Talk:Looe Valley Line

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Level of services[edit]

This is now out of date, as it references the winter 2006/07 timetable. The summer 2007 timetable gives (on Mon-Fri) 9 trains in each direction, plus another 3 running until 7 September. 81.158.0.185 00:57, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Change from "Community railway" to Community rail"[edit]

The official term remains "Community Railway" [1]. Any particular reason for the change? --Old Moonraker (talk) 10:25, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That linked page is rather out of date - it only lists nine lines! :Although it is entitled "community railway", it continually refers to "community rail" in the text below. Similarly, the DfT and ACoRP both use the term "community rail" much more often than "community railway". Persoanally, I prefer "community railway"; it seems better grammar.

Thanks for setting up the redirect page. I have been meditating on which to use for a couple of weeks and you have saved me the trouble of changing all the links that I had started to set up beofre I decided to go with the majority. Geof Sheppard (talk) 13:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the update. Community rail it is! --Old Moonraker (talk) 13:53, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Citations[edit]

This discussion has been moved from my talk page as it is directly relevant to this article.Geof Sheppard (talk) 12:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You did not restore a lost ^{[citation needed]} tag. You added a back dated tag to a completely new piece of information (the original contribution was incorrect). That the Coombe token machine is unstaffed is not in doubt as it is in a small locked hut by the side of the track (as stated elsewhere in the article) which is seldom (if ever these days) used. In any case you can go and see for yourself, if you travel the line. 86.133.11.175 (talk) 10:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't dispute the existence of the signalling equipment - I took most of the photographs that illustrate the article - but Wiki has a no original research policy which means that the detailed information about how it is used needs to be backed up by citations. Do you know where we can find these, other than in "private and not for publication" railway rule books? Geof Sheppard (talk) 12:32, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Citations added. There is much on Wikipedia that is not cited but is common knowledge. It is rarely challenged. 86.143.182.140 (talk) 17:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but if it is "common knowledge" then it is unlikely to attract criticisim. The citations are a good start, but the one that you give to replace the "fact" tag only states that the pointwork is now operated from a ground frame by the train crews. I think that the images in this article support this. What I still think needs proper citation is all the detail about the tokens etc. It is presumably written by someone who has very good knowledge of how the line is worked. BUT Wiki expects no original research, so just where can we verify these facts? Geof Sheppard (talk) 12:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A citation has already been provided that states that the Coombe Junction token machine is unstaffed. That same citation also clearly stated that the, "... pointwork is now operated from a ground frame by the train crews". Since the only train crew present are the driver and the guard of the train, and the driver is driving the train, that leaves only the guard to operate the ground frame and hence grant the required authority to traverse the junction. The former citation therefore covers this point. 20.133.0.13 (talk) 12:41, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Line length[edit]

It's nice if the distances in the infobox and the text agree, but they don't at present. I don't know enough to adjudicate. Is our figure measured between the two passenger stations, the junction with the main line and Looe, or Moorswater and Looe? --Old Moonraker (talk) 08:51, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is quite a complicated problem for this line. Not only does it now start 19 chains from the zero point at Looe, but it is measured via the platform at Coombe Junction. The junction itself therefore has two different mileages.

I think the best present day source is Jacobs (Jacobs, Gerald (2005). Railway Track Diagrams Book 3: Western.) which gives the mileage at Liskeard as 8m 72ch. Take off the 19ch and that leaves you with 8m 53ch, or 8.66mi. An older source is Cooke (Cooke, RA (1977). Track Layout Diagrams of the GWR and BR WR, Section 11: East Cornwall.) which puts Liskeard at 8m 67ch, which comes out at 8m 48ch (8.60mi) - this could be read as either 8½ or 8¾ depending on viewpoint. A little more scratching around found 8¾ in the public timetable (although for many years it appears as just 8 in one direction only) while a 1982 working timetable gives 8m 48ch - the same as Cooke! Geof Sheppard (talk) 14:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the research, and to User:Salix alba for the fix. --Old Moonraker (talk) 14:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On-train staff[edit]

One use of "conductor" in the article was deleted because "there's no such person". Here's a current recruiting poster from the operator seeking to hire "confident and … focused conductors" for their operations, so I reverted the deletion. Now some second thoughts: everywhere else in the piece it's "guard", so perhaps it should go back after all; do we use the modern term, or the term which everyone understands but seems no longer to be correct? Views? --Old Moonraker (talk) 20:21, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Signalling Sectional Appendix[edit]

The Western and Wales Sectional Appendix shows a slightly different operation of the signalling. The Coombe to Looe Staff stays with the driver except when needed to turn the No. 1 points. The Liskeard to Coombe token is left behind at the token box. Techie3 (talk) 06:18, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The train cannot pass from the Looe branch to the Liskeard branch without changing the points so that token cannot remain with the driver as it has the ground frame key attached to it. The Liskeard token is only placed in the Coombe machine if a train is expected to move from Moorswater to Liskeard (which as the branch is now closed never happens). The token otherwise remains with the guard when travelling to Looe because he can only give it to the driver once the route is set up for Liskeard as the driver's authority to enter that branch. 2A00:23C8:9883:2601:8B0:E34:323C:B0FC (talk) 12:14, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@2A00:23C8:9883:2601:8B0:E34:323C:B0FC The token withdrawal is required to suppress the TPWS at the Looe points. Techie3 (talk) 17:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]