Talk:Oli cabinet, 2021

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Deletion and merger[edit]

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Reject merging of article(s) as per No Consensus. There is no over whelming desire to change the status quo of these two articles. To an outsider, these appear to be two different entities (legal or not) and, as such, should be handled separately for now. (The ten-year rule may prove this right or wrong, as more sources for referencing become available); so, for now, the articles should remain separate. No merge. (NOTE: Decision made with input from second discussion at target talk page as well.) Proposer 43.245.86.16, however, may consider taking the subject article to AFD. GenQuest "scribble" 13:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC) Non-Administrative closure[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Third Oli cabinet never existed officially. Same ministers and PM are listed in both second Oli cabinet and third Oli cabinet as listed in article Second Oli cabinet. So, they should be merged.

  • Strong Oppose: Second oli cabinet and Third oli cabinet are different and come under second premiership and third premiership respectively. The cabinet arrangements from 15 February 2018 to 13 May 2021 are to be included in second oli cabinet and the cabinet arrangements from 13 May 2021 to 13 July 2021 are to be included in Third oli cabinet. ~ Yeti Dai (talk) 09:44, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and Delete: Second oli cabinet and Third oli cabinet are not different and the only difference is they come under second premiership and third premiership respectively as mentioned above. So a section for third premiership in same article, Second Oli cabinet can address both. Even the national medias term this as cabinet reshuffle. Can you deny this? It can be termed as second term of same cabinet as all the ministers remained same and same ministers took oath. Even their article suggest no Third Oli cabinet! Can you deny this? Fifth Deuba Cabinet, 2021 mentions it's preceded by Second Oli cabinet. Second Oli cabinet says it's succeeded by Fifth Deuba Cabinet, 2021. Isn't it? Only you have made edits to include Third Oli cabinet in between. This has been removed by various editors at different points of time? Haven't they? Please don't make changes now to prove yourself! I am seeing your biased edits. Please remin within WP policies! Note, this is my request not warning. Except this article, you may not find this awkward topic, Third Oli canet any where. For your clarification:-
What is a cabinet?
Answer:the committee of senior ministers responsible for controlling government policy.(as found in dictionary)
If group of ministers is same in both Second and Third term of Oli, how can they be represented by different articles?[1] Did any different minister came to cabinet on 13 may? Wasn't the minister's list same? Can anyone bring a reference suggesting Third Oli cabinet? Ceratinly not! Then how is Third Oli cabinet notable? And why are arrangements of Third premiership included in Second Oli cabinet? Do you have a answer before so called strongly opposing? Make clear else don't hinder the merger.
Yes, no concensus can be formed here leaving these two as Third Oli cabinet is not identified by many so is unnotable. It would be better merging as soon as possible. Previously, I had a merger reqest on Wikiproject Nepal but none was interested to duscyss on this topic. This proves how much unnotable this topic is. Check it and then speak!103.10.31.5 (talk) 04:51, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The ministers in the final arrangement of the Second Oli cabinet were re-appointed in the Third Oli cabinet.[2] That can not be termed as continuation of the cabinet as the ministers need to take the oath of office again. If that was only cabinet reshuffle as you are claiming, the existing member in the cabinet need to take oath of office again.Also the supreme court removed seven ministers from Third Oli cabinet because they were not member of parliament and they were appointed as minister already in Second Oli cabinet.[3] According to constitution of Nepal, any person who is not member of parliament can be appointed as minister only for a time. If that was same cabinet or continuation of cabinet , the supreme court would not have removed them. ~ Yeti Dai (talk) 05:50, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The ministers in the Third Oli cabinet were not same as in the final arrangement of Second Oli cabinet throughout the ' Third premiership ' of Oli as you claim. On 4 June 2021,there was a cabinet reshuffle and ministers were appointed from People's Socialist Party, Nepal as well. ~ Yeti Dai (talk) 05:59, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why are all the arrangements you listed included in Second Oli cabinet.Please add a reference if you are sure of Third Oli cabinet to exist. Yes, the ministers were removed because they can't remain minister if they can't be MP for more than 6 month as per Constitution of Nepal. See this reference to be clear. Removal of ministers has no relation to Third Oli cabinet or Second Oli cabinet.[4]110.44.124.164 (talk) 06:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)#[reply]
Why are all the arrangements I listed included in Second Oli cabinet  ??? This is what the ongoing discussion is for . The cabinet arrangements from 13 May 2021 to 13 July 2021 should be included in Third Oli cabinet. And regarding the removal of ministers, they were not eligible to be reappointed in Third Oli cabinet as they were already appointed as minister in Second Oli cabinet. ~ Yeti Dai (talk) 06:33, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
please stop all these false debate. I have added every thing sith reference/ reliable citations. Where's yours? Yes i had added some contents in the article KP Sharam oli. You copied the same and added it as Third Oli cabinet telling it made long article. Have you forgotten it? What is in constitution? A minister from one cabinet cant go to to anoter cabinet? You said;"And regarding the removal of ministers, they were not eligible to be reappointed in Third Oli cabinet as they were already appointed as minister in Second Oli cabinet." Doesn't this apply to other onces? Have you read constitution? Are you an advocate? Supreme court removed them because they were not able to become member of parliament within 6 month. See this. [5] Can you deny me? I want one word answer so that admin and reviewers can be clear.43.245.86.16 (talk) 07:00, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The ministers were removed from post of member of parliament only in April 2021.[6] And you are claiming it has been over six months. ~ Yeti Dai (talk) 07:10, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The IP deleted a part of discussion stating :

I think you should bring others to have opinion only on keep and merge/delete. Please stop this argument with me. I added reference of what I found and wrote the same. Neither I am advocate nor you are. Still, I want others to keep their opinion. I am removing these absurd things as this is talk page of article keeping relation to a vital personality. Create consensus for keep and I would certainly congratulate if keep is passed.43.245.86.16 (talk) 07:37, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I again as you not to make a false debate. Supreme court has stateda per Constitution: A person who is not a MP can be appointed minister only once. In that appointment, he/she can take oath and work as minister but not twice even within in the span of 6 month. They were appointed second time within 6 month without being elected. I am accepting this! You may not be native speaker of English. I understand. Well note my words well. Let's have chat other than keep, delete and merge from here and do it in your talk page. Haven't I said KP Oli and all other ministers took oath while same cabinet was continued by Oli?110.44.121.21 (talk) 10:33, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://theprint.in/world/k-p-sharma-oli-sworn-in-as-nepal-pm-for-3rd-time-retains-previous-cabinet/658349/
  2. ^ https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/oli-sworn-in-as-prime-minister
  3. ^ https://www.wionews.com/south-asia/nepal-sc-dismisses-newly-appointed-7-ministers-from-their-positions-386331
  4. ^ https://www.wionews.com/south-asia/nepal-sc-dismisses-newly-appointed-7-ministers-from-their-positions-386331
  5. ^ https://english.onlinekhabar.com/supreme-court-bars-7-non-mp-ministers-from-office.html
  6. ^ https://thehimalayantimes.com/kathmandu/maoist-centre-takes-action-against-home-minister-thapa

Transclusion from Target talk-page[edit]

Merger of Second Oli cabinet with Third Oli cabinet[edit]

Formal request has been received to merge: Third Oli cabinet into Second Oli cabinet ; dated: 16 July 2021. Proposer's Rationale: Third Oli cabinet never existed officially. Same ministers and PM are listed in both second Oli cabinet and third Oli cabinet as listed in article Second Oli cabinet. So, they should be merged. Please feel free to share your opinion.. —User:43.245.86.16. Discuss here. GenQuest "scribble" 19:31, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: Second oli cabinet and Third oli cabinet are not different and the only difference is they come under second premiership and third premiership respectively as mentioned above. So a section for third premiership in same article, Second Oli cabinet can address both. Even the national medias term this as cabinet reshuffle. Can you deny this? It can be termed as second term of same cabinet as all the ministers remained same and same ministers took oath. Even their article suggest no Third Oli cabinet! Can you deny this? Fifth Deuba Cabinet, 2021 mentions it's preceded by Second Oli cabinet. Second Oli cabinet says it's succeeded by Fifth Deuba Cabinet, 2021. Isn't it? Except this article, you may not find this awkward topic, Third Oli cabinet any where. For your clarification:- What is a cabinet? Answer:the committee of senior ministers responsible for controlling government policy.(as found in dictionary)43.245.86.16 (talk) 07:43, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment : There was a discussion on this topic in Talk:Third Oli cabinet too. ~ Yeti Dai (talk) 04:13, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Tagging, dettaging, merger proposals, malformed AFDs and edit-warring[edit]

Will everyone please stop the disruptive behaviour on the article and discuss it out on the talk page? What do you find to be fan-pov? The template is related to fandom of entertainment media but I suppose this is about WP:NPOV. So, please explain what exactly is non-neutral? Same goes with other tags. What exactly is original research? Who exactly appears to have what kind of close connection with the subject? Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Usedtobecool, Here is the original content- "This was just the third tenure of Oli but not a different cabinet as reported by main stream media. The detailed list of minister remained the same. No change was made.[2] Only, a reshuffle was made which doesn't correspond to a different cabinet.[3]" The references do not conclude this cabinet is "not a different cabinet". And I think this is the main reason for edit-warring between previous editors. Don't you think so? nirmal (talk) 05:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, yeah, I had not noticed that that was in the lead. I have removed it. Thanks! Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:36, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Olis second premiership and extension of it as a minority role mistermed as third premiership[edit]

Oli never had a third premiership. The elections is happening just now and his tenure till July 2021 was still part of the same elected second premiership. Between may and july it was just a minority role and an extension of the same second premiership. All of the cited sources agree to that. One single user named as Yeti Dai is providing WP:BIAS and WP:POV and trying to push his case when all other users had already agreed that there is no third premiership. I have kept the section different and termed it as a minority role of second premiership. The only reason oli even stayed as a minority PM between May 13 and July 13 2021 is because opposition could not provide majority in time due to the president interfering misusing her rights which was overruled by the supreme court of Nepal swiftly. Any objection to the change should be solved via discussion here. Stop edit warring. 1BGhimire (talk) 20:53, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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