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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Southern+Airport+Management+Committee&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb#hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=76I&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB%3Aofficial&channel=fflb&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22Southern+Airport+Management+Committee%22&oq=%22Southern+Airport+Management+Committee%22&gs_l=serp.3...18926.19932.0.20490.2.2.0.0.0.0.113.208.1j1.2.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.2.serp.XpgiSwJS5y4&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42080656,d.d2k&fp=c26017bd2ad2bf1a&biw=988&bih=714 shows a google of "Southern Airport Management Committee". All references seem related to Peter Bone! Does anyone know the exact name of this thing? If not I will delete the reference in a bit and someone can perhaps add it later with a checkable name.

-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.17.96 (talk) 19:22, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Update to the paragraph above - someone has "removed stupid statements" that Southern Airport Management Committee isn't known to google. Meanwhile nobody has proved that this organisation ever did exist. The reason readers might care either way is that MPs might big-up their CVs and voters might want to check. For example "He has also run both a public company and a family business.", quoted from his party association web site, suggests experience of managing big commpanies.

Also removed is an obscure footnote to two companies run by other people called Peter Bone. I think it's fair on the MP to restore the footnote, because those other two companies went bust and might get quoted as his by mistake in media reports otherwise.

90.202.217.125 (talk) 10:36, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

-- This page is being vandalised - can people keep an eye on it?

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I've edited the Rushden page re shoe factories but the new link might belong here. It's about how MPs have not lobbied for shoe factores, even when UK Trade and Investment, a government department, is subsidising British Fashion Council's 30 staff and other offices they fund to promote Chinese leather shoes, and even when this is being done in the "Esthetica" ethical wing of London Fashion Week. So anyone involved with Sanders and Sanders in Rushden has to pay for UK Trade and Investment and London Development Agency's office called British Fashion Council, Own-it, Connexions, Ethical Trade Forum or whatever to promote Chinese shoes to the press as ethical and British while the factories themselves don't have any comparable resources to tell the public why a shoe bought in a democractic welfare state and a factory that pays taxes to this welfare state is a good thing to buy. Anyone who browses whatdotheyknow.com will see the sort of thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Veganline (talk) 18:44, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

The article does read a little like a hatchet job at present. I'm no fan of Bone and would never vote for him, but he's entitled to a neutral WP article as is any democratic politician. It's difficult to get the tone right in WP articles about politicians who get people's backs up, but a better attempt could be made in this case. --Ef80 (talk) 20:27, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings Ef. I've just looked at this again. Firstly he is rebellious, I'm sure he's very proud of it & he wouldn't thank us for saying otherwise. I'm sure he is pleased by the criticism in the Guardian & Mirror. The 2 main parties try to match the political beliefs of their MPs with their constituencies and the fact he is well to the right of many Wikipedia editors should stand him in good stead in Wellingborough.

Re more damaging criticisms, any response should be fully recorded. You'll note he wasn't criticized for expenses & his denial of the alleged fraud are covered.

If you can find something which you regard as more positive from a reliable source, don't hesitate to add it! Regards JRPG (talk) 22:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed; I'm no fan of his either but there's an awful lot of weight placed on criticism, smaller-than-average swings and the failure of his minority votes. I've tagged it in the mean time as the tough task of finding positive commentary on his contributions or evidence of his effectiveness is probably left to other editorsDtellett (talk) 14:42, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Greeings Dtellett. Firstly I agree with your removal of "attention-seeking" MPs -which was NOT part of my 5th December 2010 edit. A problem with editing articles on people who really do not share your viewpoint is that your idea of criticism is their idea of praise. As an example, see his appearance, albeit on a comedy program on Have I got news for you re the meanest boss. In short, if neither of us can find what we would deem positive stories from wp:rs such as the Times & Telegraph -and his own viewpoint has been clearly given in instances like expenses or alleged fraud then the wp:npov template is inappropriate. I'm happy to ask for a 3rd party viewpoint. Regard JRPG (talk) 16:04, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Dtellett and Ef80: I've added the 2015 results. I try very hard to make election results npov by calculating the swing and comparing it with the national result. This is the way the main parties assess a candidate though it's inappropriate for 2015 where the 2nd placed party candidate was suspended. I really don't think the tag should remain if there aren't any more positive stories to be found and clearly his constituents like his views. I don't think there's much disagreement between us but I'm considering asking for advice on whether the template should remain. Regards JRPG (talk) 20:57, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I'm happy to have the tag removed, as I think it's a bit OTT. I still think there are problems with the general tone of the article though. It's not a question of digging around trying to find something positive to say about Bone, it's more that the article currently has a Paxmanesque 'Why is this lying bastard lying to me?' feel to it. --Ef80 (talk) 00:14, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the tag, along with a couple of the more questionable terms of phrase and statements and added in the glaring omission of his views on Europe. Still think the article is quite weak, but better than many other UK politicians and most of the bias has gone. Dtellett (talk) 13:29, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Following Dtellett's post I've scrapped my reply! I'd missed the dodgy faith post altogether, LGBT stuff is, as usual for politicians,wp:UNDUE & Have I got news for you is never a useful factual source. Thanks both for your comments. JRPG (talk) 14:12, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Response to request for explanation in edit summary.

Greetings 151.231.25.88. You asked how adding details of a bill 'does not improve' the article. Firstly your formatting was incorrect and confusing and although I have fixed it, normally editors should do this themselves. Secondly, & much more importantly, although Hansard ensures accurate transcription it does not confer notability or even reliability. Private members bills which don’t get through parliament and aren't mentioned by the press aren’t really notable and I wouldn’t normally include them. Wikipedia:Suggested sources lists UK sources which are assumed reliable and normally confer notability. Hope that helps. Regards JRPG (talk) 18:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Expenses

I propose to delete the last line from the expenses section - it reads too much as though a member of his staff has written it. Paulharding150 (talk) 15:12, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted Paulharding150 (talk) 11:12, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Misuse of "quoted"

"Bone is quoted as playing cricket..." makes no sense. It is words that are quoted. Perhaps the writer means to quote someone saying something of Bone? 109.154.59.177 (talk) 15:30, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Use and misuse of tabloid, primary and other sources.

This article has a lot of material which shouldn't be in a WP:BLP article e.g. tabloids -see box at the top of this page. Items that comply with WP:Suggested sources#Current news are unlikely to cause anyone any problem but sources like Parliament.uk whilst providing a transcript don't explain why an item is worth including. Do we really need a list of all his failed private members bills or would a summary of the benefits achieved and the total cost to the taxpayer suffice? Better, I think to remove it as I did once before. His office is NOT a proper source for saying he is a successful businessman(!) -one of a number of examples of WP:PRIMARY. I will start to amend this in a day or so & look for better sources to replace the tabloids but I welcome comments. Regards JRPG (talk) 11:18, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:28, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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More detail on allegations he exposed himself to a male employee

Can we throw some more light on this please. 84.203.52.140 (talk) 17:56, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/16/peter-bone-conservative-mp-bullying-sexual-misconduct-iep/

Some stuff here that he demanded massages and shared a hotel room with a staffer in his twenties where he exposes himself with his genitals close to the young man face in a confined space. 84.203.52.140 (talk) 18:01, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]