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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
June 23, 2008	Good article nominee	Not listed
July 7, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed
November 9, 2008	WikiProject A-class review	Approved
November 17, 2008	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
May 26, 2009	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
July 17, 2009	Featured topic candidate	Promoted
Current status: Good article

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Change of Intersection Template[edit]

This article was changed to bring its intersection template to the NYint format. No other changes were made. It is important to verify, update and/or correct as necessary.Fwgoebel 02:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:New York State Route 73/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
Way too much unencyclopediac writing, and the overall prose just isn't especially good. Some random examples:

A few bends and turns later, the ski jump built for the 1980 Winter Olympic Games pokes up from the woods. "Pokes" is poor writing.
During the winter months visitors can ride bobsleds (driven by trained professionals) down the runs themselves for a fee; this is the closest many will get to experiencing the real thing. Poorly written, irrelevent to the route, and I doubt that is in the map reference.
A beautiful summer day will always see many cars parked along the road leading up to the trailhead, as this is one of the most popular hikes in the area. Again, unencyclopediac language, and original research.

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Fails. First, that map is not a reliable source, and I can be sure that much of the information in the route description is not backed up by that source.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
The route description goes too far off-topic, listing information about cross-country skiing and such.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
"A beautiful summer day..." is not neutral. There are other examples of this, as well.

I think you're missing something here: it is the "beautiful summer day" that causes the trailhead parking overflow. It's not promotional, pov writing, it's factually accurate: on a rainy day, the trailhead parking is empty. Might or might not be OR, but it shouldn't be hard to find a source-- the ADK High Peaks guide comes to mind. -- Mwanner | Talk 16:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But even if you do find a source, it is still irrelevent to the route and is still unencyclopediac tone. Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 16:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The tone wouldn't be hard to fix ("in fine weather...") and I have trouble finding any situation that frequently causes the shoulders of a road to become lined with cars to be irrelevant to an article about that road, but let it pass. As for the ref., see Goodwin, Tony, ed., Adirondack Trails, High Peaks Region, Lake George, New York: Adirondack Mountain Club, 2004. ISBN 1-931951-05-5, p. 163. -- Mwanner | Talk 21:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Sorry, but this is nowhere near being considered "good". The route description especially is full of original research, unencyclopediac tone, and information not in the source. Also, the lead needs to be reworked, as currently it consists of a bunch of general and uninformative statements. Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 16:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:New York State Route 73/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
Route 73 is misspelled in the intro. "a mile" should include the conversion (0.6 km). Actually, "In the 1950s, Roue 73 was extended over 86A, and was extended over Route 9 to what is now New York State Route 74 all the way to the Vermont border." - doesn't make any sense. Wikify Ausable River? Also Olympic Jumping Complex? Is that complex on the map, or do I just have to assume that the complex is on the road?
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
See Olympic Complex concern above
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
Closer... some minor issues, but they should be resolvable. —Rob (talk) 03:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Man you're on a roll. Everything is done however, thanks.Mitch32^(UP) 10:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still confused... NY 86 went from NY 28N to NY 22. Then it replaced 86A. Then it was extended further north over US 9 to what is now NY 74. What does the Vermont border have to do with the route? Did NY 73 leave US 9 and continue onwards to the Vermont border? —Rob (talk) 03:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clarified in article: 73 went over what is now 74 all the way through Ticonderoga and terminating at the ferry line.Mitch32^(UP) 09:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I changed it again... if the latest edit matches what actually happened, let me know. (Things like this, by the way, are why I support route history maps. :-D) —Rob (talk) 20:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay - but there was an error in your change that I have fixed.Mitch32^(UP) 18:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(reset) Okay... as long as it's right. Still... consider the historical map; that's oddly confusing, I still think. —Rob (talk) 21:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]