Talk:Obras Son Amores

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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
March 10, 2019	Good article nominee	Not listed
August 6, 2020	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 18, 2017.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Spanish singer-songwriter Antonio Carmona invited Juanes and Alejandro Sanz and several other performers he admired to record Obras Son Amores since he wanted to "create true reciprocal acts of love"?

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Obras Son Amores/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Tbhotch (talk · contribs) 16:56, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality (prose is clear and concise, without exceeding quotations, or spelling and grammar errors):

B. MoS compliance (included, but not limited to: lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists):
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources (it also includes an appropriate reference section):

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary (including direct quotations):

C. No original research:

D. No copyright violations:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
edit wars, multiple edits not related to the GAN process, etc. (this excludes blatant vandalism):
Does it contain images (or other media) to illustrate (or support) the topic?
A. Images (and other media) are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images (and other media) are provided where possible and are relevant, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

Image

It needs a link for the source section
"Not replaceable with free media because... n.a." is not a valid rationale
"Respect for commercial opportunities [because] n.a." is not a valid rationale
Non-free album cover is missing |image has rationale=yes

Infobox

Latin-pop is mentioned but never cited

Lead

"The album debuted at number three in the Top 100 Albums chart in Spain and at the 18th Annual Latin Grammy Awards, it was nominated for Album of the Year." -> The album debuted at number three in the Top 100 Albums chart in Spain, and, at the 18th Annual Latin Grammy Awards, it was nominated for Album of the Year.

Background

Background -> Background and recording
"... buenas razones". (Works are..." -> The period after the quote is incorrect here
(Works are loves and not good reasons) -> Not in the citation given
Daniel García Diego and recorded in Madrid, Cádiz and Miami. -> Daniel García Diego, and recorded in Madrid and Cádiz, in Spain, and Miami, in the United States.

Repertoire

"Carmona's late father" -> "Carmona's father"
"with a choirs at the end" -> concordance
"and the caribbean" -> typo

Commercial reception

"debuted at number three in the Top 100 Albums chart by the Productores de Música de España" -> reword it

Singles

Juan Carmona, Jr -> MOS:JR
"The track peaked at number 26 in the Top 50 Singles chart in Spain.[10]" -> Not in the source (not even here)
The same for Dale Luz

References

6: Link Billboard
7: Unlink Billboard
8: 1accessdate= is missing
10: 1accessdate= is missing
11: 1accessdate= is missing
12: Allmusic does not go in italics

Credits and personnel

It is missing

Article on hold. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 16:19, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Jaespinoza: do you need extra time to complete the remaining changes? © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 00:03, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Tbhotch: Yes, maybe one day or two, I am searching for new references. Thank you. Javier Espinoza (talk) 22:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As no further work has been done, despite the nominator asked a couple days for it, I have to fail the nomination. You can request a Good article reassessment or re-nominate it if required. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 20:16, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Obras Son Amores/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 11:29, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Reviewing an older one since this has been in the queue for over two months --K. Peake 11:29, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead[edit]

Cover art needs alt text

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 20:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the venue parameter from the infobox as that is for live recordings

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure there isn't any sourced recording date(s) since the body does mention about collaborations for five years?

Did not find any. Javier Espinoza (talk) 20:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pop rock is not properly sourced as a genre since the AllMusic sidebar is not reliable; source a genre in the body and then add it to here

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 20:27, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Replace hlists with bullet points

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 20:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Target Spanish to Spanish Language

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Add the singles in here

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 20:18, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"is a studio album" → "is the third studio album"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Antonio Carmona, released on March 31, 2017 by" → "Antonio Carmona. It was released on March 31, 2017, through"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"on songs to be included on the album." → "on songs for the album."

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe name less artists since that reads like a supermarket list?

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"the featured artists on the record." → "the artists he collaborated with."

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Upon its release, Obras Son Amores received favorable" → "Obras Son Amores received favorable"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"with a critic praising Carmona for" → "one of whom praised Carmona over"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"and another naming" → "while another named"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"The album debuted at number three in" → "It debuted at number three on"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Grammy mention since that is only the Latin show

That is the main reason for writing this article, his Album of the Year nomination, I think it is important. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are right actually, pardon my mistake; I have done some copy editing of this statement though. --K. Peake 17:02, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"To promote the album, three singles were released, "Mencanta", "Dale Luz" and "Camamasi"." → "For promotion, the singles "Mencanta", "Dale Luz" and "Camamasi" were released in 2017."

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:24, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Background and recording[edit]

"singer-songwriter Antonio Carmona released two studio albums," → "Carmona released his first two studio albums,"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Carmona spent five years" → "Carmona spent five years up to 2017"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"on the songs to be included" → "for the songs to be included"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe translate isn't working for me, but that quote doesn't appear in English on Google Chrome?

I do not understand this one. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The translate feature of Chrome popped up for that website, though did not display the quote in the same English as is written in this article; is this my translator's fault? --K. Peake 17:02, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, must be your translator. Javier Espinoza (talk) 20:19, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"The album received the title Obras Son Amores, inspired" → "He decided to title the album Obras Son Amores, being inspired"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikilink refrain to itself

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"The album is produced by Carmona and" → "The album was produced by Carmona alongside"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"and Cádiz, in Spain," → "and Cádiz, both of Spain,"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Miami, in the United States." → "Miami, of the United States."

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Repertoire[edit]

Retitle to Music and lyrics

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Carmona co-wrote all the songs, with..." this sentence belongs at the end of the previous section instead

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"written by himself." → "written solely by him."

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

""Dale Luz", features singer-songwriter" → ""Dale Luz" features singer-songwriter"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Carmona calls "a magician", saying" → "Carmona called "a magician", saying,"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"is an alchemist sorcerer"." → "is an alchemist sorcerer."" per MOS:QWQ on full sentences, but some of the translations seem to be coming through slightly reworded for me; it says "is an alchemist warlock" on my version of the page, I don't know what is going on but I will assume WP:GOODFAITH though could you comment please to clarify?

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"and co-written by" → "which was co-written by"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"as he recalls:" → "as Antonio Carmona recalled:"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Target ballad to Sentimental ballad

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"written with Venezuelan artist" → "that was written with Venezuelan singer-songwriter"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[3] should solely be evoked at the end of the first paragraph since it is the sole ref for that para

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"and Claudia Brant with whom the singer worked" → "and Claudia Brant, whom the singer worked with"*"composed with Colombian singer Juanes the track "La Razón de Mi Existir"." → "composed "La Razón de Mi Existir" with Colombian singer Juanes."

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

""He [Juanes] sent" → "Of the collaboration, Carmona stated: "He [Juanes] sent"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remove wikilink on choir as it is too obvious a term

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"more with me," Carmona stated." → "more with me."" in the new order

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"features Alex Cuba writing and playing guitar." → "features writing and guitar from singer-songwriter Alex Cuba."

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"from Carmona's parents relationship" → "from Carmona's parents' relationship"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"is written with Nicaraguan performer" → "was written by him with Nicaraguan performer"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remove wikilink on Caribbean

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"The lyrics for the last track," → "The lyrics of the closing track,"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"allude to ill people, living" → "allude to ill people living"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[3] should solely be evoked at the end of the second para since it is the sole ref of it

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reception[edit]

Critical reception[edit]

"Upon its release, Obras Son Amores received favorable" → "Obras Son Amores was met with positive"

Fixed.Javier Espinoza (talk) 01:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Target music critics to Music journalism

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vavel should not be italicised

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Juan Habichuela on the album," → "Habichuela on the album"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure you can't add more comments from the review?

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"stated that this was" → "stated that it was"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"that Antonio [Carmona] has" → "that Antonio has" since he is the only Antonio mentioned in the article so it is obviously a quote about him

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

El Corte Inglés should not be italicised

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"named the album "a gift" → "named the album a "gift"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"A prolonged silence marked by his father's illness." is mentioned before this in the actual review; incorporate something relevant to this in the section
"the 18th Annual Latin Grammy Awards which it lost" → "the 18th Annual Latin Grammy Awards, ultimately losing to"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Add release year of the album in brackets

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"artists Rubén Blades with" → "artists Rubén Blades and"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial reception[edit]

Retitle to Commercial performance

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"At the week of Abril 21, 2017, the album" → "For the week of Abril 21, 2017, Obras Son Amores"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"at number three in the" → "at number three on the"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"chart in" → "chart for"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Add release years of the albums in brackets

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"by English performer Ed Sheeran," → "by English performer Ed Sheeran at number two and one, respectively."

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"and was the highest debut of the week" → "However, it was the highest debut of the week." with the rest of the sentence removed as that is highly off topic

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe move the refs about; only if needed

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"The track "Mencanta", which features" → ""Mencanta", which features"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikilink lead single to itself

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"as the second and third singles," → "as the second and third singles from Obras Son Amores,"

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mention the release dates for the second and third singles

I do not have the exact dates. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did they chart? If so, add in the positions here and if not, it seems confusing with the singles in Commercial performance; we will have further discussion for what to do if I discover via you that they did not chart.

An early draft of this article included chart positions for the singles but the source was not reliable. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The section titled Reception should be changed to Release and reception; I have done some copy editing to start this for you but it now needs the release date to be added by you as the first sentence with a reliable source. --K. Peake 20:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The only reference I found is the one in the first sentence. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Track listing[edit]

Are you sure "Credits adapted from..." shouldn't be at the top instead?

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See MOS:TABLECAPTION
A. Carmona → Carmona on tracks 6 onwards

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why are no producers mentioned here?

Daniel Garcia Diego and Carmona produced the whole album, it would be repetitive, or if you want to me add it, I will. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can't you write at the top something like "All tracks produced by..."? --K. Peake 20:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Charts[edit]

Add this section even if the table is only citing the Spain position

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Copyvio score looks smooth at 3.8%!
Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool

I do not know how to use the tool. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Click on revision history, then select the fix dead links option. --K. Peake 20:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, the search resulted in 0 dead links. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jaespinoza No, you are supposed to tick the box for archiving all non-dead references. --K. Peake 05:18, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Peake Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 22:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remove All Media Network from ref 1 and cite AllMusic as publisher instead

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cite EFE as publisher instead for ref 2

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto for Vavel on ref 5

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikilink El Corte Inglés on ref 6 and cite as publisher instead

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the publisher from ref 7

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remove target on Billboard for ref 8 and remove the publisher

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fix MOS:CAPS issues with ref 9 and cite Productores de Música de España as the publisher instead, plus see the recently-passed GA "What About Us" to cite the PDF better

Fixed. Javier Espinoza (talk) 19:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments and verdict[edit]

On hold but I feel happy for having reviewed this for you after it was pending in the nominations for so long! --K. Peake 16:58, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Javier Espinoza Thanks for replying but I have a couple of statements for you. --K. Peake 17:02, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Peake Thank you for your review, please let me know what else I need to fix. Javier Espinoza (talk) 20:29, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jaespinoza Much thanks, I suggest that you write out the genres in prose in the Music and lyrics section, no longer keeping the ref in the infobox and have made more suggestions above. --K. Peake 20:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Peake Fixed. Keep me posted. Javier Espinoza (talk) 21:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jaespinoza ✓ Pass time has come for this article after some copy editing from me once I gave it a read through, props for bringing such a short article to GA status! --K. Peake 05:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Peake Thank you so much. Javier Espinoza (talk) 18:15, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jaespinoza It is my pleasure, must feel great for you since it is the second nomination! --K. Peake 20:07, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]