Talk:Northwich Victoria F.C.

Release from protection

Within an hour of this page being loosened from fully-protected, our friendly local vandal is back, changing Jon McCarthy's nationality. Same method of operation as before, brand new account, two words, no other meaningful contributions. Time obviously hasn't healed his/her gripe. - fchd 21:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

They are more than welcome to discuss their changes here.. I won't block them if they try that. I have no interest in football or soccer, whatever you would like to call it, and I am merely blocking them as they are disrupting the page without even bothering to realize that their claim is controversial. Please put requested changes here. Cowman109^Talk 23:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

If someone would like to make a more complicated change to the article that can't be solved with a simple request, you could also create a subpage in your userspace copying the article, and I can history merge the changes here without much hassle. Thanks. Cowman109^Talk 23:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Nice try at protecting only the squad details, MZMcBride. You'll have to try something else though, because I can just remove the code for the template and reinstate the squad list from an earlier version, with Jon McCarty's nationality changed to English.Mane mane 21:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

And every time you create another sock account to change it, someone will correct it. You're wasting yours and everyone else's time. For footballing purposes, once he represented N Ireland, he is treated as N Irish. Live with it. - fchd 21:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

No I won't live with it. He only played for Northern Ireland because he wasn't good enough to play for England. That doesn't make him Northern Irish. It just means he wanted to play international football for whoever could and would accept him. By the way, I've saved the details of the squad list in case MZMcBride (or any other administrator) decides to delete the history of the NVFC article to stop me copying-and-pasting the squad list from old versions of the page.Mane mane 21:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Your argument could be a lot more convincing if you'd stop blatantly breaking Wikipedia policy with your sockpuppet army and just stayed with one account and stopped to explain further instead of just using socks to get what you'd like. If you stop disrupting the page and instead talk here, I won't block you. You may very well have a valid argument, but you're not helping yourself this way. Cowman109^Talk 00:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Dream on.Deer hay 17:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

MZMcBride: Your warning "Attention: Removal of this template will result in immediate blocking." isn't going to work. My sock-puppets are blocked on sight anyway for being abusive socks. If you put in an automated revert of removal of that template and automated block of any account that removed it that would work. But is that technically possible? Ha ha ha ha ha.Plain Zed 21:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The vandal is arguing that English should he his nationality because of where the player was born, but there is no such thing as English or Northern Irish nationality only British. So by his argument the flag should be a Union Flag, not a St. George's cross. Therefore the only thing that could be used is the national team he played for, if the flag is anything to do with sport.86.142.103.241 05:35, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. The only thing that makes this person notable is football, therefore it is his "football nationality" that is relevant - therefore Northern Ireland. It's just a shame that it's taking the time of several of us to counter the actions of a single misguided vandal. He/she knows it's going to be reverted every time, yet still changes it at the first opportunity. - fchd 06:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Doh. I really shouldn't have said "If you put in an automated revert of removal of that template" should I? I've been beaten by my own idea. I'll knock it on the head now.86.143.9.61 20:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection

Semi-protection is pointless,the vandal will continue his behavior as he has obviously saved up accounts. S-P just means that anons can't revert and I for one am not prepared to have my home page attacked like others have been. J McC will be leaving soon anyway. 86.144.21.53 18:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hopefully this bot will settle the issue now. Cowman109^Talk 20:06, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Please add hyperlink to page:

• The Four Nations Tournament 2008 - news & information site

Links to news site about tournament played by football players from this club's domestic league division —Preceding unsigned comment added by Foo-med (talk • contribs) 08:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

No, please don't - this is linkspam. The link to the 4nations may be a legitimate link from the page about the England C team, but it is completely irrelevant to the individual clubs. - fchd (talk) 08:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

And it starts again...

This time using IPs rather than sock accounts. I've made three reverts so I can't do any more until tomorrow. - fchd 21:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The three revert rule doesn't apply in this case as we are dealing with a banned user disrupting the page, but nonetheless I'm poking the bot operator again. Cowman109^Talk 01:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Changes to squad

Stuart Elliot and Paul Brayson need to be removed as they have left. Mattythewhite 21:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed. Cowman109^Talk 00:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Danny Mayman has returned to Hucknall Town so needs moving. Ram4eva 06:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. Cowman109^Talk 14:29, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Simon Rusk has joined from Boston United. sepmix 16.23, 2nd July 2007 (GMT)

Please note Rusk is Scottish and not English the entry should look like this: Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
––	MF	SCO	Simon Rusk

Kingjamie 16:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Mark Roberts has moved to Accrington Stanley Ram4eva 11:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Mark Roberts removed and Simon Rusk added [1]. Cowman109^Talk 22:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Ben Connett is mentioned twice in the squad list.86.140.88.114 22:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, what is his correct number, then? Cowman109^Talk 05:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

It appears to be 20, unless it has been changed in the close season. [2] It looks like the squad has changed quite a bit last season, but for an obvious reason casual users can't update. Ram4eva 06:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I have updated the squad template, I'd appreciate it if somebody could update the main page with the players' names. Good news is that Jon McCarthy is no longer on he list, but Simon Rusk is now added. NVFC 17:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

{{Editprotected}}

Yeah, could the squad list be replaced with:

Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
1	GK	ENG	Ben Connett
2	MF	SCO	Simon Rusk
3	DF	CAN	Kevin Sharp
4	DF	ENG	Michael Welch
5	DF	ENG	Greg Strong
7	MF	ENG	Michael Byrne
8	MF	ENG	Michael Carr
9	FW	ENG	Jake Speight
10	FW	ENG	Jonny Allan

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
11	MF	ENG	Chris Williams
14	DF	ENG	Ryan Brown
15	DF	ENG	Richard Battersby
16	FW	ENG	Kevin Townson
17	MF	ENG	Brad Maylett
18	MF	ENG	Carlos Roca
19	FW	ENG	Paul Tait
20	MF	ENG	Neil Redfearn (Player/Manager)

Thanks. ArtVandelay13 12:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Where are players 12 and 13? Are they supposed to be absent? --MZMcBride 16:00, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

There is no 12 or 13 listed here [3] Is it possible if wanted for Simon Rusk to be both English and Scottish? NVFC 17:08, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

No, the template only accomodates one flag, the player's primary nationality. ArtVandelay13 17:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Just wondered as the vandal has left the Rusk page alone since a fudge was reached on his nationalityNVFC 18:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. As I recall, this vandal was obsessed with Jon McCarthy, who no longer plays for Northwich Victoria; as such, I've reduced protection to semi-. Cheers. --MZMcBride 19:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the article can be unprotected now - Jon McCarthy, the player whose nationality was persistently changed, has now left the club. Mattythewhite 13:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Neil Redfearn is no longer Manager (or player) --Q2thaZ 14:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC) Simon Rusk is transfer listed and out on loan, Carlos Roca has left from the list above. Other changes on squad template. NVFC 14:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Is that good? Cowman109^Talk 21:43, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

1976-77

The season 1976-77 should warrant a special mention in the history of Vics being best FA Cup run in modern times. In November 1976 Vics beat Rochdale 2-1 in an FA Cup first round 2nd replay at Maine Rd after drawing 1-1 at Spotland and 0-0 at home, put Peterborough to the sword 4-0 in the 2nd round and beat Elton John's Watford 3-2 in a pulsating cup tie at the Drill Field in the third round with Frank Corrigan securing an interview on Match of The Day for scoring the winner. All hopes of a dream draw in the 4th round were foundered when Oldham Athletic at home came out of the hat. The match was moved to Maine road to get more fans in and 29,000 witnessed a brave battle from the Vics going down 3-1.

During the same season Northwich and Boston United were fighting it out for the Northern Premier League and Vics went to Scarborough on the last day of the season knowing a win won bring them the title. They drew 1-1 effectively handing the Lincolnshire side the title. A memorable season.

Squad changes

I've unprotected Template:Northwich Victoria Football Club squad for a bit so squad changes can be made more easily. Cowman109^Talk 21:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I suggest that the template is now deleted and the details put back into the page itself. I believe it serves no purpose now because a) Simon Rusk and Jon McCarthy don't play for Northwich anymore and b) the bot didn't work properly anyway. I'm willing to make the edit to the page but want to check whether it should be done by an administrator (obviously I can't delete the template anyway, only blank it). 81.153.14.100 16:46, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I've subst'ed the template onto the page now. If the admins have a problem with this, I guess my changes will just be reverted. Let's see how it goes... --Kurt Shaped Box 16:54, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem here :). Cowman109^Talk 17:04, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem here, but I bet the vandal will be back within 24 hours. Hope I'm wrong though. - fchd 17:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I've had a go at updating the squad, there are three players I am struggling to find more details for.

Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
1	GK	ENG	Ben Connett
3	DF	CAN	Kevin Sharp
4	DF	ENG	Michael Welch
5	DF	ENG	Greg Strong
7	MF	ENG	Michael Byrne
8	MF	ENG	Michael Carr
9	FW	ENG	Jake Speight
10	FW	ENG	Jonny Allan
11	MF	ENG	Chris Williams
14	DF	ENG	Ryan Brown
15	DF	ENG	Richard Battersby

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
16	FW	ENG	Kevin Townson
17	MF	ENG	Brad Maylett
19	FW	ENG	Paul Tait
21	__	ENG	Johnson
22	__	ENG	Josh Wilson
23	FW	ENG	Kevin Townson
23	FW	ENG	Lee Steele
25	FW	ENG	Michael Coulson
28	MF	ENG	Simon Heslop
29	DF	WAL	Gareth Evans
TBA	{{{pos}}}	ENG	Mat Bailey

If the pages isn't vandalised I might edit from my usual account NVFC 18:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Removed a Kevin Townson entry from current squad as it was the same as the version above which shows him as numbers 16 & 23 --Q2thaZ 22:07, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

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Dino Maamria needs a link added, in both the squad and as manager. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. Cowman109^Talk 01:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Interlanguage

Please add an interlanguage link ja:ノースウィッチ・ヴィクトリアFC to Japanese Wikipedia. Thank you. --Kurihaya (talk) 11:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. :) --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 11:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt action. How qucik. --Kurihaya (talk) 11:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

No worries. Glad to help. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 11:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Home strip change

The new home shirt has a solid green body and white sleeves. The shorts and socks remain white. Please see following link showing photo from today's game against Altrincham; scroll down the match report page. I don't know whether the away strip has changed.

http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/080101na.htm

Oorpt (talk) 23:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Simon Rusk has left

Simon Rusk has now left Northwich Victoria. Please can Simon Rusk be removed from the page / the page be unprotected as Jon McCarthy and Simon Rusk no longer play for Northwich? Also can someone please advise as to how the strip colour is edited or provide a link within Wikipedia so I can provide the correct details / change it myself if the page is unprotected?

http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/sport/cheshiresport/display.var.1945266.0.rusk_heads_for_vics_exit.php

Thanks. Oorpt (talk) 19:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, mate - I didn't see your previous edit request, nor the message on my talk page WRT the strip colours (I only noticed it last night). I'm not honestly sure how to change that. I have removed Simon Rusk from the squad section, however. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, scratch that - I *think* I've managed to change the colours correctly now... :) --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 19:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. That looks good. Are you prepared to unprotect the page now that there are no players at the club whose nationality could feasibly be disputed?

Oorpt (talk) 19:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Aye, why not? There are enough people keeping an eye on the article and it can just be re-protected if the sockpuppet vandalism starts up again... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 19:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Oorpt (talk) 19:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank goodness there's no disputed nationalities left... Hopefully the article can be edited in peace for a while now :D. Cowman109^Talk 23:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Spoke too soon. Reprotected the article.. if there anyone would like to make changes to the article please find an administrator or use {{editprotected}}. Cowman109^Talk 21:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Billy Meredith

Please will an admin change the "Famous former player" section to "Famous former players" and include Billy Meredith. I suggest the following:

Famous former players

Bruce Grobbelaar, goalkeeper for Liverpool Football Club during the 1980s and former national goalkeeper for Zimbabwe, made 1 appearance for Northwich Victoria during the late 1990s. Billy Meredith played for the club in the early 1890s.

Thanks.Oorpt (talk) 00:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Done and done. :) --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 01:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It still needs pluralising "Famous former players".Oorpt (talk) 20:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorted. Heh. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 23:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.Oorpt (talk) 13:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Victoria Stadium is now Marston's Arena

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The club's official website [4] doesn't work at the moment but please see the Google cache of a relevant page on the club's website [5] and a government link showing the club's address [6]. The stadium has been renamed due to a sponsorship deal with Marston's (brewer and pub operator). Please will you rename the Victoria Stadium page as Marston's Arena and perhaps include the previous name in the article. Thanks. 90.200.149.127 (talk) 00:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

• Please add more links to confirm. feydey (talk) 13:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Our standard practice is not to rename stadia which have sponsored names, but to mention it in the prose. - fchd (talk) 13:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

 Not done Please establish consensus for this change. Happy‑melon 15:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it should still be mentioned, as on the club's website it only says "Marston's Arena" and does not mention "Victoria Stadium". Also the capacity is more than what it says in the article (or on the article about the stadium) however there is a mistake on the club's website as the seated and standing capacities add up to 10 less than the total. There is direct link to the page on the club's website, as it is in Flash not HTML, but it can be accessed by going to http://www.northwichvics.co.uk/ and clicking "fixtures" then "travel" and scrolling down. --Snigbrook ^(talk) 17:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Now that I have seen the relevant discussion, I think "Marston's Arena" should only be referred to as an alternative, sponsored name in the text, and the original name used in the infobox; as media coverage shows both names are used, and the stadium opened before being renamed. This would be consistent with other articles, although the one exception I can find, where the stadium's sponsored name is used despite the stadium having been in use for many years under its previous name, is a Featured Article (York City F.C.) and the article about the stadium (KitKat Crescent) is a Good Article. --Snigbrook ^(talk) 01:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Northwich Victoria Squad

Richard Battersby No Longer Plays For Northwich Vics He Plays For Altrincham —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.166.96 (talk) 21:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

References for that: [7][8], also the on-loan players have returned to their clubs or have been released: Lucas Akins [9], Nathaniel Kerr [10], Lewis Edge [11]. There may be more changes to the squad, I am not sure if a full list of the squad is on the club's website. --Snigbrook ^(talk) 17:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Navbox

{{editprotected}} please add {{Football Clubs in Cheshire}} —Preceding unsigned comment added by ARBAY (talk • contribs) 16:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Done Happy‑melon 14:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Also some updates: Michael Carr now plays for Morecambe[12] and Brad Maylett was released and joined Leigh RMI[13]. Michael Bowler was signed by Kidderminster a few days ago.[14]. These should be removed from the squad; there are probably other changes but I cannot find details of the current squad anywhere (footballsquads.co.uk is not up to date). --Snigbrook ^(talk) 01:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.. Specifically, what to do with the numbering, etc. Happy‑melon 14:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Updated squad

Here's the updated squad.

Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
1	GK	ENG	Scott Tynan
2	DF	ENG	Ritchie Sutton
3	DF	ENG	Ryan Brown
4	DF	EIR	Michael Welch
5	DF	ENG	Mark Roberts
6	DF	WAL	Matt Crowell
7	MF	ENG	Jamie Mullan
8	MF	ENG	Joel Byrom
9	FW	ENG	Lee Steele
10	FW	ENG	Jonny Allan

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
11	MF	ENG	Paul Barrett
12	GK	ENG	Michael Jones
14	MF	ENG	Christopher Flynn
15	FW	ENG	Matt Bailey
16	MF	WAL	Michael Byrne
18	FW	TUN	Dino Maamria
20	FW	ENG	Aaron Burns
23	MF	ENG	Danny Williams
24	FW	ENG	Darryn Stamp
28	MF	ENG	Mike Marsh

The source is [15] - could this be added as a reference? Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 20:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Think protection will need to return...

...guess who's back? Mattythewhite (talk) 12:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

It seems amazing to me that someone has sat there for the last God-knows-how-many months, continually checking this page, just so they can apply their own misunderstanding of sporting nationality to one specific club's article. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 22:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• • It's not just this page. Also Witton Albion F.C., VICS, Evolution and a few more as well attacking user pages of people who fix his mess which is why I have this account. He now also changes and reverts old dormant user pages. I imagine he has a clean account he uses to watch 'his' pages. Take a look at user:Tile join. He was once challenged about other players such as Owen Hargreaves and John Barnes but claimed to only intrested in Northwich Vics! I think he'll keep vandalising this page as long as Northwich have players born in England who have represented other countries at some level. NVFC (talk) 23:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Michael Welch (footballer)

His nationality on this page is being changed between English and Irish. He is a former Ireland youth international according to the Wikipedia article (although the article has category and stub for English footballers; and some sources (e.g. The Guardian) say he is Irish, but according to soccerbase.com he is English. Should both nationalities be mentioned or only one? --Snigbrook ^(talk) 16:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

There's only room for one flag in the infobox. In football terms, a player's primary nationality is the one he's represented at the highest level of intewrnational football. So he's Irish. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 16:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

The article Michael Welch (footballer) has a {{England-footy-defender-1980s-stub}} tag (the England category I referred to is only added as part of the stub). The tag that is closest to that for Irish footballers is {{Ireland-footy-bio-stub}}, which is less specific, and not as accurate (it is about football in Ireland, not about the nationality) but more consistent with the article.

Stub messages:

{{England-footy-defender-1980s-stub}}: This biographical article related to an English football defender born in the 1980s is a stub. You can help by expanding it.

{{Ireland-footy-bio-stub}}: This biographical article related to Republic of Ireland Association football is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.

Is there any suggestion for which of these should be used? --Snigbrook ^(talk) 16:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Current squad - needs updating

{{Editprotected}}Current information from [16] Note: Flags indicate national team as defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality.

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
1	GK	ENG	Scott Tynan
2	DF	ENG	Ritchie Sutton
3	DF	ENG	Ryan Brown
4	DF	EIR	Michael Welch
5	DF	ENG	Mark Roberts
6	DF	WAL	Matt Crowell
7	MF	ENG	Jamie Mullan
8	MF	ENG	Joel Byrom
9	FW	ENG	Lee Steele
10	FW	ENG	Jonny Allan
11	MF	ENG	Paul Barrett
12	GK	ENG	Michael Jones

No.	Pos.	Nation	Player
14	MF	ENG	Christopher Flynn
15	FW	ENG	Mat Bailey
16	FW	ENG	Michael Byrne
17	DF	ENG	Mike Aspin
18	FW	TUN	Dino Maamria
19	MF	ENG	Michael Carr
20	FW	ENG	Aaron Burns
21	FW	ENG	Phil Marsh
22	FW	POR	Martins Almeida
23	MF	ENG	Danny Williams
24	FW	ENG	Darryn Stamp
25	MF	ENG	Mike Marsh

 Done. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 09:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Needs updating again. Trevor Benjamin is now in. Protection for this page is absurb anyway. 218.215.184.130 (talk) 00:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately the protection is needed due to persistent, long-term vandalism. Just review the article history every time the protection is turned off. - fchd (talk) 11:50, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you update the squad or not? 218.215.184.130 (talk) 02:08, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

TREVOR BENJAMIN has joined. See above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.163.26 (talk) 04:42, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Current logo picture used - not up to date

The current logo picture is an old one. Northwich is now using a new one. Please replace it. It looks old and is on low resolution. Please visit the club official website www.northwichvics.co.uk/ to have a look at Northwich new logo. Please just delete it, or please change it with a new one. Please don't humiliate and insult the club by using this old logo. Thanks.

Players on Loan from Charlton

As this page has been protected could somebody please make these updates.

• Rashid Yussuf now has his own Wikipedia page.
• Scott Wagstaff is no longer a Northwich Victoria player and has returned to Charlton Athletic after his loan expired.

Thank you. Dirk Valentine (talk) 12:55, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Squad update

{{editprotected}} The "Current players" and "Famous former players" need updating. I have combined these, adding an "on loan" section which is now needed, to create a "players" section at User:Snigbrook/Sandbox with the updated information. I have used FootballSquads.co.uk as a reference, combined with recent news.

There is one thing I'm not sure about: FootballSquads.co.uk has been updated recently (November 2008 or later), but still includes Mark King in the squad, and according to the reference he left in September 2008. —Snigbrook 17:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

• I've updated the content in User:Snigbrook/Sandbox with the changes mentioned by User:Hkymre in the "Squad and owner updates" section below. —Snigbrook 21:15, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Squad and owner updates

{{editprotected}} The chairman and owner of the club is now Jim Rushe.

Squad changes from http://footballsquads.co.uk/eng/2008-2009/confprem/northwich.htm

No.5 Mark Roberts has joined Stevenage Borough

No.5 is now Steve Robinson (English) (DF)

No.18 is Owen Price (English) (MF)

No.22 is now Dean Lodge (ENG) (MF)

no.35 Ryan Clarke (ENG) (GK)

No.19 Peter Winn has returned to Scunthorpe

No.33 & 34 Yuffuf and Wagstaff have returned to Charlton

Edge (talk) 01:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

• I've made the changes to my sandbox page mentioned in the "squad update", references are cited in the page. A reference to verify Jim Rushe as owner/chairman of the club (it needs the <ref> and </ref> tags adding):
  • Simpson, Andrew (2009-01-02). "Rushe receives ground offer". Knutsford Guardian. Newsquest Media Group. Retrieved 2009-01-14.
• I am inclined to unprotect the page. Have dropped Kurt Shaped Box a line. Stifle (talk) 14:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm really sorry about that guys, I completely missed these edit requests. I'd have done them myself if I'd been aware of them. Anyhow, the protection level has been reduced to semi. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 15:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Home strip change

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Northwich's home strip has changed. Please see their official website and look at recent match reports. Their website won't give a link.

It now has horizontal green and white stripes and predominantly green sleeves (with a white strip and black chevrons).

Please will someone change it. Thanks. 217.43.185.95 (talk) 18:04, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome and thanks for wnting to improve this article. The {{editsemiprotected}} template requires a 'Please change X to Y' level of detail. I looked and couldn't find an obvious place for this description. Also, a factual change like this should have a reference to a verifiable reliable source. In books we include page number; in a web site cite we need the path to the actual web page to allow one to verify the fact without too much effort. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 13:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The website doesn't have different URLs for each page as it uses Flash, not separate HTML pages (maybe the title of the page could be provided instead). I looked and couldn't find anything useful; everything was either too small and unclear, or didn't show it completely. snigbrook (talk) 13:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Request for page unprotection

The players who were born in England but played for another country have now left the club; the page can probably be unprotected now.

Tab Bart (talk) 20:34, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Request for additional citations template to be removed

I've added citations and references to most of the information on the page, can the notice at the top of the page now be removed?

United88 (talk) 17:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

1874 Northwich FC

A short section about the breakaway club, 1874 Northwich FC, has been added back to this article, based on the wording (and news sources) in the 1874 Northwich FC article. The article was raised at Articles for Deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1874 Northwich FC and the decision was to merge to Northwich Victoria F.C.

I was unsure where to add the addition. There was previously a mention in the 'History' section but, because the new club is not part of Northwich Victoria (though related via the supporters club) I've merged it further down the article, nearer to 'Rivalries'. Hope that makes sense to some people! Sionk (talk) 00:22, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Over-detailed

Can I make the heretical suggestion that this article contains immense and probably not-notable detail for a club which had only two Football League seasons, over 100 years ago? Yes it is one of the oldest football clubs still in existence, but that is (justifiably) stated early on. There are more notable English clubs with much scantier details, which might better repay some improvement work. Or is there just a large contingent of NVFC fans on Wikipedia? Chrismorey (talk) 22:31, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

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The issue has already been discussed in the edit summaries. You have protected the wrong version. 149.254.51.139 (talk) 22:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Again, we resolve disputes by discussing them on article talk pages, not by edit warring and including insults in edit summaries. Administrators do not decide what the "wrong" version of pages are (see WP:PREFER, m:The Wrong Version). Hut 8.5 23:12, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

The only insults in the edit summaries are from Only1nvfc and you've protected his/her version of the page.149.254.51.139 (talk) 23:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

The edit summaries tell me there's a clear lack of consensus; that's why the issue needs to be discussed here.

Personally, I think the best path is some sort of compromise. We don't need the full volume of text, since the breakaway club has its own page. However, it is relevant to provide context about the financial issues that led to the split as well as the vote by the supporters to split. —C.Fred (talk) 00:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

As the IP editor I accept that the section was a bit long for the article about NVFC given that 1874 Northwich has its own article. I suggest the following as per C.Fred's suggestion. I do not believe that Only1nvfc will leave this in the article however.

1874 Northwich Football Club

A breakaway club, 1874 Northwich F.C., now play in the North West Counties League First Division. They were founded by the Northwich Victoria Supporters Trust following a vote by its membership on 15 November 2012 to break away from the club they supported and form a new community owned team in their town. It emerged, on the day of the vote, that the owner of Northwich Victoria had been declared bankrupt and therefore failed the FA Fit and Proper Persons test. Supporters chose the name 1874 Northwich for the club; in order to avoid legal issues over the new club's name none of the proposed options presented to fans included the words Vics or Victoria.

149.254.186.3 (talk) 22:40, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to be a separate section; I think it should just be a paragraph at the end of the current section on the 2010s. I'd also focus on the break, something like this (I'm omitting the refs now for the sake of focusing on the prose):

On 15 November 2012, the owner of Northwich Victoria had been declared bankrupt and therefore failed the FA Fit and Proper Persons test. That same day, members of the Northwich Victoria Supporters Trust voted to break away from the club and form a new community-owned team. The new club, 1874 Northwich F.C., intentionally chose a name that omitted the words Vics or Victoria to avoid legal issues with the old club.

It provides a link to the new club's page, so readers wanting information on that club know where to go to find it. It also focuses on the split and how it relates to NVFC: the owner's bankruptcy, the breakaway vote, and the choice of name to avoid potential lawsuits for confusion with the old club. —C.Fred (talk) 00:52, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

There's no consensus here; it's 1:1. It's not a splinter club; it's taken well over half of the fans with it. 149.254.183.90 (talk) 22:43, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

When I say splinter club, I mean the club that broke away from the parent/prior club. The club has its own article, so all that should be covered here is the split as it's relevant to NVFC—unless you propose merging the 1874 NFC article back into this one, which I don't think you do.

Finally, bear in mind that historically, consensus at this article has been to not mention 1874 at all. If you disagree with my addition, we may need to remove it until we can get agreement on what/how to include 1874. —C.Fred (talk) 00:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't submit to stupid threats. 149.254.183.208 (talk) 13:29, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Do any other editors want to chime in here, or should I elevate this to the third opinion noticeboard?

@Hut 8.5: As the last admin to take action on this article, do you want to opine again before I refer this up? —C.Fred (talk) 14:00, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Go ahead. It doesn't look like this is going to be resolved without some more input from someone else. Hut 8.5 18:14, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

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