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The music video section was totally reversed, corrected that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.33.161.42 (talk) 14:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Songwriters[edit]

I'm just adding this note regarding the changes I made to the songwriters of 'Don't Bring Me Down' and 'Midnight' in the article, mainly because there isn't a word limit on the talk page so I think it would be easier to explain it here:

With regards to 'Don't Bring Me Down', previously the article only listed two writers for this track, Bill Teeley and Glenn Wyka. However, the album notes credit a third writer 'James' for cowriting this track, who wasn't listed in the article. The song's copyright registrations on the BMI database and the United States Copyright Office confirm that it was indeed written by the three people credited on the album - 'James' = Tommy James (he also recorded a demo of the song - listen to it here just to further confirm it's the same song) and 'Teeley' = Tom Teeley, not Bill Teeley as the article previously stated - Glenn Wyka is correct so his name didn't need changing in the article (note: I get session timeouts on both databases, so if the links don't show the copyright registration - they will still take you to the databases - you can quickly find it a) on the BMI database by setting the search option to BMI Work # and typing 318312 into the search bar, or b) on the United States Copyright Office by setting the search option to Registration Number and typing SRu000096411 into the search bar).

With regards to 'Midnight', I was able to identify the writer as John David after going through several music copyright databases until I found a title/songwriter match in the Buma/Stemra database (it doesn't seem to link to individual copyright entries, so I've provided the link to the search option - just type the song title and songwriter into the relevant search bars and you should find it amongst the results) and the BMI database (like with the previous BMI link, if it shows a blank page on the database instead of the copyright registration, set the search option to BMI Work # like before but this time type in 26616156), which then led me onto finding the songwriter's demo recording which confirmed it was the same song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.255.101 (talk) 16:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just a couple more points to add: with regards to 'Counting on You', the songwriter is NOT Al Green, but rather it's Alan Green, an English musician who collaborated with Davy Jones on his solo career and also made records in his own right under the name Arlan Day, including his own version of the song ('I Surrender' is probably his most well known song), so the songwriting credit as it is listed in the article is correct. This one doesn't need correcting, but I'm just saying this in case anyone mistakingly links or plans on linking the credit to Al Green in the future.

Someone also recently edited the writing credit for "She's Movin' in with Rico" so it listed Eddie Howell (probably best known for his song "The Man from Manhattan") as its writer - this is indeed correct as per the SGAE Database (you need to specifically type in "Moving in with Rico" to bring up its copyright registration here). I'm bringing this up as well in case someone changes it to Andrew Howell (cowriter of "Heart and Soul" and bandmate of Roger Béchirian in Blanket of Secrecy) or reverts it back to just 'Howell' in the main article like it was before.

With regards to 'Midnight' again, someone has changed the track title in the article and the list of Monkees songs from 'Midnight' to 'Midnight (When It All Comes Down)'. I understand that the song was copyrighted and demoed by John David under the longer title (I posted the links above, so you can see for yourself), but The Monkees however simply recorded it as just 'Midnight', which is how the song is listed on all versions of the album that I'm aware of (CD, LP, cassette, download, original release, reissues etc.), so I think the song's title in the article and song list should be changed back to simply 'Midnight'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.255.101 (talk) 14:00, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would have to disagree with that. For one thing, the song isn't exactly one of the most recognisable songs by its title, especially given that there are other songs with the same name. For another thing, having the additional title in brackets helps to differentiate between other songs that are also called "Midnight". And thirdly, those who aren't familiar with the person who wrote the song will have an easier time identifying The Monkees' song as being the same song that was written and copyrighted by John David. Lastly, this song isn't the only example where a version of a song by a certain artist does not normally officially have an additional title in brackets, but has the additional title in brackets on the page, due to being recorded by another artist with the same additional title in brackets. I can think of at least one other example of this practice. ― C.Syde (talk | contribs) 10:31, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not responding sooner - I haven't been here for awhile. I still think the song should just be listed as "Midnight" on both pages. I'll do a rundown of your points and then give my responses:

"For one thing, the song isn't exactly one of the most recognisable songs by its title, especially given that there are other songs with the same name. For another thing, having the additional title in brackets helps to differentiate between other songs that are also called "Midnight"."

As long as the songwriter is clearly listed, which he is, I don't see how anybody is going to mix the song up with other songs called "Midnight". This album also contains songs called "Heart and Soul", "Long Way Home" and "Don't Bring Me Down", titles which have also been shared by plenty of other songs by other artists, but I've never seen anyone mix these Monkees tracks up with the other songs of the same name, but by the above logic these should also have additional titles to differentiate them too because they're not very recognisable titles and there are other songs with the same name, even though the songwriters are clearly listed.

"And thirdly, those who aren't familiar with the person who wrote the song will have an easier time identifying The Monkees' song as being the same song that was written and copyrighted by John David."

Again, as long as the songwriter is clearly listed, people aren't going to have any trouble identifying this song as being the same one he wrote, especially as the main title is the exact same here and in the copyright.

"Lastly, this song isn't the only example where a version of a song by a certain artist does not normally officially have an additional title in brackets, but has the additional title in brackets on the page, due to being recorded by another artist with the same additional title in brackets. I can think of at least one other example of this practice."

I have to admit I don't know what the rules are here, but I don't think edits like that should be made; I think the song should be listed as it is on the release, regardless of whether it has/hasn't an additional title on another release, unless there was an obvious unintentional spelling error. Honestly, the argument could be made that listing this particular song with an additional title is more likely to confuse people; The Monkees' version is without a doubt the most well known recording of the song (aside from John David's demo recording, I can't think of anyone else who recorded it), and they have only ever released the song as "Midnight" on every version of the album (physical releases, downloads etc.), and because it isn't listed with an additional title anywhere on any release of the album, the overwhelmingly vast majority of people who know the song are going to know it simply as "Midnight". So even though the song was copyrighted with it, having the additional title included on the page is going to be what confuses and looks unfamiliar to people. I can think of other examples where songs were copyrighted with additional titles but were released with just their main titles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.255.101 (talk) 11:16, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]