Talk:Risk parity/GA2

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GA Reassessment[edit]

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Criteria[edit]

Good Article Status - Review Criteria

A good article is—

  1. Well-written:
  2. (a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and
    (b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.[1]
  3. Verifiable with no original research:
  4. (a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
    (b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);[2] and
    (c) it contains no original research.
  5. Broad in its coverage:
  6. (a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic;[3] and
    (b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
  7. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  8. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
  9. [4]
  10. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
  11. [5]
    (a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and
    (b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.[6]

Review[edit]

  1. Well-written:
  2. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (prose) Seems fine in this department. Pass Pass
    (b) (MoS) The reviewer has no notes here. Pass Pass
  3. Verifiable with no original research:
  4. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (references) Well done here. Pass Pass
    (b) (citations to reliable sources) The reviewer has no notes here. Pass Pass
    (c) (original research) The reviewer has no notes here. Pass Pass
  5. Broad in its coverage:
  6. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (major aspects) This article "misses the boat" by failing to cite specific examples during the 2008 crisis. It would be good to include perhaps a whole section on the effects of the 2008 collapse with regards to risk parity. Fail Fail
    (b) (focused) Needs more detail and specificity. On hold On hold
  7. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  8. Notes Result
    The reviewer has no notes here. Neutral Undetermined
  9. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
  10. Notes Result
    The reviewer has no notes here. Pass Pass
  11. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
  12. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales) The reviewer has no notes here. Pass Pass
    (b) (appropriate use with suitable captions) This topic demands more appropriate imagery to even be considered for GA status. The one image is good, but for the topic at hand, historical data should be included. Fail Fail

Result[edit]

Result Notes
Fail Fail This article lacked the required depth that would exemplify a GA.

Discussion[edit]

Please add any related discussion here.

  • Some time will be given for corrections to be made or my view disputed. Don4of4 [Talk] 05:24, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi Don, Thanks for your interest in this article and your efforts to improve Wikipedia. As you know GA articles are not FA's and can be improved and expanded. I have no objections to an additional paragraph or section about the way risk parity was influenced by the the 2008 financial collapse as long as there are reliable sources and the new section or paragraph is given appropriate weight per the preponderance of the sources. So I'm happy to collaborate with you on this.
    • There are a couple of things however, that are a bit confusing to me and maybe you could help me understand:
      • Can you elaborate on the intended purpose of this Additional Notes list is on the article talk page? I assume that they are suggested sources for the section you'd like to add to the article but I'm not sure because I checked the three items that have URL's and #'s 3 and 6 don't mention risk parity (according to my PDF search function) and #20 is a dead URL link. Also none of the other 17 items list the words risk parity in the title and 15 of the 20 items are dated prior to 2008 and therefore would not have any info on the 2008 crisis. So I'm not really sure what that list is about.
        • The list was automatically added. I believe it provides the content for the citations users already made. Don4of4 [Talk] 19:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • In your reassessment you have Failed the article for "Images: appropriate use with suitable captions" by saying "This topic demands more appropriate imagery to even be considered for GA status. The one image is good, but for the topic at hand, historical data should be included". Are there any appropriate copyright free images available that further illustrate the major points in the article? If so I'd be happy to include them. But I don't see how you can fail the article's image requirement. Since you've said yourself that the images presently in the article are useful and used appropriately.
        • There is only one image. There is plenty of potential for graphs or other simple visual aids. The apparent lack of free images isn't an excuse when images can be created. Don4of4 [Talk] 19:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Mostly though I don't understand why this couldn't have been addressed as a simple talk page discussion and a subsequent collaborative effort to expand and improve the article instead of a reassessment and the threat of a downgrade. The current set up is conducive for conflict rather than collaboration but maybe I'm missing something.
        • I totally agree with you, but in the end I didn't feel like this article was close enough to GA requirements to dictate that courtesy. Don4of4 [Talk] 19:58, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I look forward to working together, peace out! --KeithbobTalk 18:17, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Notes[edit]

  1. ^ Compliance with other aspects of the Manual of Style, or the Manual of Style mainpage or subpages of the guides listed, is not required for good articles.
  2. ^ Either parenthetical references or footnotes can be used for in-line citations, but not both in the same article.
  3. ^ This requirement is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of featured articles; it allows shorter articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, and overviews of large topics.
  4. ^ Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, good faith improvements to the page (such as copy editing), and changes based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply. Nominations for articles that are unstable because of unconstructive editing should be placed on hold.
  5. ^ Other media, such as video and sound clips, are also covered by this criterion.
  6. ^ The presence of images is not, in itself, a requirement. However, if images (or other media) with acceptable copyright status are appropriate and readily available, then some such images should be provided.

Progress[edit]

Hi everyone. I come here after a note was placed at WP:GAR regarding this reassessment. I do run through these occasionally so probably would have commented here eventually. It has not had any activity for over a month now and it appears the initiator is on a Wikibreak. As to the requests above the image one is not really part of the GA criteria unless there are free ones available. The broadness criteria can be a bit tricky. It must over the main aspects of a topic, but that doesn't mean that it needs to cover them all or in great detail. I don't know enough about the topic to comment too much on this, but if you give a bit more detail on what is missing that would help. 11:13, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Community reassessment of Risk parity's GA status in progress[edit]

Please join the conversation here. --KeithbobTalk 23:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]