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Radiation[edit]

Does the polar route expose passengers to more radiation than equatorial routes? I recall reading that the Earth's magnetic field tends to deflect some types of radiation towards the poles. Popular scientific articles sometimes compare radiation doses to polar flights. If true, it may be a relevant detail for the article. 10:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Yep. For this reason, the magnetic pole is more meaningful. The northern one is in Canada. Maps of flights near the magnetic poles would be useful for the article. 97.104.70.92 (talk) 20:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the amount of potentially carcinogenic radiation is compounded by altitude and solar storms.

Route not included in list[edit]

New York to Seoul at it's most northerly point

  • OZ221 / AAR221 Asiana Airlines
  • JFK New York
  • ICN Seoul
  • STD 1:00 PM EDT
  • ATD 1:42 PM EDT
  • STA 4:10 PM KST
  • ETA 3:41 PM KST
  • Aircraft(B772) Boeing 777-28E(ER)
  • Registration(71C254) HL8254
  • Altitude 36,000 ft
  • Vertical Speed 0 fpm
  • Speed 477 kt
  • Track 265°
  • Latitude 81.1847
  • Longitude -157.5506
  • Radar T-FAA2
  • Squawk N/A

86.143.67.134 (talk) 00:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Busy. Another airline. Same day, same route

2015-04-23 00:54 -- KE82 / KAL82 Korean Air -- JFK New York -- ICN Seoul -- STD 2:00 PM EDT -- ATD 2:29 PM EDT -- STA 5:20 PM KST -- ETA 4:23 PM KST

-- Aircraft(A388) Airbus A380-861 -- Registration(71BE27) HL7627 -- Altitude 36,000 ft -- Vertical Speed 0 fpm -- Speed 485 kt -- Track 270° -- Latitude 80.8508 -- Longitude -165.0222 -- Radar T-FAA3 -- Squawk N/A 86.143.67.134 (talk) 00:59, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Added the KE and OZ flights to the table. Note the great circle route of these is just south of 78 degrees N, but included them anyway. Perhaps the actual route taken by the aircraft goes a little north of the great circle path. Advanstra (talk) 15:02, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Removing lists of flights[edit]

Flights rarely operate very close to a great circle, at least not today with the modern weather forecasting programs available. Most flights operate on a path based on weather—avoiding severe weather, but more importantly following wind patterns. The lists of flights operating close to the poles is not only WP:Original research, it is far from accurate (especially the closest point/distance to the poles). The text of the article should say (and already does) what common city pairs polar flights travel between. I am moving the two lists below: List of current flight routes operating in the Arctic (within about 10° of the North Pole according to the great circle path):[1][2][3][4][5]

Origin
(IATA) 		Destination
(IATA) 		Closest Distance
to North Pole (km) 		Closest Point to
North Pole (km) 		Airline
Code 		Flight # Aircraft Frequency Flight
Length (km) 		Flight
Time(hr:min)
DXB SEA 165 88°31'04"N 33°56'04"W EK 229 Boeing 777-300ER Daily 11949 14:25
SEA DXB 165 88°31'04"N 33°56'04"W EK 230 Boeing 777-300ER Daily 11949 14:30
DXB SFO 202 88°11'29"N 33°46'48"W EK 225 Airbus A380 Daily 13041 16:00
SFO DXB 202 88°11'29"N 33°46'48"W EK 226 Airbus A380 Daily 13041 15:55
SFO AUH 269 87°35'17"N 34°14'15"W EY 182 Boeing 777-300 Daily 13129 16:10
AUH SFO 269 87°35'17"N 34°14'15"W EY 183 Boeing 777-300 Daily 13129 16:15
DXB LAX 601 84°36'43"N 32°04'44"W EK 215 Airbus A380 Daily 13420 16:15
LAX DXB 601 84°36'43"N 32°04'44"W EK 216 Airbus A380 Daily 13420 16:00
PEK JFK 666 84°02'04"N 201°23'51"E CA 981 Boeing 747 Daily 11024 13:30
JFK PEK 666 84°02'04"N 201°23'51"E CA 982 Boeing 747 Daily 11024 13:30
PEK JFK 666 84°02'04"N 201°23'51"E CA 989 Boeing 777-300 MoWeFrSaSu 11024 13:30
JFK PEK 666 84°02'04"N 201°23'51"E CA 990 Boeing 777-300 WeFrSu 11024 13:50
LAX AUH 680 83°54'32"N 32°31'55"W EY 170 777-200LR Daily 13502 16:35
AUH LAX 680 83°54'32"N 32°31'55"W EY 171 777-200LR Daily 13502 16:35
FRA ANC 785 82°57'45"N 72°59'11"W DE 2066 Boeing 767-300 TuThSaSu (May-Oct) 7527 9:40
ANC FRA 785 82°57'45"N 72°59'11"W DE 2067 Boeing 767-300 TuThSaSu (May-Oct) 7527 9:45
IAD PEK 902 81°54'56"N 199°35'12"E UA 807 Boeing 777-300 Daily 11172 14:15
PEK IAD 902 81°54'56"N 199°35'12"E UA 808 Boeing 777-300 Daily 11172 13:40
PEK IAD 902 81°54'56"N 199°35'12"E CA 817 Boeing 777-300 TuThSa 11172 13:50
IAD PEK 902 81°54'56"N 199°35'12"E CA 818 Boeing 777-300 TuThSa 11172 13:40
ORD DEL 1136 79°48'55"N 7°15'47"W AI 126 Boeing 777-300ER Daily 12044 14:25
DEL ORD 1136 79°48'55"N 7°15'47"W AI 127 Boeing 777-300ER Daily 12044 16:00
ICN JFK 1356 77°50'36"N 206°56'18"E KE 81/85 Airbus A380 Daily 11114 14:15
JFK ICN 1356 77°50'36"N 206°56'18"E KE 182/86 Airbus A380 Daily 11114 14:20
ICN JFK 1356 77°50'36"N 206°56'18"E OZ 222 Boeing 777-200ER Daily 11114 14:00
JFK ICN 1356 77°50'36"N 206°56'18"E OZ 221 Boeing 777-200ER Daily 11114 14:10

List of current flight routes operating in the Antarctic region (within about 30° of the South Pole according to the great circle path):[1][6]

Origin
(IATA) 		Destination
(IATA) 		Closest Distance
to South Pole (km) 		Closest Point to
South Pole (km) 		Airline
Code 		Flight # Aircraft Frequency Flight
Length (km) 		Flight
Time(hr:min)
SYD SCL 3141 61°49'49"S 220°01'48"E QF 27 Boeing 747-400 Mo,We,Fr,Sa 11363 12:40
SCL SYD 3141 61°49'49"S 220°01'48"E QF 28 Boeing 747-400 Mo,We,Fr,Sa 11363 14:15
AKL SCL 4167 52°37'15"S 229°37'07"E LA 800 Boeing 787-8 Daily 9674 12:40
SCL AKL 4167 52°37'15"S 229°37'07"E LA 801 Boeing 787-8 Daily 9674 13:10
SYD JNB 4368 50°48'50"S 94°28'23"E QF 63 Boeing 747-400 Daily 11044 14:20
JNB SYD 4368 50°48'50"S 94°28'23"E QF 64 Boeing 747-400 Daily 11044 11:50
  1. ^ a b Karl L. Swartz (2015). Great Circle Mapper http://www.gcmap.com/. Retrieved 12 April 2015. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  2. ^ "Ethihad Timetable". Ethihad Airways. Retrieved 12 April 2015.
  3. ^ "Emirates Timetable". Emirates Airlines. Emirates Airlines. Retrieved 12 April 2015.
  4. ^ "Flight Schedule". Air China. Air China.
  5. ^ "Timetable". United Airlines. United Airlines. Retrieved 12 April 2015.
  6. ^ "Timetable". Qantas. Retrieved 24 April 2015.

AHeneen (talk) 01:18, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There are many more southern ocean flights these days. See this map for routes and flight numbers. --- 79.74.131.29 (talk) 17:16, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, there have been many southern ocean routes over time. A more detailed map --- 92.5.183.155 (talk) 11:48, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Factual dispute tag[edit]

@Johnson.Xia: Greetings! It seems in June 2021, you added the {{Disputed}} tag to this article, with the edit summary: "Air France started the flight between Beijing and Paris from 1966, and Transworld Air started to fly to Shanghai from 1980." Nothing in the article seems to contradict these claims, so I don't see where there's a factual dispute? If I'm missing something, it might be helpful to explain here and tag the specific part of the article that's disputed. I didn't add either of these claims to the article, because no references were supplied, but perhaps you have those available? -- Beland (talk) 07:46, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid there is: "During the Cold War, the Arctic region was a buffer zone between the Soviet Union and North America. Civilian flights from Europe to the Asian Far East were prohibited from crossing the Eastern Bloc countries, Soviet Union or China". If there were flights going to and from cities in China, how could civilian flights be "prohibited from crossing ... China"? Johnson.Xia (talk) 16:03, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The first airline from outwith the communist bloc to get landing rights in China post-WW2 was PIA, in August 1963; services seem to have actually begun in 1964. I suspect the airlines of the capitalist running dogs and lickspittle lackeys of gangster imperialism had to wait a while longer – certainly BOAC/BA weren’t overflying China on their LHR<->Hong Kong route in the early 1970s. Mr Larrington (talk) 01:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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