Talk:Mana of Seleucia-Ctesiphon

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Catholicos or not?[edit]

Currently, the article tells us:

In all these accounts he is anachronistically called 'catholicus', a term that was only applied to the primates of the Church of the East in the fifth century.

But Mana was bishop (etc.) in 420, i.e. in the 5th century. So, it would be good to know the date more precisely: When exactly did the the title come in use?

The article Catholicos#Origin of the title draws a pretty different picture: The title was used in the 4th century already, the claim of superiority was made shortly after, and that claim was "strengthened" around 400, by one of Mana's predecessors.

If so, why would Mana give up his predecessor's title and claim of superiority? Is it correct that applying the title to Mana is "anachronistical", as the article tells us? – Or others, the two articles are in contradiction to each other, and I'm afraid I'm not (not at all) a church historian who could tell which information is true. -- Martinus KE (talk) 13:51, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]