Talk:Rakhine people

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History[edit]

The current entry is way too long. Much of the material belongs in the Rakhine History article. This section should contain just the summary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hybernator (talk • contribs) 02:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

@Hybernator 2001:D08:2296:7058:BFC0:47FB:AC0C:CDD (talk) 07:00, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from a passerby[edit]

I have little familiarity with the subject, but I noticed that the article is about Rakhine but the lead names this group as Arakanese. As a reader unfamiliar with the topic, I have no way of knowing from the lead what the difference is and why one name would be used and not another. That ought to be clarified for the sake of readers. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:30, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to have been resolved, with the first sentence noting "formerly" Arakanese and the seconder sentence noting the former region of Arkan.

Resolved

Klbrain (talk) 17:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

It seems reasonable to merge the Rakhine people in Bangladesh into the Rakhine people page, as suggested some 23 months ago; the former is small and benefits from the content of the broader article. Klbrain (talk) 18:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done Klbrain (talk) 17:31, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestral origins[edit]

@Ryrusnsnam: - I've created a discussion thread here to help facilitate discussion and identify verifiable sources that corroborate your claims below.

The term 'Rakhine' is Burmanized word for Arakan, Arakha or Rakha. The Rakhine didn't migrated to Arakan but which saw Pyu invasion of Arakan which ended the Chandra Dynasty of Waithali Kingdom, during Alaungsithu of Pagan, he send many of Pyus and Mons soldiers to Arakan but they are not Rakhines, but to be intermixed with them.

Also pinging Ko @Hybernator:. Cheers. —Hintha(t) 17:40, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lemro period king where descendants of the chandras Ryrusnsnam (talk) 12:11, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that you read Two Sides of the Same Arakanese Coin: ‘Rakhine,’ ‘Rohingya,’ and Ethnogenesis as Schismogenesis (in particular pages 3, 4, and 6), which more clearly outlines the overwhelming evidence for a shared ancestry between the Bamar and the Rakhine. I've expanded the section with this source.

Linguistic evidence - Burmese and Rakhine both descend from Old Burmese, and linguistic research detects a dialectal split in the mid-10th century
Genetic evidence - recent work indicates that the Bamar (dubbed 'Mranmaic' in the source) from the Irrawaddy valley who migrated to Arakan branched off early in their history

The author notes: "Ultimately, Rakhine historians are confronted with a paucity of reliable historical material from which to support their claims." I want to ensure we are separating claims driven by a nationalist agenda, and the available historical, genetic, and linguistic evidence in the Ancestral origins section. The Chandra dynasty that ruled Waithali was more likely Indo-Aryan in origin, given that ancestors to the Bamar and Rakhine did not even migrate to the Irrawaddy valley until the 7th century AD. --Hintha(t) 07:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am appalled by your racist, neo-colonial diatribe. There's no such thing as "Bamar." That's a colonial creation. Very few "Bamar" identify as "Bamar." It's a term against the mainstream culture espoused by Christian ethnic groups, Chinese immigrants, white leftists, and others who want to topple the mainstream culture. There is no evidence that an Indo-Aryan group ruled Arakan. Some Pagan people migrated to the region and mixed with indigenous peoples. The "Bamar" were also a mixture of Pyu and others. In fact, the Shans were late-comers to the region who conquered vast swathes of Burmese lands and mixed with what you call "Bamar." So, there's no such thing as "Burman conquerors." It is an anti-mainstream genocide plot similar to the Jewish Conspiracy. UThantRoad (talk) 22:40, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The source you cite is full of outright lies. There have never been any genetic study focusing on the Arakanese. Genetic studies are also not that accurate and have to be balanced with other known facts. The source cites a well-known genetic study which doesn't make any of the claim he cites. The author is a white racist with an anti-Burmese agenda who has a long history of racist outbrusts on Twitter. UThantRoad (talk) 23:02, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rakhine people origin[edit]

Arakanese legends and some Rakhine people claim that they are Aryans came from Shakya, India, but it is impossible. Maybe Rakhine people are mixed Tibeto-Burman and Indo-Aryans from Shakya. Aryans from Shakya are mixed with Munda peoples. Rakhine and Burmese are very closely related languages, which both descend from Old Burmese so they are Tibeto-Burman. 3000 or 2800 years ago, The Chandra dynasty that ruled Dhanyawadi and Waithali was more likely Indo-Aryan in origin. Arakanese legends claim that the Unknown ethnic group are founder of Dhanyawadi. Now they are mixed with rakhine people.

The book called Ethnic Culture Traditional Customs Rakhine 1976 (Burmese:တိုင်းရင်းသားယဉ်ကျေးမှု ရိုးရာဓလေ့ထုံးစံများ ရခိုင် ၁၉၇၆) page 33,36 and some history books claim that too.