brent D Taylor, in this case, has an honours degree in psychology. What makes him an expert in sales figures? This is not particularly a reliable source. Including 500 million units for The Beatles is perfectly fine, however, the claimed figure should come from a better source, preferably a news agency.--Harout72 (talk) 23:18, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2016

Edit number of Mariah and Celine selling Lolyhead (talk) 11:49, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

No. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 13:09, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2016

This request specifically concerns the 'Michael Jackson' section. As recently reported by RIAA, Jackson has sold 1 billion records. Would it be possible to have this reflected on the page.

Source: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/6812781/michael-jackson-thriller-30x-multi-platinum-album

"The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) made the announcement Wednesday (Dec. 15) with the Estate of Michael Jackson, Epic Records and Legacy Recordings, as the new milestone continues Jackson's reign as the most selling artist of all time with over 100 million sales for Thriller worldwide and 1 billion total sales to his credit. "

Thank you. 2.121.88.179 (talk) 20:24, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Please read the lead of the list. This list requires certain amount of certified sales for all artists based on the first year of their charting. For 1 billion claim, Jackson would need 200 million certified units, his available certified sales are only 177 million. And we don't update sales figures here at this list, unless the gap between the artists' certified sales and listed claimed figures disappear significantly.--Harout72 (talk) 00:02, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Rihanna

Harout. Sorry but please remind me, I remember you've said that once her certification sales at least passed the 180 million mark, we can use her 230m-claim.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_best-selling_music_artists/Archive_32#Rihanna.27s_Origin)

And I've seen that her certification sales already reach 180.4 million. And it looks like too low to let her 191m-sales still on the list.

I think it's time to put her 230m-claim and 200m-claim of her in the list. I think we still use the source of her 200m-sales but now next to the new claim (230m). We can use this source from Los Angeles Times/http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-rihanna-to-receive-icon-honor-at-american-music-awards-20131114-story.html and Coventry Telegraph http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/cov-kid-says-no-speed-6317064

Need your help. Thanks Politsi (talk) 02:18, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

The same with Rihanna Politsi, no immediate need for now to update her claimed figure. Once she reaches the 185 million mark with her certified sales, we'll first remove the 191 sales figure, and when she's around in the neighborhood of 195 million with her certified sales, we'll then consider the 230 million claim. Because we don't want to create a huge gap between her currently listed claimed figure and the certified sales.--Harout72 (talk) 05:20, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Adele

Harout. How are you?. I need your opinion, Please look at this source from the The State Journal [14]

Inside it's said about Adele's 100m-sales claim. Is it possible to use the contain of that source to support Adele to 100m-list?. Need your help. Thanks Politsi (talk) 01:44, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, at the moment there is no immediate need to update her claimed figure. We'll consider this when she reaches at least 85 million with her certified sales.--Harout72 (talk) 05:12, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
I think she does, her new album and singles still at the top of the chart worldwide. I'm sure she reach the 85m-certification within several months. I will searching a better source for her 100m-claim. Politsi (talk) 05:56, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

David Bowie (100m-records)

Harout, thank you for answering my question regarding with Adele and Rihanna. I need your help again about David Bowie. How many of his certification sales so far?. Is it quite enough to support 100m-claim? (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/rebel-rebel-we-profile-singing-legend-david-bowie-34329294.html) He has a big name in music history and It will be good also for the list if his name also include inside. Need your opinion and help. Thanks Politsi (talk) 05:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Harout, I just knew that David Bowie died today. Well, I hope if his total certification sales meet the requirement for 100m-claim. I think we should put him to the list for his legacy. What do you think? Thanks. Politsi (talk) 09:09, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I just learned about his death too. This is the first time a reliable source is claiming 100 million records for Bowie, all previous claims used to be 130 or 140 million. Well, he's got the 100 million units claim supported by over 26 million certified units, so I'll put him up on the list shortly.--Harout72 (talk) 13:26, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! Finally an addition of someone who hasn't begun charting in 2007! Also, great to see he has accumulated enough certifications to be added, well deserved! Uncleangelo (talk) 17:33, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Harout, I work so hard to make this list complete, because I like this list. Hopefully we can always maintain the reliability of this list and make it to be the main guidance of people to see the true legendary music artists in history. Politsi (talk) 02:23, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

The Monkees

Harout. I'm sorry for bringing their name again as I think this band is a very earlier beginner (1965) and their certification sales is quite enough to support the 75m-sales claim (26 million in total). I understand that several newspaper edition between 2012-below claim them has sold only around 50m but this band is also legendary. even it was said that at their peak in 1967, the Monkees outsold the Beatles and the Rolling Stones combined. Daily Express's 2015 edition claim them has sold 75m-records (http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/music/597519/The-Monkees-Peter-Tork-Micky-Dolenz-UK-show-September) and this is the only new reliable source that I've found so far. Harout, if their certification sales meet the 75m-requirement. I think we should also put them up on the list. What do you think?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 06:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

As you mentioned, there are also lot of reliable sources that claim 50 million for them including this, which is more reasonable based on their available 24.7 million certified units.--Harout72 (talk) 13:38, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Dolly Parton

Harout. I need your help and opinion regarding this country singer and hopefully you will interest on it. We're not allow to let her name to be include in the list because we think her certification sales is too low to support the 100m-records claim sales. But, need your help to collect the grand total of her certification sales. Because if she reach the minimum requirement certification sales for 100m-sales (about 20% certification), then we should welcoming her into the list/(http://www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/music/2014/05/14/dolly-parton-on-tattoos-theyre-not-where-you-can-see/9076609/). Barry White's certification sales less than 22m but we include him with 100m-claim and if Parton's sales also around that amount, then we should include her also. What do you think Harout?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 03:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Harout. Are you there? Well I hope you interest to answer it because I'm curious about this one. But if you don't want to waste your time, what can I say. But I'm more happy to read your opinion about Dolly's 100m-claim sales. And my question also open to other editor. Thanks Politsi (talk) 15:52, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
She would need at least 20 million in certified sales for a claim as high as 100 million. Her available certified units stand at 18 million only.--Harout72 (talk) 16:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi, finally. Okay thanks Harout. Politsi (talk) 16:29, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Madonna's claim sales source

Harout. These two source for Madonna's claim sales is not coming from a highly regarded news organization (http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/madonna-s-top-40-most-downloaded-tracks-revealed-__1971/ / http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2012/4/madonna-beats-elviss-no1-albums-record-as-mdna-tops-uk-chart/), I think we should change it and I will search to replace that two un-reliable source from the list. Politsi (talk) 07:29, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Kiss??

Why is Kiss not listed in any of these tables? Album sales are well over 100 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColtsFanInDayton (talk • contribs) 14:27, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

The Doors

According to CBS News, the band has sold over 100 million units worldwide and merits inclusion on this list. Thanks. Jusdafax 03:25, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Harout72 can answer if they are inclusion worthy based on their certification. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 09:27, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
The Doors are on the list but with 80 million claim as their certified sales are only 46.7 million.--Harout72 (talk) 14:06, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I think is the same case of George Michael sales. Most of the sites, included his official website, says he sold more than 100 millions worldwide, but some members here wants to put him in the 80 million, not 100 million, just because they want! It has 17 artists who has less certifications than he, but are in the 100 millions position. Why? Because they want! I have fear to change the page and begin a war. --88marcus (talk) 22:39, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

88marcus you are literate enough to read the above big (giant) yellow box to understand how the list is compiled. Harout72 and other editors work really tirelessly to update this list with proper certifications whenever available. Last thing we editors need is some drive-by bullshit comment that we are doing what we want! —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 09:30, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

B'z (86m-records)

Harout. I found this source from the San Francisco Chronicle / http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/ASIAN-POP-Hello-Kitty-Rock-Rock-3307638.php and it was published in 2005. Inside the article said that B'Z has sold 86 million records. Considering that their certification already pass the 85 million, and the source is reliable despite was released in 2005. I think it's ok to put that source and the new claim on the list. But I still searching the new one and will replace it when I get it. Thanks Politsi (talk) 06:54, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Harout. I need your opinion and advise, I already put the new claim for B'z by using that source on the list. Is it right? for temporary until I get the new one. What do you think? Thanks. Politsi (talk) 07:17, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
That should do it just temporarily.--Harout72 (talk) 14:01, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Picture of ABBA

At the highest level (250 million or more records) we have seven artists, and seven pictures. OK.

At the next level (200 million to 249 million records), we have eight artists, but only seven pictures. Odd man out? ABBA. I put in a picture of ABBA but was reverted.

(At the next level (120 million to 199 million records), we have 13 artists, and seven pictures. Obviously as we get lower down on the list we can't have pictures of all the artists. Whether we should have 13 pictures I dunno (13 is not that much but maybe its too much; the next level (100 million to 119 million records) has 37 artists and obviously we don't want 37 pictures; whether we start not showing pictures of all the artists at the 100 million to 119 million records or the 100 million to 119 million records I don't know or care.)

If ABBA doesn't belong in the category "200 million to 249 million records" then by all means push them down lower. Don't snub them by not putting in a picture. Either they're a full member of the category (and deserver a picture) or they're not.

I think I get what you're about here. At a certain resolution, seven pictures fit in a row. Nice. Problem is, hella people don't use that resolution. I don't -- at my resolution, seven pictures devolves to a row of five pictures and a second row of two; at the next lower resolution, it's six and one. At a higher resolution, there's room for eight. So?

I've had this conversation with list people before, and devolves to "Well, it looks good on my computer, case closed". Stop it. Please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility ("Wikipedia articles should be accessible to readers... using monitors with a low resolution. The lowest resolution that it is considered possible to support without adversely affecting other users is 1024×768; all articles should look acceptable at this resolution").

My resolution is functionally equivalent to about 1024×768. The next resolution up gives a line of six pictures with one hanging at the bottom which frankly looks stupid. The next resolution up gives tiny text which I doubt many readers over (say) 35 can read easily. If someone has decided that this the default resolution, someone is wrong IMO and point me to it so we can fix it.

</rant> Herostratus (talk) 15:41, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

There is no importance how many artists are there in a section. We only put seven pictures of artists with the highest certified units in the section respectively. As I explained when I reverted, the section where ABBA is right now has 8 artists (7 pictures obv.) and their certified units are lowest. And its not about "looks good on my computer", but the list is big enough already, we do not want to add more kbs to it or crowd it. — Tom(T2ME) 15:45, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Really? The list is big enough already?. Because I thought is very important to make this list complete regardless how long or short the section so far. In my opinion, if we want to make this list really " reliable" and "trusted". The contain must be complete as much as we can but still with a very high consideration and discuss before putting or outing some artists at the list. Otherwise, the list will look like a fun thing and not important source for music guidance scale. Or we can cut the section and starting from 100m-sales if the list is too full enough. But for me personally, at this moment the list is very perfect with 75m claim at the beginning and provide with many various highly regarded dan prestigious news source. Politsi (talk) 16:06, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
What the hell are you talking about? I was referring to User:Herostratus regarding the picture usage, it's enough to use 7 pictures per section and not add a picture of everyone making it crowded and messy. And yes, this list is 271,593 bytes big at this present moment. It doesn't mean we shouldn't add more people, however, we should try to keep it less big. Jeez! — Tom(T2ME)
Herostratus, actually when you click edit, each section has a hidden note in caps which reads DO NOT ADD ANYMORE IMAGES OR REPLACE THE ARTISTS. WE ARE TO HAVE SEVEN IMAGES OF THE TOP CERTIFIED ARTISTS ONLY, WITH THE ONE HAVING THE MOST CERTIFIED SALES AT THE TOP. I'm not sure anyone can miss that.--Harout72 (talk) 16:27, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
I did miss it since I went directly to the gallery. However, now that I see it, I guess I'm justified in ignoring it since IMO it's non-optimal. See below. Herostratus (talk) 00:06, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi Tomica, I'm apologize if my statement look impolite. I just thinking that if my contribution to the list is actually not good for the list bytes capacity. If you follow this talk page for the last three years, you will find out that many popular artists have been include into the list because of me. If you're not agree, because I make the list too full and crowd it, just say it. Because so far, my conversation at this page only between me and Harout which is for me more than enough. Harout, if this list is too full enough. We can cut the section starting from 100m-claim but I cry for it :(. Politsi (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
I have this page on my watchlist and regularly check the talk page and I can see that your contribution to this page is marvelous! And I really appreciate it. But you don't seem to understood my point in the reply I gave to Herostratus. Yes, this page is big, but we don't need to cut anything, because right now everything looks good. However, his query is whether we should add more pictures of artists, which according to me will only make the list more crowded and messy as right now looks pretty awesome and obviously will add more in size. That's all, no worries all is fine ;). — Tom(T2ME) 16:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm not seeing anybody getting what I'm saying. Here's what I'm saying:
  • Of course at some point we're not going to include all the artists in the gallery for a given section. The section "100 million to 119 million records" has 18 entries and it's reasonable not to include all.
  • So somebody sometime decided on the random number "7" for the number of pictures. OK fine (I guess; at some resolutions, where it gives 6 pictures in a row and a "widow" row with one picture, it looks a little odd, but can't make it ideal for all resolutions).
  • This works fine for the first section ("250 million or more records") where, as a happy coincidence, there are seven entries -- each one gets a picture. And it works fine for the third section ("120 million to 199 million records") and below, since there are far more than seven entries and obviously the pictures are just a sample of the entries.
  • But for the second section ("200 million to 249 million records") it doesn't work. There are eight entries. Having only seven pictures looks odd. It makes one wonder what ABBA did wrong or whatever (my assumption was just that nobody had bothered to put in a picture for them.) It doesn't work. And since it doesn't work, let's fix it and not stick rigidly in all cases to some random number made up by some person persons in the past. Be flexible, people. Herostratus (talk) 00:06, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

To Herostratus, the answer is NO. Thanks Politsi (talk) 07:34, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, but that's not the way it works around here, and not how we "get our way" around here -- it is Wikipedia, not Politsipedi, after all. I'm willing to consider reasonable arguments -- if you can point to some guidelines, policies, surveys, standards, or just reasonable arguments, that'd be one thing. If there's info on what the most popular screen resolutions are for readers, that'd be a good data point. Absent that, "the answer is no" is not an argument and won't stand. Herostratus (talk) 20:24, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
The first section has seven artists, therefore, we'll have seven images for the first section and for the rest for consistency. We're not going to have seven images for the first section, eight for the second, 13 for the third, and more for the rest. Images do not indicate any importance here, the certified sales and claimed sales do.--Harout72 (talk) 21:06, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Consistency, hobgoblins, and all. There's no need to be rigid. 7-8-7-7-7 is fine. Herostratus (talk) 22:48, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
No I disagree, the list is fine as it is, and as and when artists will move up we will still maintain this. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 10:47, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Erm well, here's my take on the matter:
  1. To some degree it's a matter of opinion. To the degree that it's not a matter of opinion, but of objectively better information design and whatnot, on the merits, I'm right and you're wrong, IMO.
  2. And it's not a good idea to base your position on "We don't have much of any actual argument, but we don't want to do this so we're not and you're SOL" which seems to be the main or only argument I've heard.
  3. And in light of the above point I ought to initiate an RfC and see if the larger community agrees with your "argument".
  4. But enh. It's too much trouble. It's not a key point (although the general principle is) so I'm not gonna do it. Herostratus (talk) 18:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Mariah Carey 220 Million Claim

Hello Harout. We all know about the previous tension caused about raising the total claimed sales for Mariah Carey over the last couple of years. But we all know that many of her records aren't verified including the Dutch NVPI (total of 2.1 million certifications), The outdated certification for all I want for Xmas is you that crossed the 3 million mark yet its stuck at the GOLD level... Also, Carey exceeds Celine#s level by 7 million and Whitney Houston by 20 million.... Carey's overall claimed sales should be at 220 million. As many sources are also mentioning the aforementioned claim. [15], [16], [17], [18].

Harout can answer if Mariah's certifications pass 220 million claim and many of your claims are WP:OR as usual. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 09:36, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Carey's Dutch certified sales was 1.4 million when NVPI's certification database was still functioning. At the moment, there is 69 million units of gap (67.5 million with her previously available Dutch certified sales) between her certified sales and the 200 million claim. Why should we make this gap even bigger. Clearly Carey's real actual worldwide sales are somewhere between 150-160 million based on her certified sales.--Harout72 (talk) 14:06, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you for the present time Harout, but I don't think it's fair for you to characterize her sales at 150-160m when she debuted in 1990 and has a solid 131m verified. I think you are forgetting that in all technicality, according to the guidelines of this list, she's fair game with 50%. She's at nearly 66% at 200 and 60% at 220, so just throwing a third figure isn't at all far-fetched. I won't go there, maybe some millions later we can revisit the discussion, but let's keep it a level playing field.--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 11:36, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Actually the requirements for certified sale have been changed months ago when the RIAJ made all of their certifications available going all the way back to 1989. This affected all those artists that have begun charting in 1989 and onward. So Carey now needs 64% certified sales as she's begun charting in 1990. For 220 million claim, she'd need at least 140.8 million certified units. By the way, we don't update any of the artists' claimed figures unless the gap between the current certified sales and the lowest listed claimed figure is narrowed down significantly. So, in order for us to consider the 220 million claim, Carey's certified sales should first be really close to the 175 million claim. When that happens, we'll first remove the 175 million and only then consider adding the 220 million claim.--Harout72 (talk) 17:19, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Well as I said, I'm not interested in pursuing the endeavor further until some millions or so later. I will say this. I have been supportive of your watchful eye on this list for many years, but let's not make this an ownership issue. Can you show me where we had wide ranging consensus to change the rules that were in place for years at 50% criterion for 1990? I'd like to see the discussion where apparently the new adopted criterion became 64%.--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 01:25, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Let's wait until Mariah's certification reach at least 180 million, then we will considering to put her claim on 220 million. We should avoid the far gap between the certification and the claim sales. Nathan, I know how you feel especially when Rihanna now is better than her in sales. I suggest you to buy Carey's albums, singles or digital download as much as you can. Who know, it can help her to reach the 220 million claim. Politsi (talk) 02:18, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

There is no need for consensus when it comes to the required amount of certified sales. This is all based on the amount of sales each music market generates a year. The amount required was raised due to the fact that Japan (RIAJ) made all of their certifications available going back to the 1989. In fact, the requirements are based on the 2010, and in that year Japan's music market share was 25% of the entire global music sales. But I have applied only 15% of it to the year 1989, and left the rest of the 10% for the year 2006 as their digital certification system was launched in the year 2006. I made an exception only because most of the western artists don't do well in the Japanese music market. I have posted all of the details above in the yellow box from the top on this page, each music market's size is specified based on the year 2010.--Harout72 (talk) 02:35, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

@Politsi: Mariah sells albums not singles for 99 cents lol. That's fine Harout, take care.--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 23:35, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Not anymore, obviously... — Tom(T2ME) 06:41, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Flo Rida

Harout. I need your help, if you have a time to check Flo Rida's certification sales total. Is it enough to support the 80 million claim?. This is the reliable source we can possible use if his certification sales can reach that claim. WFOR-TV / http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/06/13/getting-to-know-music-star-local-flo-rida/ what do you think? Thanks. Politsi (talk) 08:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

He's really close to wind up on the list. He needs another 630,000 certified units. Currently has 59.37 million certified units, needs 60 million as the first chart year for Flo Rida is 2008.--Harout72 (talk) 14:08, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Wow..! that's really close. Harout, I'm sorry if my statement look impolite but I still remember your statement when we begin the new rules and increase the requirement amount of certification after Japan's music record. You're saying that if the gap between the artist's certification and the claim sales less than 1 million. We can welcoming that artists into the list and in this situation, Flo Rida's gap is less than 1 million. Considering how close the gap and incredible performances of some new artists against the piracy act in recent years. I think we should welcoming Flo Rida to the list. This is my personal opinion, and you know me. I will follow the result for the list contain in anyway. Thanks Politsi (talk) 01:44, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
I think you're referring to this discussion, where I said the 1 million or less gap is acceptable for those artists that are already on the list. Those artists to have yet to be listed, the required amount should be reached first.--Harout72 (talk) 01:44, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

britney's sales

britney spears has sold over 100 albums and that according to the official wewbsite of RCA [[19]]

Pharrell Williams

Harout.. I need your opinion and perhaps your help. I think Pharrell Williams is a new artists and just release one single or two. But LA Times said that he has sold 100m-records.! This is weird. (http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-blurred-lines-trial-20150311-story.html). What do you think? Thanks. Politsi (talk) 02:03, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Harout, are you there? Actually I'm curious to know about Williams's certification sales. Whether it's enough to support the 100m-claim or not but It's up to you. As long you're not response my question because you mad at me regarding my statement about Flo Rida.(:. And I really need your help to keep an eye for Flo Rida's certification sales, because he's really close to fill in. Thanks Politsi (talk) 01:29, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
I haven't yet gone over his certified sales. Are they already publishing 100 million claim for Pharrell Williams?--Harout72 (talk) 01:46, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Harout. According to this source (http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/chi-blurred-lines-lawsuit-verdict-20150310-story.html) It was stated that Williams has sold 100m-records as a Singer and Producer. While the source from LA-Times mention Williams has sold 100m-records as a singer-songwriter. Harout, If you feel it will be wasting your time to find out his total certification sales since he's still relatively new as a singer-career unlike Bruno Mars. I think we just wait for another time. Thanks. Politsi (talk) 02:32, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
He needs 72 million certified units for a claim as high as 100 million as he's begun charting in 2003. From the US market, I'm seeing:
So that is 21 million certified units from the US. I don't see how he can have 51 million certified units from the rest of the world. The 100 million is just an inflated promotional figure. Later on, when he collects more Gold and Platinum awards, I will begin to keep detailed certified file for him. Right now it isn't worth it.--Harout72 (talk) 03:01, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Okay Thanks Harout.. Nice info. Politsi (talk) 03:20, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Adele to 100m-list

Harout. I've seen that Adele's certification sales has been reach 85 million. Therefore, the 90m-claim is no longer reliable for her. So far, this the only source I've found for her 100m-claim sales (http://www.statejournal.com/story/30783756/cheap-adele-tickets-in-nashville-at-bridgestone-arena-ticket-down-slashes-adele-concert-ticket-prices-at-bridgestone-arena-in-nashville-tn) from The State Journal. Harout, is it possible for us to use that source to bring her to 100m-club? at least for temporary until I get the better one?. What do you think?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 03:29, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

I think its fair. The only thing I don't like is that the source is in someway tied into the promotion of her tour (I know its not necessarily positive), but often the reporters will copy and paste info from the artist's label/press releases etc. I'm cool with the figure, and I'm not saying the source can't work. Let's see what others think.--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 03:32, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Let's wait for Adele to accumulate another 2 million certified units, that should give us some two weeks I'm guessing, and if by then no other sources emerge with 100 million claim, then we'll use this one, at least temporarily.--Harout72 (talk) 05:50, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Tetsuya Komuro

Hi. I'd like to ask how many certified sales does Tetsuya Komuro have? 155.158.41.158 (talk) 12:16, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

In the article it is written sales of records produced by him are more than 170 M. If I could I'd like to ask how many in certified units he sold. Thank you. 2A00:F41:2007:4BA9:CC4E:6CD:78B5:24E5 (talk) 07:28, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

It's really difficult to find how many certified sales for PRODUCED by him records we have. As source claims produced, not sold as solo artist albums, singles etc. there is no reliable information I can see which talks about that. Most of albums or singles produced by him are not certified under his name, but under name of singer or band who performs the song. I've seen only few certified sales assigned to him (e.g. for produced by him Ryoko Shinohara's singles). It's about 2.6 million certified record sales (here when we search for "TK"; no certified sales in RIAA and most probably in other market's databases), which means around 1,5% of 170 million figure. TaurenMoonlighting (talk) 23:15, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Genres

Do we really need to note these in the tables? I don't see how it is in any way relevant to their sales. Even if it is worth including them, they shouldn't be attributed to AllMusic per WP:WikiProject Albums/Sources, which says not to use the site for genres. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:51, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

It's just a general info about artists. Additional sources can always be added if desired.--Harout72 (talk) 05:37, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
To SNUGGUMS. I'm surprised you seems care about this list, since you revert my edit at Katy Perry's wikipage because I add this list into her profile and you said Being listed on another page doesn't automatically mean it should be included on another per WP:CIRCULAR. And for me personally, It looks like you're not give some respect to this list and especially to the editor who's already use their energy to maintaining the reliability of the list.. So, If you also handle and care about this list. I suggest you to find the new claim sales for Katy Perry, since she's the only one who has a very ugly estimation claim sales in this list. Again, if we care about this list. Please do our best and respect the list. Thank you. Politsi (talk) 02:14, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2016

Beyonce has sold 140 albums worldwide http://louievreveals.com/2015/06/14/beyonce-worldwide-record-sales/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyonc%C3%A9_discography 2601:146:C902:9B00:6DE6:B834:E5D8:3BCE (talk) 15:34, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

This list requires certain amount of certified sales based on the first year artists begin to chart. You can find the details on this talk page, in the second yellow box from above.--Harout72 (talk) 16:30, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Johnny Cash (90m-records)

Harout. I need your help. I remember that once we have him on the list with 50m-claim sales. But since this list now started from the 75m. We erase his name. Harout, according to his discography, he has been on chart since 1958, and that's very early beginner. And I believe his total certification sales has been reach at least 25m, but I think you're more know better about it than me. Harout, if his certification sales reach at least 20m. I think we should put his name on the list with 90m-records claim /(http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-25725837) and we should do this as long as he meets the requirement and it will be good for the list quality also. Harout, What do you think? Thanks. Politsi (talk) 10:01, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Isn't there a sales figure around 75 million? It's quite a difference between the 50 million and the 90 million. Johnny Cash's certified sales are 28.5 million, and he hasn't collected that many Gold and Platinum awards since he was listed with 50 million.--Harout72 (talk) 14:15, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
No Harout, I've been trying to search from 75 to 80 million claim but still this claim (90m) and this source (BBC) that I've found so far and the source is new. Harout, in my opinion with his 28.5 million certification and his very early beginner career, it's quite weird his sales only claim around 50 million. His legacy also famous especially in U.S music history. I personally feel comfortable to put him with 90m claim. Thanks Politsi (talk) 01:44, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
I added him to the list. In the future, if you come across a sources claiming lower figures, we should use those, it'd be more logical based on his available certified sales.--Harout72 (talk) 16:52, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Harout, actually there's a source claiming Cash sold 80 million records (http://www.slacker.com/station/johnny-cash-dna) but of course, we can not use that source for the list. But I will still and trying to seek the lower figure for Cash. And Harout...I need your help to keep an eye on Flo Rida's certification sales, because he's really close to join this prestigious club with 80m-claim. I need your help. Thank you Politsi (talk) 02:18, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Uncertified global sales over 100 million not mentioned

Tino Rossi France (Corsica) 500-700 million Frank Sinatra USA 600 million Julio Iglesias Spain 300-500 million Guy Lombardo + Royal Canadians Italy/Canada/USA 350 million Frankie Laine USA 250 million Nana Mouskuri Greece 200-300 million Celentano Italy 200 million Mina Italy 170 million Dalida Italy/France 170 million Al Bano Italy 165 million Bocelli Italy 150 million (raising - in strong activity) Patty Pravo Italy 110 million albums + singles = 150-200 (La bambola alone 40 million shipments total) Pavarotti Italy 120 million Adamo Italy/Belgium 100 million Perry Como USA well over 100 million (for fiscal reasons he destroyed all the documents- remain documented sales of 4 million shipments in one week) Johnny Halliday France well over 100 million Pooh Italy 100 million Camilo Sesto Spain over 100 million Toto Cutugno Italy 100 million Santana USA over 100 million

Unknown sales but in the head group are surely Belafonte, Shirley Bassey, Nat King Cole, Demis Roussos/Aphrodite's Child/Vangelis, Papetti.

The first artist to pass the million sales mark was Enrico Caruso. The first one to pass the million in stereo was Mantovani.

I think it would be proper to mention all of the above in a note, it is not such a long list. We must bear in mind that the Latin speaking (Spanish, French, Portuguese, Italian, Romanian) world population is much larger than the English speaking, and that the Russian-East European market, Arab, Chinese and Indian are even larger and basically melodic.... as well as Japan, Indonesia, Philippines. The world is now looking to Wikipedia (EN) as the main source so it is not serious to avoid mentioning some of the world's sales leaders.

All the best Paolo

Hood lord you people don't read the top of the page don't you? —IB [ Poke ] 10:05, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Let's start: Tino Rossi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tino_Rossi Patty Pravo La bambola https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Pravo Patty Pravo albums alone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Pravo (the singles will be counted later, Patty's family is shipyard owners, so they are used to much higher figures, I have not to tell how much a supertanker costs.--Paolobod (talk) 04:00, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

For the rest I will revert slowly

Julio Iglesias https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio_Iglesiashttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio_Iglesias but must be higher, he is the 8th richest man in Spain. Shakira https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakira if you look on youtube and sum the english and spanish versions of waka waka/loca and others she will go instantly in the Guinnes (over one billion), — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paolobod (talk • contribs) 12:49, 13 February 2016 (UTC) all the best Paolo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paolobod (talk • contribs) 10:47, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2016

Whitney houston total sales has already reached 111.5 because her sophomore album had certified 7xplatinum by the BPI UK

112.198.83.239 (talk) 14:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

 Not done, please see how the sales are compiled by reading the above yellow box in the talk page. —IB [ Poke ] 14:18, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

UPDATE

Rihanna's "Work" is silver in the UK. (BPI) 24.54.229.195 (talk) 02:59, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

David Bowie - 140 million sales

David Bowie had total worldwide sales of 140 million instead of 100 million. [1][2][3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by SomewhereInLondon (talk • contribs) 18:54, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/12092955/David-Bowie-The-legendary-singer-in-numbers.html
  2. ^ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3394872/He-died-worth-600million-sales-soar-Bowie-amassed-fortune-world-tours-property-sales-700-songs.html
  3. ^ http://fortune.com/2016/01/11/david-bowie-career-sales/
That's just a promotional sales figure. We use those sales figures here that are closer to artists' certified sales.--Harout72 (talk) 19:29, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

I was looking through the Bowie's certified sales and they do not add up to the figure stated on the article. My research indicates his global certified sales figure is around 35 million. When was the last time someone fully researched Bowie's certified sales figure? I have also found another publication (BBC Newss) which claims Bowie's total sales was "in the region of 140 million albums over his career".[1] You have some serious research to do — Preceding unsigned comment added by SomewhereInLondon (talk • contribs) 19:59, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20944291
The last time that Bowie's certified sales were updated was yesterday. See this file for all of his available certified sales. If you're getting 35 million certified units, then you're probably double counting some of his certified sales. Be sure to count the highest awards only, once.--Harout72 (talk) 20:26, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

My calculations include Argentina, Poland, Czech Republic, Croatia and a few other countries which you did not include. Do these countries not count? Also, have your calculations included Blackstar? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SomewhereInLondon (talk • contribs) 22:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

We don't look at small music markets such as Czech Republic, Croatia. Such music markets cannot even make a difference of a few hundred thousand certified units for an artists like Bowie or any other. I'm beginning to think you're not familiar with the sizes of those music markets nor are you familiar with their certification levels. For the sizes of those music markets, see Global music industry market share data. For their certification levels, see this. Czech Republic, Croatia together do not even generate as much sales annually as a tiny music market as New Zealand does. As for Poland, it is also a very small music market, and I'm only seeing one Gold certification for David Bowie issued by ZPAV, for "The Next Day" (10,000 units). Same goes to Argentina, very small music market, but I'm not seeing any certifications issued for Bowie by CAPIF.--Harout72 (talk) 02:33, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Flo Rida (Again)

Hi Harout. I just wondering if his certification sales already reach 60 million. Is it possible to use this source for his 80m-claim (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/chuck-bennett/2016/02/18/society-confidential-flo-rida-hits-sabrage/80576402/ from The Detroit News. Hopefully he can join the club soon, because I really want to add this list into his profile as soon as possible. Thank you Politsi (talk) 06:24, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

No he's still at 59.39 million, no progress yet.--Harout72 (talk) 11:45, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Adele (100m-records)

Harout. I really need your help and opinion. Today, I finally found a reliable source for Adele's 100m-claim. But the problem is, the source isn't free! unlike the other source which is available all time for us to read. This source from The Times of United Kingdom /http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/arts/music/article4665862.ece is not fully available for us to read the full article. You must subscribe inside, but the 100m-claim of her was stated at the first of article statement. Harout, is it possible to use that source for Adele? at least for temporary until I find the better one. I need your help. Thank you Politsi (talk) 08:58, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

We need something accessible to everyone for verification purposes. We'll use your other source here temporarily, when she's really close to her current 90 million.--Harout72 (talk) 11:48, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Never mind, I didn't see that the 100 million part was showing. Ok then we can use it, I thought the article wasn't available at all, that you had access to it through subscription. We'll later replace it with another source.--Harout72 (talk) 12:01, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Yes Harout, like I said. The 100m-claim of her was showing at the first statement of the article, but you can not fully read the entire article unless you're subscribe on it. But still, we can use it only for temporarily and I will replace it when I get the better one. I always hate the source from The Times of United Kingdom , it seems that this original times newspaper looks so poor than the other times newspaper chain, which is always showing their full article. Politsi (talk) 12:15, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
So Harout?. We are going to use the source from The Times for Adele's 100m-records claim or not?. Because if yes, I can move her position to the 100m-list. Despite I hate the source from the Times UK but I feel it's time to put Adele at the 100m-club. But if we change our mind and not use that source for her. It's ok. Need your help. Thanks Politsi (talk) 13:21, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Yes, like I said above, we can use that temporarily.--Harout72 (talk) 14:04, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Justin Bieber (75m-records)

Harout. I'm sorry for bringing his name again. But, I've found this source from an online magazine of Croatia (http://www.croatiaweek.com/justin-bieber-coming-to-croatia-for-the-first-time/) Croatia Week. It is one of the world’s leading portals with dedicated current affairs, sports, business, politics, and arts and culture news from Croatia in the English language and is considered one of the most respected sources for Croatian news in the English language. Inside it is stated that Bieber has sold 75m-records. So far, there's no source claiming the sales of Bieber's 75m but I think this source is reliable for temporary. But the point is, How many of his certification sales total so far? is it enough to support the 75m claim?. Harout, I need your help and opinion. Thank you Politsi (talk) 10:11, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Justin Bieber's certified sales have already reached 73.1 million. But I don't think we should use that magazine even temporarily. If there are reliable sources that perhaps claim higher figures for him, they should work, as long as they are too high.--Harout72 (talk) 14:09, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Wow. It's only a month ago that we are thought his certification sales below 60 million. My feeling really work that I think Bieber's certification is actually high because his current song were so popular worldwide. Harout, Sanity (music store)/ http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2301244/Purpose_Deluxe_Edition said Bieber has sold 94m-records. That claim is very suitable with his total certification sales. Harout, can we make an exception for Bieber? and use that source and that fit claim for him on the list?. I ok with that personally, I realize we should use a news organization as source but in some special case, we should do some exception for temporary. Thanks Politsi (talk) 01:54, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Politsi, sometimes they are sources that we can use temporarily, but I'm afraid neither one of the above sources can be used at all. We simply have to patiently wait until something decent comes along.--Harout72 (talk) 02:15, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Hopefully. I'm very disappointed that we can not have Ayumi Hamasaki and Eric Clapton on the list. I hope the same situation not occur to Justin Bieber. Politsi (talk) 02:33, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Johnny Hallyday

According the revert, found out that the archived url (the site is already cited, but not this link; the link is very useful to cite France sales), states sales between 1955-2009 in France: Johnny Hallyday 60,762,686 (total); of which 31,040,394 (single), and 29,722,292 (album). The archived url from 2014 shows sales of 66,301,238. See this non-archived link. Give your review, and note that the (from personal experience while researched) site has correct sales and certifications.--Crovata (talk) 19:33, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

We look at Gold and Platinum awards, not sales figures. Info Disco is not a particularly a reliable source by the way, we use that source with caution as they often have incorrect figures posted next to Gold and Platinum awards representing the awards levels.--Harout72 (talk) 02:02, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, indeed, when tried to figure out from where the total sales information, and how go along with certifications, it just did not work as it should.--Crovata (talk) 02:51, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Lady Gaga (114m-records)

Harout, I hope there's no mistaken here. Because I see her certification sales has been reach 95 million. Therefore, we should find another higher sales figure for her, so far there's no match figure and reliable source I've found but only this (http://fijilive.com/news/2013/07/lady-gagas-new-single-is-applause/54531.Fijilive) from Fiji Live, online newspaper and business and cultural directory in Fiji. I think it's useable and the claim sales inside for her (114 million) is very fit for her certification sales, so I put that claim and source for her in the list. We are know that there a lot of higher claim and inflated sales figure of her outside, but still we should find the most suitable claim sales and reliable source for her. I need your opinion. Thanks Politsi (talk) 07:04, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Politsi, do you remember if we had anything around 125 million? Because Gaga's certification can support claims of 126 million now. —IB [ Poke ] 08:17, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
No Politsi, there is no mistake, the RIAA just recently certified lot of Lady Gaga's singles that hadn't been certified yet. The source you used is ok, and the figure within, the 114 million seems to be in the neighborhood of her actual sales figure. Based on her certified sales, it seems that her actual sales can a little lower that 114, perhaps around 100-105 million, but that figure's ok. Anything higher than that, would be too inflated for the time being. Because the US market is the only market that certifies newer artists' records late, all other notable markets certify singles/albums as soon as records reach the required certification levels. So at the moment, it seems, all Lady Gaga's singles/albums that have reached certification level are certified.--Harout72 (talk) 16:02, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
Okay thanks Harout. and to IndianBio. I personally still feel Gaga's claim sales must reach at least 100 million to reach that claim sales level (125m) and for this moment her claim sales in the list is very perfect. Harout, to be honest I can't sleep well until Justin Bieber include on the list, not because I'm one of his fans (BIG no!) but because I'm very concern with the quality of this list. Hopefully we can use the source from Croatia Week to bring Bieber to the list for temporary with 75m-claim until I get the reliable source and fit claim sales for him, because his certification sales is too perfect. Thank you. Politsi (talk) 04:46, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2016

Beyonce's worldwide records need to be changed they are highly outdated its has been this way since i checked in 2009 here is a link which estimates hers worldwide sales to be around 145-150 million record sales worldwide http://louievreveals.com/2015/06/14/beyonce-worldwide-record-sales/ here is another link for more evidence http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=323424 2A01:388:332:150:8CF6:DFD5:BE7E:8AFF (talk) 00:22, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

 Not done None of them are close to being anything reliable. —IB [ Poke ] 00:29, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Pitbull (76m-records)

Harout. I need your help and opinion about this rapper. Today, I've found this source from a national newspaper for the travel industry/Travel Weekly/ http://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Pitbull-to-christen-Norwegian-Escape and inside it was stated that Pitbull has sold 76m-records. This is one of the only two source I've found so far who claimed Pitbull's 76m-sales, the other being from Westwood One (current)/ http://www.westwoodone.com/learn-more/press/pitbull-and-awolnations-aaron-bruno-sign-up-for-labor-day-duty-on-westwood-one and I'm not sure we can use that source in the list. Harout, how many of Pitbull's certification sales so far? is it possible to support the 76m-claim sales? and Is it possible to use one of that two sources. Harout, I need your help and I'm apologize for bothering you many times.. Thank you Politsi (talk) 04:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Pitbull needs 55.2 million certified units for a claim that high. But I'm seeing only 21 million certified units from RIAA, it's clear that he's not gonna have another 34 million certified units from the rest of the world. The 76 million is just an inflated figure.--Harout72 (talk) 05:08, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Garth Brooks (160m-records)

Harout. Today I decided to increase Brooks's claim sales to 160m-records by using this source (http://www.newsobserver.com/entertainment/music-news-reviews/article64795942.html) because I think 150m-claim is too low for his incredible 144m-certification. Is that ok Harout?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 02:01, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

No need to update Brooks' claimed figure at the moment. 95% of his certifications are from the US market, therefore, we don't have certifications missing. Besides Brooks isn't an early beginner, that is another reason why we have all of his available certified sales. So, let's keep your new source in mind, and if his certified sales go up unexpectedly, I'll definitely replace our current claimed figure with your new source.--Harout72 (talk) 02:25, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Madonna's 275m-claim from Guinness world records website

Harout. That's not a newspaper. Therefore, I kick that source out from the list. I hope is right. Thanks Politsi (talk) 03:16, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

It is correct Politsi, I have always doubted Guiness' ability to produce sales. —IB [ Poke ] 09:15, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Work

"Work" by Rihanna is gold in New Zealand 24.54.229.195 (talk) 05:00, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Rihanna's ANTI is SILVER in the UK (BPI)Rudeby88 (talk) 22:03, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Genesis's 100m source

Harout. I need your opinion, The London Free Press/http://www.lfpress.com/2016/03/03/my-london-genesis-of-success-launched-in-london article said inside "He went on to sell 100 million albums as a solo star plus 100 million or more with Genesis". Harout, is it possible to use that source to change the very old source of Genesis's 100m-records source on the list? What do you think?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 08:39, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

The source says albums, not records. Genesis' certified sales include videos and some singles also.--Harout72 (talk) 13:02, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Rihanna's records sales

Rihanna records sales unreliable and unreal She has sold more than 180 million records not 200 million. Her certificated sales including streams, video plays etc... That's why her certificated sales more than her sales. She has sold more than only 180 million records. 200 million records so unreliable and unreal —Navyiconer (talk) 10:30, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Tupac Shakur

For what reason was the late rapper removed from the list? It is stated in Guiness World Records from the year 2000 that Shakur has over 75 million sales, and at that time, was the best selling rap artist of all time (probably surpassed by now by rappers alive)? 46.239.102.226 (talk) 22:55, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

My bad, the record was from the 2004 edition, and it reports "over 67 million" sales. Should I assume Shakur has not succeeded in passing 75 million sales since 2004 and hence for that reason is omitted from the list? 46.239.102.226 (talk) 23:12, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
You're right he was once on the list, but the required amount of certified sales was raised for all artists, therefore, with some others he was removed from the list. There is at least one source that claims Tupac has sold 75 million records, but that sales figure needs to be supported by 65.2% certified sales (48.9 million certified units) as he's begun charting in 1992. His available certified sales are 46.5 million.--Harout72 (talk) 00:21, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Maroon 5

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6784957/adam-levine-maroon-5-sign-wme That is the source which says they've sold 75 million records. Can it be used? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.28.21 (talk) 19:06, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Another 11.4 million certified units, and it can be used. So far their certified sales are 42.1 million. They need 53.5 million certified units as they've begun charting in 2002.--Harout72 (talk) 00:58, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Justin Bieber (75m-claim)

Harout. I need your opinion, please look at this source (http://www.kfvs12.com/story/31340475/march-1-celebrity-birthdays) from KFVS-TV, Jim Eftink (the producer of that TV News) said Bieber sold 75m-records. And this is the only reliable source I've found so far, Harout is it possible to use that source to bring up Bieber to the list, although based on his certification sales. The 100m-claim is already fit enough for Bieber. Need your help. Thanks Politsi (talk) 02:16, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Politsi, Justin Bieber's certified sales have already surpassed the 75 million mark. His certified sales now stand at 77.4 million. What was the source that claimed 100 million for him?--Harout72 (talk) 04:26, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Harout, there's no source which claim 100m-sales for Bieber so far. Only this source and the 75m-claim, to be honest actually, I think I'm the one who encourage the media to released Bieber's 75m-claim after I realize that his certification sales might be big because his current worldwide popularity. Harout, let's welcoming Bieber to the list with 75m-records for now. I will begin to find the better claim for him, hopefully I can find the 100m-claim sooner but at this moment, if the source I bring up for Bieber is reliable, let's put his name to the list. So now he's officially one of the world's best selling-artists. Need your help Harout.. Thanks Politsi (talk) 05:46, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Harout. What do you think? I think it's ok to put Bieber to the list for now with 75m-claim. I will still find and searching the better claim for him. I understand the situation for him will be much like Katy Perry on the list but at least we have him now.. Thank you. Politsi (talk) 06:51, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
I agree, we can put up Bieber with 75 for now. —IB [ Poke ] 10:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
All done, I put him up on the list.--Harout72 (talk) 13:20, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Well now it means only Ayumi Hamasaki and Eric Clapton who doesn't have a place on the list. If the editor of both two artists didn't keep to revert my edit in their wikipage. We'll have them on the list. Harout, please inform me who's next artists to be placed on, I will try to searching it. Thanks Politsi (talk) 05:13, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Beyonce

Harout..I just asking again, when we can move her up to 100m-list (http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-beyonce-album-review-beyonce-self-titled-album-reviewed-20131214-column.html)? how many of her certification should be?. Need your opinion. Thanks Politsi (talk) 06:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Once she's at 74 million with her certified sales, we'll go ahead and move her up on the list using that source. For the time being, we don't want to create a gap of 28 + million units between her certified sales and that 100 million. Newer artists shouldn't have such gaps.--Harout72 (talk) 15:21, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Katy Perry has sold 186 million records worldwide

As of January 2016, Katy Perry has already sold 24 million albums and 162 million singles with the total of 186 million records worldwide. For the source, you can read here: http://moneynation.com/katy-perry-net-worth/. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaneFilaner (talk • contribs) 11:01, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

No that's a gross unreliable source. —IB [ Poke ] 11:03, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Justin Bieber (100m-records)

Harout. I need your opinion, I've seen his certification sales already reach 77.6 million. Is it quite enough to bring him to the 100m-sales club?. I've found this source/ http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/story/news/local/2016/03/27/bieber-fever-hits-central-valley/82325664/ from Visalia Times-Delta, is the major daily newspaper of Visalia. I think we can use that source if Bieber's certification sales already meet the requirement for 100m-claim. What do you think?. Thanks Politsi (talk) 03:11, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Let's wait for Bieber reach at least 80 million with his certified sales, then we'll move him up on the list. Besides, small fraction of his certifications include streaming, so we are ok for now.--Harout72 (talk) 12:55, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Actually I also feel his certification sales must reach at least 80m for 100m-claim, since a lot of artists which is much more older than Bieber, has a high certification sales (such as Lil Wayne, Jay Z and Bon Jovi). And now we already have a reliable source for new claim sales of Bieber, I need your help to keep an eye on it. Thanks Politsi (talk) 01:26, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

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Mariah Carey's current sales

She has sold over 220 million records now:

Talk:List_of_best-selling_music_artists/Archive_33#Mariah_Carey. —IB [ Poke ] 15:44, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Paul Simon

I did search to make sure there was not already discussion on this. I saw something about Simon and Garfunkel. But where is Paul Simon in the article? I am an amateur at this, but it seems Paul Simon should have at least made the list in the article?Macktennyson (talk) 13:19, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Artists Image / picture

Harout. Since this list about musical artists, so I think the picture of artist on the list should be showing their real identity. While they performing as artists. I hope it's ok. Thanks Politsi (talk) 06:53, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

We need to include the images that are clear enough, lot of the images you added are not, so I reverted your edits. It's not important whether or not the images show the artists performing.--Harout72 (talk) 13:12, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Ok. I understand. Thank you. Politsi (talk) 01:31, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Harout, I change the image for Flo Rida, Bieber, and West. Hopefully that's reliable. Thanks Politsi (talk) 11:04, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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