Talk:MapleStory/Archive 5

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Farming

From a recent edit this was added. Personally, I haven't heard of this happening yet (not necessarily that it doesn't happen, but not that common yet). And this is far moer a problem with all MMO's, not just MapleStory. I feel this goes in a more general MMO page rather than here. -- Prod-You 04:38, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

A rising issue is Money Farming. Money Farming is repeating a certain action(s) over and over in order to collect in-game items usually in order to exploit the game's virtual economy. A gold/money, or in this case, 'mesos', farmer would farm items for the sole purpose of sale to other players via eBay or IGE (also called RMT - Real-money trading). There are organized cooperate companies that hire people farm money. More specifically, "factories" located mainly in asia, where internet connections are cheap, living costs are low, and uncontrolled wages, and child labor problems are present. These companies hire people, more or less, children, to sit day in and day out farming virtual money. The money is then sold online for real life cash. The consequences of doing so is a quickly spread inflation of the virtual economy, which can turn a good, healthy economy into ruins.

Maplestory DS

So far it has not been confirmed wether or not to remove this. MapleStory DS is not released yet and should not be in the article. Also, it should be part of the version section. It's annoying to start reading this and then all of a sudden it jumps to a completely different thing.

69.214.223.104 02:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Good Article

I have read this article and I am amazed by how it is structured and how it flows. It's even so persuasive that I am downloading Maplestory as we speak.

Thanks HybridCreations

I take it this is a clever way of critiquing the article for positive POV?--24.50.17.95 22:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Recent removal of the MapleTip website.

Recently, a person, 219.75.107.97 to be exact, has been removing this website. The website has power filtering, has extensive information, and more. So if you see this site or any others removed, please readd it.

Also, I suggest that major guidelines for the fansites are to be significant sites, sites with information, or sites with a huge userbase. -- 68.78.148.16 03:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

User 68.78.148.16 is actually wiki id 'Mapletip'. He uses several guises to persistantly and consistently deletes other maple websites from listing in the section, using comments such as 'remove popups' (where there is actually none), as well as other irrelevant input in the comments section so as to disguise his hidden agenda. He also deletes other sites using comments such as 'not informative', 'nothing new' etc etc when his own site is also a site full of duplicated info easily available from hidden street and else where. The only thing he done is do a little rearranging, put in a few graphics, and he thinks he has a "significant" site lol. He can delete other sites with glee, but when it happens to his insignificant site he goes crying (and of course, try to advertise his website unashamedly yet again. Lame.) 219.75.107.97 03:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I actually don't have Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups (which is a tool for wikipedia). Also, you should know that websites that don't have content shouldn't be added. Mapletip 05:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

For the commnet on the edits of Maplestory, my library moderators can be found here. Also, I used the template to place unsigned comments, sign your comments by using 4 tildes (~~~~) Mapletip 06:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Nobody said you were using popups. "using popups" is just one of the comments you use when you delete other people's websites. 219.75.107.97 06:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't accuse me for that. You can ask an administrator to check. Also, I have requested Third Opinon. Mapletip 06:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It is not an accusation, it is a fact. It is somewhere in the pages of history. What are you going to do if I take the effort to go through all the pages and find it? It will be extremely tedious but if the result is you are going to brush it off and say something lame like it wasn't on purpost, then it wouldn't be worth my time. Do you agree that if I can find such an example of you commenting 'using popups' on the pretext of deleting other websites then you apologise and agree to self-remove your website mapletip from wikipedia as punishment? 219.75.107.97 06:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm not exactly sure what this argument is about -- what's going on? Are we debating whether mapletip.com should be included in the external links? Luna Santin 06:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

In a nutshell, yes. 219.75.107.97 06:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I have requested that this article be semi-protected due to an edit war between two anonymous users, who are likely to be acting in bad faith. Please stop the edit war - otherwise the article will be semi-protected, and both of you risk being blocked by an administrator (I'm not one, or I'd block both of you). --J.L.W.S. The Special One 06:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I have stopped as I have requested Third Opinon. An administrator is also needed to settle this case. Mapletip 06:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why MapleTip should be excluded from the external links. It is a significant site, has an extensive database, auction site to buy and sell items on MapleStory, and much more. AnInsanePie 06:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I am not acting in bad faith. I am merely highlighting what is happening which may otherwise go unnoticed to most people. If i only achieved drawing him out from editing using anonymous ips to using his registered one (mapletip) it is still an achievement as now people can realise his hidden agenda. Yes an administratior is needed to compile all the ips used by mapletip in the history of edits of the maplestory article and mark them all under user mapletip, as when that be done, his hidden agenda becomes obvious to all. 219.75.107.97 06:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Urgent Admin Intervention Requested!!

There is currently an edit war between two anonymous users, 219.75.107.97 and 68.78.148.16. 219.75.107.97 has violated 3RR. In addition, two other anonymous vandals, 203.45.125.4 and 203.164.95.238, are repeatedly vandalising the article. I request that the MapleStory article be semi-protected and all three IPs be blocked. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 07:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

68.78.148.16 is only one of the ips used by user 'mapletip'. Please read above section. 219.75.107.97 07:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

203.164.95.238 is also repeatedly vandalising the article; I have added this to the "admin intervention" note.

To 219.75.107.97, you have violated 3RR. 68.78.148.16 has not. Both of you should be blocked for revert warring, although your block is likely to be longer because you have violated 3RR. In addition, the two other IPs should be blocked for vandalism.

You cannot accuse Mapletip of being 68.78.148.16. You need to ask an admin to run a CheckUser request to prove it.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 07:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

(JLWS, so far the only person who said 64.160.186.89 is mapletip was you. 219.75.107.97 07:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC))

J.L.W.S., I double checked on your ip given (namely 64.180.186.89) and I don't see where you get that ip from. Read the above section, Mapletip's anonymous ip is 68.78.148.16. Kindly refrain from adding to the confusiion by plucking ips from thin air, thank you. 219.75.107.97 07:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry - I copied the wrong IP from the page history. This has now been fixed.

68.78.148.16 is me. Mapletip 07:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

That's what I said. 219.75.107.97 07:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

A Third Opinion on the MapleTip website

As listed here at the moment, there seem to be two issues of contention. The first concern is whether or not the MapleTip website is worth including; specifically, does mapletip.com steal information. The second concern is whether or not User:Mapletip is "using underhand methods to remove other websites" from the list of external links. I think that the first issue should be dealt with here on the talk page in order to achieve some consensus. To this end, would all editors agree to immediately cease adding or removing this website's link from the article, with the understanding that a long-term consensus can then be reached and the link appropriately added/removed if necessary? Does this sound reasonable? Any thoughts? --P e ruvianLlama^(spit) 07:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It does not bother me whether mapletip circumvents copyright or if his site is worth adding. What bothers me is how he in manupulating the listing of sites in maplestory article under anonymous ip, while taking every chance to promote his own site (even in my ip's page! lol). Also, see his mapletip's user discussion page and you will find evidence how he had then liased with Luna Santin upon spotting that user in this acticle discussion page so as to privately gain support. That is one more evidence of his underhanded behaviors 219.75.107.97 07:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I submit that whether or not User:Mapletip is practicing underhanded deeds to promote some websites above others, is an issue for another time. It's important, but I think it's more important to stop the revert-warring as soon as possible. It would be helpful if you would explicitly state your problems with the mapletip.com website - then perhaps those who feel the site should be included, can respond to your objections in a reasonable manner. --P e ruvianLlama^(spit) 07:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I did state all the problems of mapletip(wiki user) and his website. All users need to do is read instead of ask. 219.75.107.97 07:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It would help then if you would re-state the issues then, just in a more compact form. What I'm trying to get at here is exactly what quality of the mapletip.com website you think disqualifies it as being linked from the article, and why exactly you think this. Once your position has been clarified, then everyone can respond to it in a much more reasonable and structued manner, and we can get away from this business of just throwing accusations and IP addresses around. --P e ruvianLlama^(spit) 07:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you read the section "Recent removal of the MapleTip website." Or do I need to make another section like it? 219.75.107.97 07:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Please present them in point form. 219.75.107.97 is apparently accusing 68.78.148.16 of spamming by adding MapleTip, and also of removing other sites from the external links list. In addition, 219.75.107.97 should be blocked for violating 3RR, and edit-warring. I recommend both 219.75.107.97 and 68.78.148.16 create an account. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 08:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

In response to J.L.W.S. The Special One: 219.75.107.97 is trying to co-operate in resolving the dispute, so there's really no need for a block at this point. --P e ruvianLlama^(spit) 08:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

In response to 219.75.107.97: I have read the section you mentioned, however much of your criticism therein seems aimed at User:Mapletip. To resolve the immediate issue, I'm looking for you to re-list your primary concern(s) with the website itself (mapletip.com) and why it should not be listed. If your only concern(s) is/are with User:Mapletip, then the external link to mapletip.com should be re-added, and you should follow another dispute resolution method with the user in question. If you have specific concerns about the website, I think it would be fine if you just listed them in this section; no need to create another one. --P e ruvianLlama^(spit) 08:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

My concerns with the user and the website have both been listed. Are you genuinely tring to figure the whole thing out or are you just working to cause me frustration? Because if you are only working to frustrate me, then i may stop responding here and then you will not have another chance to see this side of the story or explain your side of yours. Think about it. Is that what you want? For me to go away from here? Because you may just get what you wished for.219.75.107.97 08:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

If you stopped responding, there'd be no more war for us to deal with, and I could do something better than humouring some anons. Please avoid making personal attacks on Mapletip. List your concerns in point form. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 08:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

stfu you bastard. If you have no interest in the whole story then get the f out of here. 219.75.107.97 08:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks will not be tolerated. I am genuinely trying to see your side of the issue here. If you do not want to outline it in any clearer than saying mapletip.com is "... a site full of duplicated info", then I think consensus is very clearly against you. Please, state your thoughts, or drop the issue entirely. --P e ruvianLlama^(spit) 08:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

For now, I've re-added the mapletip.com link to the article, since consensus seems to be in favour of the link being present, and there have been no cogent arguments to the contrary. If any editors disagree, then I would urge them to discuss the issue first - please, do not simply remove the link again without achieving consensus here on the talk page. Cheers. --P e ruvianLlama^(spit) 08:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Just be aware that at least one admin (i.e. me) watches over this page - I won't block anyone or protect the page because you all seem to be talking, but if the edit warring continues, nasty things will happen. enochlau (talk) 08:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

219.75.107.97 has been blocked for edit warring, violating 3RR, making personal attacks and vandalising my userpage. Therefore, it seems that the worst is over. As there are at least three other IPs involved (219.75.107.97's opponent in the edit war and at least two anon vandals), semi-protection to this page would be most appreciated. In addition, I will request that my user space be semi-protected as well. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 08:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Archive this Talk?

This talk has become too long, I suggest to archive it seeing how the old archives are.. really short. --Mapletip 14:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Done -- Prod-You 16:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

So you want to cover up your underhanded deeds? Do you think that I am the only one who noticed your ways? If you don't want people to find out, then why do it at all? Not every web surfer only skims through wiki once and leave forever. Some come back again and again and when they do that, they WILL notice what you are doing. 219.75.107.97 04:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello, 219.75.107.97. I see you have returned from your block. I'd just like to remind you to assume good faith and refrain from making personal attacks. Please try to seek and respect consensus on this talk page, instead of constantly reverting and possibly getting blocked again for violating 3RR. I suggest you create an account and try to resolve this issue through the dispute resolution process. Now, please relist the reasons why MapleTip should be delisted, in point form, without making personal attacks. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 05:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Go away JLWS and quit pretending to be an admin. I was blocked by Peruvian and not you LOL. What right do you have to feign interest in the dispute when you have already shown in your previous statments that you start off being bias against anons. You seem to think of yourself as Judge Judy of some sort, where in reality you are just someone in crisis and want to use this place to vent. Remind yourself that in reality you are just a 14 yr old outcast from society hiding behind your computer in your make believe world and stop poking your nose where you are not wanted. We have a diligent admins here called peruvian and you are not an admin for a reason. Wake up, kid. 219.75.107.97 11:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I have never pretended to be an admin. When I referred to your "possibly getting blocked", I meant I could easily call in an admin to block you. I only wanted to request MapleStory be semi-protected due to an edit war between two anons and vandalism by other anons; then I somehow got dragged into the dispute. What I posted was simply a gentle reminder about Wikipedia's policies, and some helpful links. If you really want to resolve this, you should follow the dispute resolution process. If you persist in making personal attacks, vandalizing my user page, and disrupting Wikipedia, I'll report you to an admin, and you'll get blocked again. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello 219. The only complaint I have with MapleTip (website) is that it started out as a copy of hidden-street without a reference (which in turn was a translation of A drop of maple which they did reference). Oh, and they have MapleWiki which is a competitor to the book I'm working on. Apart from that, they have a huge community and a lot of info on the site making it a very useful resource, which makes the site fairly useful. Whatever MapleTip's (user) actions were are irrelevant to what goes on the main page. I think these are the concerns you wanted addressed so if you have any problems please post. Also registering is quick and helps the rest of us out so we can tell you you are; my memory sucks for numbers >.>. -- Prod-You 21:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Just to settle anything else up, MapleTip is userbased, meaning all information has been obtained from users with the help of screenshots to help verify. The webmasters don't even handle the database data, we just code the infrastructure. A topic can be found here full of "what drops from what monsters". Unlisted Monster Drops and the entire forum for user to library mod interaction is here. Therefore, we don't copy information from anyone else but our own members. Mapletip 03:37, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Right, pass the buck to your members 219.75.107.97 20:54, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm back on the project.

I took a long break from Wikipedia in general during the summer, but I'm back, and will be working on this article. With that said, is there anything that specifically needs attention? Meanwhile, I'll be focusing on less-significant details, such as;

Enhancing sentence fluency
Removing 'strategy guide' information (information only players would take interest in)
Creating a universal format for the article
Neutral Tone

The Captain Returns 23:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC), aka Messiah (Scania)

Editprotected

There is a spot in the article about Mapelstory France. That version DOES NOT EXIST and was created by a 3rd Party other than Wizet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 00Quick00 (talk • contribs) 09:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC) (UTC)

Declined. This changes needs a consensus from fellow editors first. Uncomment the editprotected tag when you have an agreement. -- Netsnipe ► 10:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

This is absolutely UNTRUE. Maple France is part of Maple Europe beta, you should know that by Common Sense when you go to MapleEurope's website and find that there's a french version of the website. Mapletip 22:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no separate "Maple France". There is only Maple Europe (according to the official website). From the website: "There are 10 channels available. Two channels will support all languages, and two channels will support each available languages." They are not separate "servers" (such as MapleGlobal is separate from MapleSea). The client can be installed in french, or 4 other languages. However, the client, and servers are the same for all of Europe. What you are suggesting is that there is a Maple Canada since it is a part of Global, which there isn't. There is a MapleStory France website but that is simply an information website which links back to MapleGlobal. And be warned when using the "Common Sense" argument; Common sense is not very common. -- Prod-You 23:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

What? Maple Story France dont exist? 60.241.254.111 11:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

No it doesn't, only MapleStory Europe exists, which has french only channels. -- Prod-You 14:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Time to unprotect?

It's been a while now, I'm sure the vandal has stopped, I think it's best if we should undo the semi protect. Mapletip 03:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Please wait a few more days before lifting semi-protection. His block has recently expired, and it remains to be seen whether he will continue posting here or vandalizing my user page. If after a few days we hear nothing of him, we can lift the semi-protection. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 05:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

It's been 5 days, I think that should have been long enough. -- Prod-You 04:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

The hired merchant

I am wondering about the new free market pass.(hired merchants) How many items do they allow people to sell? Thank you Cabd33 04:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Good Article Commentary

I won't review the same article for GA twice, but I will give some opinions regarding the article:

The prose, by and large, is good enough for me. Sure, it could stand a copyedit, but so can a million other articles.
"Though the 2D graphics don't give players the best sense of realism, it's an important part of MapleStory because it allows each game area to be larger." It's an odd, opinionated statement. It implies realism is always a good thing, and I think relative sizes are hard to compare. A mention of the anime-styled characters (a staple of Korean MMO) would be a better subject here.
The controls section only seems to be there as a vehicle for an unsourced complaint ("...some complaint from players..."). It's already established the game uses keyboard and mouse, so it seems redundant.
In ranking: "their level and percentage." Percentage of what? If it's percentage to next level, just say "experience", and maybe mention the lack of level caps.
Not sure why RuneScape is being compared to in the death section. MMOs handle death differently; any two will do it differently.
Sometime reading this article it occured to me that the article is {{verylong}}, clocking in at 62kb. I definitely think some sections can be scaled back (Monster skills, looking at you).
Lastly, as usual, you can never have too many citations in the criticism section.

Hope that helps a bit with your ongoing efforts to achieve GA. Nifboy 02:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I got rid of the 2D graphics bit, and added a sentence about the chibi style to the intro. Changed the wording in the controls section to get rid of the complaint. Got rid of the mention of percentage completely, its not as "specific" but the information is still there. Finally I cut down the monster skill section. I would agree with getting rid of the RuneScape reference since its RuneScape that does things differently from all other MMO's not MS. Most of them (that ive played) involve EXP loss, but item loss doesn't seem as common. Not sure how many citations we can get for the criticisms section, since most of them tend to be within forums. Thanks for the help Nifboy. -- Prod-You 04:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Hacking

This article is very misleading as to what happens to the hacker when they get caught. When you get caught hacking, your acccount gets banned permanetly along with the email address. IT DOES NOT BAN IP ADDRESS. Thus, you can create another email address and restart your account.

Do you have any proof? Mapletip 20:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know specifics about what this user was talking about, but I am certain that most people who get banned, just start a new char, so it probably isn't by IP. -- Prod-You 21:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Banning is not done by ip address. I know this because I have personally been banned before, and I simply made another account with a new email address. ers35 20:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA

This article failed the GA noms due to having a very in-game perspective. Pehaps a history and development section might make it less in-game? Tarret 14:07, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the overwhelming help and well-explained, justified reason for why it failed. The Captain Returns 23:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Be nice; GA is perhaps more than a little overworked. Nifboy 00:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

History behind the game: They had a beta server. Development: it was made in Korea. Not much else is known.

Long Term Semi Protection

I say we should semi protect this article for 2-3 weeks simply because everyday there are at least one vandal that vandalize this wiki and it's always an IP address. Semi protecting will better guard this article from misleading people. Mapletip 03:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I've only recently put this article on my Watchlist and already I've had to revert more than a couple vandalisms. It's honestly getting out of hand. KojieroSaske 04:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I've had this on my watchlist for over a year. Vandalism is annoying, but a lot of the additions tend to be from ip's (cleanup is typically registered users). There's at least 4 or 5 of us who watch this page, so I don't think its necessary to protect it. -- Prod-You 14:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Although you watch it, you are not going to mother this topic 24/7. Some people will be reading this and sometimes people vandalize small things but cause a lot of misleading information. Since it's mainly the people using IP addresses, I suggest we should semi protect it for a while and see how it goes. Mapletip 21:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Dark Knight re-direction??

Why does Dark Knight re-direction to this article?? There is no reference to any Dark Knights in it. Shouldn't Dark Knight re-direction to something like Bat-Man? :p --207.119.3.152 11:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

It used to be a disambig page, so converted it back to that. -- Prod-You 15:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

4th Job Spearman. But it isn't that useful yet anyway. The Captain Returns 22:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

We need a portal

and perhaps a banner saying that u play maplestory

Do you mean a userbar? I have one if you want to see it in my profile.

And how is this necessary? There are userbars all over the Internet, you just ask for them. MapleStory is also just one of the many MMORPGS out there. I don't see why MapleStory has to have its own Portal, if that's what you mean. The '"First"' Doll 11:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Game issues section

I felt that this particular section contained information that was too detailed to be included in an encyclopedia article. The section went so far as to describe the name of a publicly released hack, as well as the name of a website where hacks are promoted. The paragraph was heavily biased and contained too much unnecessary information. I have reduced it and rewritten it from (I hope) a neutral point of view. Just to let you guys know what I did. Kalani ^[talk] 08:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Fixed it up some more, I personally think that some of it should be removed and probably shortened to simply 1 paragraph. Mapletip 03:31, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Thai Floating Market

Anyone know the way to access to Thai Floating Market? I am just curious and want to know. OhanaUnited 03:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

"Exclusive" content re-evaluation

Since the addition of several Asian MS worlds in KMS a few weeks ago, none of those maps are considered "exclusive" any longer. Do you suppose it would be prudent to affix a Star label onto the MS versions which those updates were originally designed for?

My suggestion is to remove it. It isn't very encyclopedia like. Mapletip 23:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it's relevant and encyclopedic to say which version had what first. 130.95.106.154 02:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Maplestory DS

I think this should be removed and put in a "See also" section. Maplestory DS has nothing to do with Maplestory the pc version. Mapletip 03:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I Agree. The two games are of the same kind, but as the DS version is yet to be realeased, i say it should not be included, save maybe 1 sentence at the bottom saying something along the lines of the fact it is in development. Cabd33 04:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Wizet: MapleStory

What is this? with other games, you don't see the company name on the title. I strongly suggest changing back to "MapleStory".---Lancerex6 13:27, 03 October 2006 (UTC)

I've reverted the move. It was a silly idea by whoever did it I think. enochlau (talk) 04:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

A Maple Story Fansite Unmentioned

It's called Mapledestinies.com It isn't too informational, but It's got everything I have made having to do with maplestory on it, such as screen shots, comics, my stories, and the bios of the characters in my story. There is absolutely no cursing on my site, and no inappropriate things.

Sorry but fansites are listed for specific reasons. The ones we currently have are there because they are very useful as references. They are not put up for promotion of any kind. Your site doesn't have much that can really contribute to the article, so it's best not to list it. KojieroSaske 23:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Article growing redundent, too long.

I find that the Maplestory article is explaining much more than it should. This article is turning into a walkthrough/game guide of every little detail in the game, and that is unnecessary. The article should only cover the main points of the game, and not everything such as "Maplestory slang". That is irrelevant to the gameplay, and is very insignificant, such as many other things in this article. I know that many people want to improve this article by contributing much information, but please, to an extent. Could we fix this in any way? xminivann 22:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the article may contain unnecessary small details, but its not turning in a walkthrough/game guide. I've removed the requirement for making a guild, for it is unnecessary.Lancerex6 16:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Is Thai Floating Market available in KoreaMS?

Someone edited the version content and put a tick in the KoreaMS section for Thai Floating Market. There has been no information released regarding to this area in the KoreaMS official website. Is there any evidence of this area release?Lancerex6 14:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe KoreaMS Tespia has Thai Floating Market now as of version 1.2.64. Takiten 22:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Jipang renamed to Zipangu???

Why? I am aware that the Thailand version of maplestory recently got "Jipang", but they are calling it "Zipangu". Shouldn't we just leave the name "Jipang" instead? The Japanese version clearly calls it "Jipang" when you translate it to English. Takiten 19:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Well now, mSEA is getting "Zipangu" now too, and they are going with that name instead of Jipang. I suppose this changes everything... Takiten 17:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

its called "Jipangu" in msea. Freescoring 17:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it is called Zipangu, what with the Zi sounding like a J. Tenryuu 03:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Showa Town not released in KoreaMS?

I heard when Jipang (Zipangu) came out on KoreaMS via the World Tour NPC, they did not get the Yakuza Town (Showa Town) area. Should this be specified on the main article/world article somewhere? Anyone know if KoreaMS has the Showa Town area yet? This needs some investigating. Takiten 22:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Showa Town is not released in KoreaMS or KoreaMS (Tester). -- Darknshadow 03:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

This article is very incorrect

Many things in this article needs citations, needs updating, and of course needs to be in a good article shape. Last time I checked this article, it was good. I come back a couple weeks later and I've got bits of HTML sticking out. Let's get this article back to what it's supposed to be. Mapletip 03:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)