Talk:Perth (suburb)

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"Suburb"?[edit]

I'm surprised to see the central business district of any city disambiguated as a "suburb". From the WP article: "The term suburb mostly refers to a residential area, either existing as part of a city (as in Australia and New Zealand, and generally in the United Kingdom) or as a separate residential community within commuting distance of a city (as in the United States and Canada).". Is this a specifically Australian usage, to use "suburb" for the centre of a city? In normal British English usage the city centre could never be called a suburb. "District" or "city centre" perhaps? PamD 07:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Suburbs and localities (Australia) probably has what you're looking for. Basically, "suburb" is a blanket term for the smallest type of geographic subdivision, although they're only really used for addresses (not like local government areas, which actually govern themselves). In everyday speech, most people would probably would call it the central business district or just "the city". There's a lot of variation for Australian articles: Melbourne City Centre, Sydney central business district, Adelaide city centre, this article. Standardising them mightn't be a bad idea. I ♦A 08:12, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of people have spent lots of time sorting out exactly what Perth (suburb), Perth, Western Australia, City of Perth, Perth Metropolitan Region, Greater Perth, Division of Perth and Electoral district of Perth refer to. All are different. Perth (suburb) refers to the official locality of Perth, which are commonly called suburbs, especially in regards to qualification on wikipedia. It is not just the CBD. The area between Bulwer and Newcastle streets (Perth Oval area) is "inner city suburban" housing, not CBD-like, and is officially in the suburb of Perth. The-Pope (talk) 08:29, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

concur with the Pope - one must not confuse CBD as being separate from the suburb - they do exist together - and any careful examination of a road map of the Perth metro region will clearly indicate the suburb extends to the northern boundary of Hyde Park (!) - with Northbridge, and Highgate (adjacent suburbs) both much smaller in size... Satu Suro 10:48, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

qualified issue in the text to try to keep the current Perth mania down a bit - it is both the cbd and the suburb (modified previous response to correct my way of explaining the issue) - check any street map for perth and it is there... Satu Suro 12:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Perth's locality/suburb boundaries extend all the way north to Vincent Street, wrapping around Highgate and Northbridge and including Hyde Park - see this street view for example. Some people are lobbying the City of Vincent to fix this - it would result in the suburb of Perth north of Newcastle Street receiving a new, distinct name to be chosen by competition/submission. I'm personally in favour of this, but our article is stuck with the present reality by Wikipedia rules. The-Pope makes some good points. Orderinchaos 13:39, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Overlinking?[edit]

Can I have a couple of other opinions as to whether my removal of (what I considered excessive) links was reasonable, or whether 125.168.97.231 was justified in reverting it? Specific reasons I removed the links:

WP:SEAOFBLUE (for captions: Horseshoe Bridge, William Street and Council House, Perth)
WP:OVERLINK " .. not usually linked: everyday words understood by most readers in context" (for "suburb")

Mitch Ames (talk) 10:36, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My limited understanding of overlinking is that any one article being linked to is only needed the first time, usage of the word a second time in the article is totally unnecessary - slightly off-topic of your question - the article needs more links removed. sats 10:41, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits appear justified to me. Orderinchaos 11:45, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

+1 on the edit removing excessive links being reasonable, per the guideline links above - Evad37 (talk) 16:46, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We seem to have a bit an of edit war happening over these links. Regarding the latest salvo:

I still hold the opinion that linking both Horseshoe Bridge and William Street in the caption is unnecessary and contrary to WP:SEAOFBLUE. (In spirit, at least. To be fair, the comma is not linked, but it takes a close look to see two links instead of one.) The image is of the Horseshoe Bridge in particular, so that link is appropriate. The image is not of William St in general, so that link is less important and we should "Consider ... omitting one of the links".
I don't like linking a common word, but I concede that linking suburb in the lead sentence is not unreasonable: as 125.168.97.231 points out in the edit summary, the article is about a suburb, and WP:CONTEXTLINK explicitly allows for this (consider the example "Arugam Bay is a bay ...").

I've not removed either of the links again, but have invited 125.168.97.231 to discuss the matter here. Mitch Ames (talk) 07:09, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the invitation. Just as I've explained in my edit summary, the key subject of an article deserves a link on its own (an example would be "The Perth Wildcats are an Australian professsional basketball team...."). Also, links in the infobox take priority over links in the main body (as most readers will read the infobox only rather than the whole article). Wikipedia guidelines do allow links in the infobox to be exempted from the main body. 125.168.97.231 (talk) 02:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could be more specific please about "Wikipedia guidelines do allow links in the infobox to be exempted from the main body.". Which guideline(s) are you referring to? What do you mean by "exempted from the main body"? I know that WP:REPEATLINK says "links may be repeated in infoboxes", but that is explicitly as an exception to "a link should appear only once in an article" - it is not exemption from WP:SEAOFBLUE. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:12, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Omitting a link isn't the only option. The caption could be changed to "William Street on the Horseshoe Bridge" or similar. Or perhaps "View of Perth CBD from the Horseshoe Bridge" would be more appropriate, as the article subject is Perth, not William Street or the Horseshoe Bridge. - Evad37 (talk) 06:03, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. It's not a very good picture of the Horseshoe Bridge (you can't see the shape) so it makes much more sense say it's a picture of the CBD from the Horseshoe Bridge on William Street - so I've updated the article accordingly. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:13, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]