Talk:Microsoft Mahjong

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Clean-up...

Well, I did a bit of work on this page, and I think it can claim a rating something above a stub. Agreements? Comments?

Pcboy 15:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

• agreed. 82.6.96.74 (talk) 09:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes I would put the scoring up on the main page as there must be literally 10's or 100's of thousands of people who are wondering how it works. I think rotate the pyramid of letters 90 degrees anticlockwise - just to make the removal order a bit more natural - top to bottom.

You might want to add something about the probabilities of scoring above a thousand. Choosing boards with largely hidden winds with the Fortress layout scores of above a thousand happen about every 180 games. High score 1182. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.198.252 (talk) 16:58, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

scoring explained

I was unable to find an explanation of the scoring system in this game anywhere.. and so the following is probably original research, and shouldn't be included in the article; i fixed the statement in the article which said that a good score was determined by a fast time, but in fact score and time are not related at all. Hopefully the following paints a complete picture.

When clearing two tiles, each tile has a value assigned to it (1, 2, 3..), and you get the sum of those two values added to your score. The value of each tile is a measure of how many tiles were cleared to get to it. An exact description will be given below. A way to get extra points is when you clear two sets of identical tiles consecutively (e.g. two red dragons followed by two red dragons) then the second set is worth double what it would normally be (this is mentioned in the article as well).

Multipliers

But the way to get really high scores (i.e. 1000+) is to use the bigger multipliers given by the N,E,S,W tiles and the season and flower tiles. For scoring purposes, all the N,E,S,W tiles are equivalent to each other, and all of the season and flower tiles are equivalent. So if you clear multiple pairs of N,E,S,W tiles, the multipliers go 1,4,8,16,16,16,16,16 (there are eight pairs of these tiles, and it is possible to clear them all consecutively). For example, say you clear two North tiles, then they are worth their normal value mentioned above and described below. If this is followed by two South tiles, say, then the South tiles will be worth 4 times what they would normally be worth.. followed by, say, two W tiles, they would be worth 8 times, etc. Similarly for seasons and flowers.. two flowers followed by two season tiles would give you 4 times the points of the season tiles.

Tile values

Any tile that can be cleared at the beginning of the game is worth 1 point. For every tile cleared horizontally to get to a tile, 1 is added to its value, and for every tile cleared on top of it, 1 is added to its value. For example, consider the 5 tiles at the beginning of a game:

A B C D E 
   

A and E are always worth 1 point. If A is cleared, then B cleared, then B is worth 2. If C is then cleared it is worth 3, and if D is then cleared it is worth 4. But if E was initially cleared instead of A, then D would be worth 2 (=1+1) instead of 4 (=1+3). In fact, if all tiles other than D were cleared, then D would be worth 5 (=1+3+1). Similarly, if all but C were cleared, it would be worth 5 (=1+2+2). An interesting twist is that if A, B and E were cleared, and then C and D were cleared simultaneously, then they would each be worth 5. So the maximum score for this arrangement of tiles would be 14, while the minimum would be 11. If, for example, these 5 tiles had been buried by one layer of tiles above, then 1 would be added to all their scores. This description comes with the following exception: any tile whose left or right edge is exposed at the top at the beginning of the game, (even if it is buried under other tiles) is always worth 1 point.

For example, in the Turtle puzzle, on the right side in the middle we have:

... A

... B E
        G H   
... C F

... D

Where E and F are blocked by G and H. Here A,D and H are worth 1 (because they can be cleared at the start), G will be worth 2 (since one tile is needed to be cleared on its right), E will be worth 1 (because its upper right corner is exposed) and F will be worth 3 (because it is blocked by two tiles, and the exception doesn't apply since both upper corners were covered at the beginning of the game), B and C are both worth 4 (since 3 tiles need to be cleared to get to each of them). Strictly speaking, if one were to clear the tiles on B and C's left instead of right, then they would be worth 12 (since there are 11 tiles blocking them on the left). Of course one would need to clear more than 11 tiles, because many of those 11 are buried under stacks.. but this extra effort doesn't affect the value of the tiles.

I hope this clears up any questions. I can't help but think that this strange exception, regarding whether the upper left or right side of a tile is exposed at the beginning, is in some way not what was intended by the programmers.. 82.6.96.74 (talk) 14:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Therefore, for the first example with A B C D E, there are three possible scores: finishing with C or E (ABCDE, ABEDC, ...) is worth 11, finishing with D (ABCED, ...) is worth 12, and finishing with CD simultaneously is worth 14. 66.130.149.147 (talk) 02:43, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Windows 7 RC1

Question: Anyone know whether this game is included in Win7RC1, or whether it will still be installed after I upgrade from Vista? 207.67.51.182 (talk) 22:37, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Answer: I've just finished the upgrade from Vista to Windows 7, the game is upgraded correctly. I don't know if it is installed with a fresh copy of Windows 7 though.

Answer: Installed fresh copy of windows 7 and Mahjong Titans is included.Scooter bay-b 1 17:56, 9 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scooter bay- b one (talk • contribs)

Answer: yes, it is included. Anyway but for your efforts it would be very hard to understand the scoring mechanism (thanks i was getting crazy trying to get it by myself, despite my >1,000 p scoring. However I admit I do not understand why E and F would have different values). Again, thanks a lot! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.1.199.113 (talk) 16:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Question: I've been trying to find information about the timer next to the score. For some reason my results are weird showing illogical results. There appears to be no explanation in the help section and a sentence or two on the timer would be useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wje37fcsm (talk • contribs) 16:14, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

name

What is the name of the Mahjong Titans program? example: blank.exe GoPeter452 (talk) 14:16, 9 January 2011 (UTC) Answer: "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Mahjong\Mahjong.exe" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.239.70 (talk) 16:12, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Issues here

You seem to be counting the mahjong app for Windows 8 as the same product as the old Mahjong Titans game from Vista/7. Personally, this is wrong. They are completely different products. ViperSnake151  Talk  15:52, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

This article is about all of the mahjong solitaire games that have been released by Microsoft: Taipei, Mahjong Titans, and Microsoft Mahjong. Having separate articles for each would likely not satisfy WP:N. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 15:56, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi. I think too. It's an article about two different games, albeit with similarities in nature, publisher, price point and partly license. User:Dream Focus also expressed the same feelings. (See User talk:Dream Focus#Microsoft Mahjong) Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 15:59, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Again: three games, not two. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 16:03, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, I really feel it's about two. Sorry.

I think the solution is to seriously regard them as separate games. We pick the most notable one of them all. Only that game gets to have the article title and an infobox. Then we add its forerunners and their details to the history section. It successors and similar games respectively go to the legacy section. We can negotiate on section titles. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 16:07, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Conditional support: The most recent game should be the one that gets the title and infobox, since the article would be quite confusing otherwise. You also didn't mention that a single infobox template would first need to be chosen, since two are currently used in this article. Additionally, you didn't explain why you "really feel its [sic] about two" games. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 16:11, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I didn't mention, yes, but as you have perfectly grasped the point, I guess I needn't have. As for the number of the games, I only see two in the article: One that is developed by Oberon (included in WEP, Vista and 7) and one that is developed by Arkadium (in Windows Store). Where is the third? Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 12:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

The WEP version has nothing to do with Oberon, so it counts as a separate game. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 13:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

This article is about a Mahjong game that came with Windows. The only mahjong game that has come with Windows in any way is Titans. We can note that "On Windows 8, Mahjong Titans and other previously bundled games were removed in favor of new, enhanced versions available as Windows Store apps." ViperSnake151  Talk  23:24, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the first sentence - what gives you that idea? Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 08:37, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

An infobox that labels it as a Windows component. ViperSnake151  Talk  19:06, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

That's not the first infobox in the article. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 20:46, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I think the amount of notability should decide; i.e. the amount of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. The one that is most notable gets to have the article title, infobox and the main prose. (There is a reason for that too: The "main prose" is by definition the bulkiest of the prose and that means more sources available.) If we couldn't decide, we can always revert to WP:STABILITY formula: The subject for which the article was first developed is the primary subject. (It's a compromise.) Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 12:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Oppose per consensus at Talk:Microsoft Minesweeper#Requested move. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 13:47, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

WP:GNG is a widely-accepted guideline and cannot be overruled by some rename discussion. Besides, we are not facing a "Natural disambiguation vs. parenthetical" case here. "Mahjong Titans" is not parenthetical. Once we established the article contents as needed, we will request an admin to perform the rename without having a separate move discussion. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 18:30, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Now that another move discussion has been started at Talk:Microsoft Minesweeper#Requested move (again), I suggest that we wait for it to finish before doing anything of this type here. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 12:11, 5 August 2013 (UTC)