Talk:RMS Carpathia

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someone must edit this article on the grounds of these happenings....

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Rewrite needed[edit]

A rewrite is needed of parts of this article, which appear to be copied verbatim from the cited articles, [1] and [2]. Copyright has been asserted for the first site; there appears to be no release of copyright for the second. Kablammo 17:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, everything is considered copyrighted until proven otherwise. I've fixed the copyright problem. Thanks for bringing it up. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OKE, so I was not following wikipedia's rules. But looking at the content of the article now, I cannot help but laughing... Sorry, but to mention that Carpathia "cut of hot water in order to gain speed" is a factoid and little detail in a much bigger series of events and decisions. There is so much more to tell: the way captain Rostrom reacted to the message, his preparations for the rescue (and trust me, there was a lot more to do then just cut hot water!!), the "need for speed" while racing to the Titanic, etc. I wil try to write another contribution, and I will try to respect copyright. Afterall, wikipedia is there to give correct, neutral and full information, is it not? --Rolandv 08:29, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is physically impossible for a 14 knot ship to achieve 17 knots. The explanation for her supposed speed is that the captain thought the distance was 58 miles, but as we now know, the distance was less, confirmed by the Titanic wrecksite which is to the south and east of her radioed distress location.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.243.115 (talk) 13:07, 17 August 2007 (UTC) [reply]

This is true, and recent data have confirmed that the distance between Titanic and Carpathia was less then captain Rostrom believed. Nevertheless, the actions of Carpathia and her captain do not become less heroic for that reason. Carpathia and her crew still performed admirably, and in the best tradition of good seamanship. --Rolandv —Preceding undated comment added 19:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I Finally rewrote the rescue bit of the article. I tried to be neutral and to give accurate information about the actual distress call, the reaction of Captain Rostron and Carpathia's all-out dash through the icefield to rescue Titanic's passengers. The list of Rostron's preparations for the rescue mission were taken from the book mentioned on the page. --87.64.131.127 (talk) 21:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with your rewrite is that play-by-play how you presented it isn't really encyclopedic. -MBK004 21:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added Infobox[edit]

Per request above, I've added an infobox and filled it in to the best of my ability. Hopefully someone can complete it. RyanLupin (talk/contribs) 05:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Route[edit]

There seems to be an error in Carpathia's route. See below:

Source: http://www.greatships.net/carpathia.html (Plus Ellis Island records of my Grandparents, mom, and her sisters trip on the Carpatia on that date.... from Liverpool to N.Y. They migrated from Wales.

Until 1915, she generally spent summers on the New York-Liverpool route and winters on a New York-Trieste route where Cunard served as the Hungarian government's official emigration agent.

Please check this out... thanks. horncymru@aol.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Horncymru (talk • contribs) 02:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My great grandfather came to Boston on the maiden voyage of the Carpathia which departed Queenstown in 1903 and arrived days later in Boston. I have read subsequent passenger lists for all voyages 1903-1905 and at no other time did the Carpathia arrive in Boston. The article gives the impression that the normal route's western termination point was always Boston. I'm guessing that this would be considered original research since the information comes directly from passenger lists. Can anyone suggest a way to change the article to reflect this provable fact? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.55.127 (talk) 00:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sinking[edit]

"57 passengers and the surviving crew were rescued..." This doesn't tell me a lot. 57 out of 60 passengers? Out of 1,500 passengers? The number of 57 is not very helpful. Also, I would imagine that the SURVIVING crew were rescued. They wouldn't be surviving otherwise! How many crew were there? How many were lost? Gingermint (talk) 01:51, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There weren't 1500 passengers at the time. She was bound for Boston to pick up men and materiel and was "empty," so to speak. Had she been hit on the return trip, fully "loaded," undoubtably the death toll would have been higher. HammerFilmFan (talk) 06:00, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this is the source we are citing. It's not a great source, but it will do for now. That said, the information we are citing is on page 4 of that document, and we are giving as much information as the source provides. Ultimately, in order to provide more information, we will need a better source. Help us find one? SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:26, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will see what I can find. Thank you for looking into this! Gingermint (talk) 04:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I edited the section referencing a contemporary report from the New York Times, which gives a breakdown re passengers and crew. Salmanazar (talk) 17:09, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
the same report from the New York Times mentioned the Carpathia was torpedoed at 9.15 and sunk at 11.00 AM instead of being torpedoed shortly after midnight (Shortly after midnight on 17 July she was torpedoed in the Celtic Sea by the Imperial German Navy submarine) and sunk at 12.40 (Carpathia sank at 12:40 at a position recorded by Snowdrop) so I have changed that as well.

Also, the article stated about the survivors "The remainder of those on board, 218 in all" wouldn't this number have included the 57 passengers making the number of crew 161 instead of 218? ( All 57 passengers (36 saloon class and 21 steerage) and 218 surviving crew members boarded the lifeboats as the vessel sank) (Jerry N J V (talk) 07:54, 15 January 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Why this name?[edit]

Can anyone tell me the origin of his name "Carpathia"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.149.119.18 (talk) 09:44, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cunard, up until Berengaria, always named its ships after Roman provinces. Therefore, this is the name of a Roman province. SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:44, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I recall seeing that mentioned before, but don't see it in the Cunard Line topic. TEDickey (talk) 10:49, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Medal[edit]

A Carpathia silver medal, belonging to David Eaton, the shipwright who built the bunks for the survivors, featured on the BBC's Antiques Roadshow broadcast on 23 October 2011. There was some discussion as to how many of the gold medals were actually issued. The silver medal was valued for auction at between £7,000 and £10,000.109.154.156.195 (talk) 19:43, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not going into the article. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:48, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well thanks for deciding for us Schumin. But might some editors wish to discuss your reasoning here? Thanks. 109.153.213.48 (talk) 17:32, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That information would only belong in an article about either the Antiques Roadshow or an article about Cunard line collectibles. Your request would be like asking for information about collector plates depicting butterflies being included in a scientific article about butterflies or information about various kinds of cookware being included in an article about the various kinds of cookies that exist. Or more succinctly, a mention of the autographed picture you have of Lyndon Johnson in an article about the president.

Main Page appearance on 15 April[edit]

Please note that I have nominated Sinking of the RMS Titanic to appear on the Main Page next month on 15 April. In conjunction with that, it is proposed that this article will also be linked from the Main Page on the same day. Please see Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests#April 15 for details. Prioryman (talk) 23:18, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Page views on the centenary day[edit]

This article was one of eleven Titanic-related articles linked from the Featured Article box on Wikipedia's Main Page on 15 April 2012, the centenary of the Titanic disaster. I thought editors here might be interested to know the level of usage the articles got on that day:

Well done to everyone who contributed to making Wikipedia's commemoration of the Titanic such a big success! Prioryman (talk) 23:48, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Clean Up and New Information[edit]

I've cleaned up this article and added a lot of new information I've found from periodicals written around the time Carpathia was launched in 1903, as well as information from historians and primary source deck plans. This is my first foray into Wikipedia editing, so please feel free to adjust or fix any references, provide critiques, etc.

P. Musgrave (talk) 19:07, 11 July 2017 (UTC)P. Musgrave, 11 July 2017[reply]

Renovation, Partnership for Hungarian emigrants[edit]

I changed "Hungarian-American line" to the real name of the line ("Adria"). Also I removed details of first-class facilities. I think it is too detailed, and is opposite to the main purpose of the renovation: to transfer as much poor emigrants as possible.

In ref Magyar Hajózásért Egyesület (in Hungarian): "In 1904, the Hungarian government contracted for a ten-year concession with the Cunard Line shipping company. The government wanted to control of the Hungarian emigration traffic to the United States. Cunard's home partner was the Hungarian Sea Navigation Company "Adria". Under the terms of the treaty, all Hungarian emigrants had to travel from Cunard from Fiume, so the government granted Cunard a monopoly for the relocation of Hungarian emigrants"

Unfortunately I could not find English ref for these.

(Also the government had jurisdictions about emigrant traffic, Cunard had to pay for the concession and Hungarian officers was to serve on the ship to help emigrants, and supervise health issues. There were 1.5 million Hungarians emigrated from Hungary between 1880 and 1914. Carpathia was one of the most used in the late years.) JSoos (talk) 09:38, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Added Official Number to Info Box[edit]

Just to make everyone aware, I've added the Official Number for Carpathia to the info box (118014). Got this from the cover of her Log Book. Delivered to Superintendant of the Mercantile Marine on 13 January, 1913.--DarkLight753 (talk) 01:00, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Name origin[edit]

User:Urabura continually adds, with no source, that the ship is named for the Carpathian mountains. That's probably true, but is not inevitably true. It needs a cite if it's to be added. He or she continually re-adds it, and never with a cite. I've commented on the editor's talk page and gotten no response; instead he or she, just plows ahead with his or her edit-war.

As I said, it's probably correct, but "probably correct" is not sufficient to justify adding what one editor thinks is likely true to a Wikipedia article. If it is actually correct, it should not be too hard to find something saying so; and if there is nothing saying so, this is one edtor's surmise, and should not be included.

Areas of what something is named for is prone to error; it could well be that the ship was named for something that in turn was named for the Carpathian mountains, for example. TJRC (talk) 22:59, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I note that under #Why this name? above, someone says it was named for a Roman province, not the mountain range. TJRC (talk) 01:39, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(The Roman empire never ruled the mountain area, just Pannonia, there was no such province called Carpathia.) JSoos (talk) 13:39, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is just as likely that the name Carpathia was chosen in anticipation of the contract that Cunard made with the Austro-Hungarian government to be the exclusive provider of transportation of Hungarian citizens to the United States. One of the poorest regions of the Austro-Hungarian empire was then known as "Sub Carpathia" that is, the valley just below the Carpathian mountain range where many of these immigrants came from. While initially the ship served mostly British and Irish passengers, it may have been originally intended to serve Hungarians and was simply delayed in doing so. It seems a logical assumption that there is a connection between the name and the people the ship would eventually serve. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.55.127 (talk) 01:33, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dates[edit]

File:R.m.s carpathia Sinking.jpg

Hello, the caption on the file reads: English: RMS Carpathia sinking. On the summer morning of 17 July she was torpedoed, at 9:15 by the Imperial German Navy submarine U-55, does not seem to be correct Lotje (talk) 14:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A rewrite is needed of parts of this article, which appear to be copied verbatim from the cited articles, [1] and [2]. Copyright has been asserted for the first site; there appears to be no release of copyright for the second. Kablammo 17:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC) 103.204.69.225 (talk) 19:39, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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