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Proposal: Auto-direct to 'cristiano ronaldo'

Plenty of wikipedia bios are of people named ronaldo. Currently the single name 'ronaldo' is associated most commonly with cristiano ronaldo dos santos aveiro:

http://www.google.com.au/trends?q=ronaldo

This means that most people who search for ronaldo are searching for cristiano ronaldo. If someone types 'ronaldo' into wikipedia, it should direct to the cristiano ronaldo article. Having it direct to this particular brazilian ronaldo is like having it direct to Ronaldo Maczinski124.188.101.1 (talk) 03:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

This is a frankly ridiculous suggestion. Ronaldo - who is only ever referred to by the single name "Ronaldo" - is one of the most successful footballers of all time. It's like suggesting that a current player called "Pele" should take precedence over his retired counterpart purely on the basis of recency. Cristiano Ronaldo is well-known by his full name and can be found easily enough as it is. Additionally, Google Trends does not indicate the intent of which Ronaldo was being searched for, only that the keyword "Ronaldo" was used and that most recent stories containing the keyword have been about Cristiano Ronaldo - hardly surprising. --Elvisfett (talk) 13:48, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Cristiano Ronaldo article hits are almost double Ronaldo article hits, and this ignores that a large amount of those hits on the brazilian ronaldo page would be for people who r looking for cristiano ronaldo. Cristiano Ronaldo has just 'ronaldo' on his jersey and almost all media refer to him as just 'ronaldo'. It's about relevance to what people want to read and they want to read about cristiano ronaldo, not the brazilian ronaldo. If in 100 years time we had another brilliant ronaldo come along who was extremely successful and popularly searched, wikipedia articles would direct to what is relevant: the new ronaldo. It's about relevance and practicality. ppl shouldnt have to keep click on redirect because someone wants to pay homage to some ancient superstar. The convenient & practical option should be chosen, not one to value and worship a particular player over others.Utopial (talk) 10:15, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

It's ridiculous to propose that Ronaldo shouldn't be a article about THE Ronaldo. chandler 11:47, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Back up your assertions with science, not dogmatic sensual superstitions. The stats show who most people are thinking of wen they use the word 'ronaldo' or who they think of when they hear the word 'ronaldo'. I'm fairly open to either option, but the evidence is weighing in favour of the portuguese player at the moment.Utopial (talk) 09:32, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

So should Madonna redirect here? No disrespect to the Portuguese player, but as of today the Brazilian Ronaldo remains the most successful player to be known under this name and, obviously, by far the most successful player to be known by the single name Ronaldo. BanRay 13:46, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Exactly - it's an encyclopedia, not the website version of a celebrity magazine. Fine as it is. Elvisfett (talk) 12:06, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

" but as of today the Brazilian Ronaldo remains the most successful player to be known under this name " --> how do you know this? It seems from all the research above, that Cristiano Ronaldo is just as famous if not more to have the name "Ronaldo". There should be a different solution here. Brazilian Ronaldo was a greater player for his country (it's Brazil), but Cristiano Ronaldo won the Champions League and 3 consecutive championships, something Brazilian Ronaldo didn't (never reached a Champions League final match). Cristiano already won the Ballon d'Or so it's difficult to say he's an inferior player than Braizlian Ronaldo was. Amoruso (talk) 02:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

On the other hand, Ronaldo had the title of the best player of the world for 3 times, and Cristiano Ronaldo never only once, and Ronaldo won 2 World Cup, and Cristiano never. The Champions League is an European league.--Luizdl (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Ronaldo is far more successful than Cristiano Ronaldo. Ronaldo won the World Cup twice. Cristiano Ronaldo didn't. The World Cup is a more important competition than any competition won by the Portuguese footballer. Besides that, Ronaldo also won the FIFA Confederations Cup once and the Copa América twice. Ronaldo won the FIFA World Player of the Year three times (Cristiano Ronaldo won only once) and the Ballon d'Or twice (Cristiano Ronaldo won only once). So there is no reason to move this article. --Carioca (talk) 19:24, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Trying to establish which Ronaldo is more successful is pointless. I suggest redirecting "Ronaldo" to a disambiguation page. Snookerman (talk) 13:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd suggest leaving it as it is. As an appeal to (non-controversial, I venture) authority, FIFA uses Ronaldo and Cristiano Ronaldo, respectively, in the same article. http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1255445/index.html#history+beckons+2010s+golden —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.20.131.18 (talk) 11:42, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Now that Klose scored twice against Argentina, the commentators were talking about his beating the record. This is what he said, translated word for word from Swedish: "It's Ronaldo that has the record, the real one that is". I guess that sums it up, this is the "real" Ronaldo. Snookerman (talk) 16:17, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I just want to say that you can search for Cristiano Ronaldo directly with the name 'Cristiano Ronaldo' while there is no commonly known alternate name for 'The Ronaldo' for people to search for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.236.115 (talk) 20:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Statistcs

The CORRECT Ronaldo staticts includes his "Campeonato Paulista" and "Campeonato Mineiro" numbers.

People are changing it making vandalism.

The total games and goals add stays incorrect with these changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheAmazingChandler (talk • contribs) 23:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

No, buddy, sorry, but it does not. Only DOMESTIC league apps and goals are allowed as per WP:FOOTY. Regional/state league data is already included in "Total" field. Unless you create another table with a specific field for "domestic REGIONAL league" data. Regards, —Lesfer ^(t/c/@) 13:50, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it's worth mentioning that Ronaldo's 15 World Cup goals were scored in 18 games, while Gerd Müller's 14 goals were scored in 12 games. Furthermore, the 1970 and 1974 competitions in which Müller took part still used the old 16-team format, so Müller didn't have the same chance to pad his statistics against relatively weaker teams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keithsmd (talk • contribs) 00:46, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Goal.com Player of the decade

He won Goal.com player of the decade. he was voted by the people. also the website said that they checked the results so duplicate votes were removed someone should add that i think its very important —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.16.67 (talk) 00:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

you are the best player in the world —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.230.154.48 (talk) 13:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

The numbers... All recorded... 1993-2010(Feb)

I´m a Sports student. About Ronaldo de Lima, these are his numbers, all in recorded tapes ( as we are in the technology Era) :

Sao Cristovao: 15 gols in 15 G. / Cruzeiro: 56 gols in 57 G. / PSV : 56 gols in 58 G. / Barcelona: 47 gols in 49 G. / Inter Milan: 69 gols in 101 G. / Real Madrid: 104 gols in 158 G. / AC Milan: 9 gols in 15 G. / Corinthians: 24 gols in 40 G. / BRAZIL : 72 gols in 98 G.

Club friendlies in Europe,: 23 gols in 22 G.

6 / Feb / 2010

Thank you. Have a nice year of 2010  :)) "carpe diem... wisely . "  ;) --89.152.21.112 (talk) 20:52, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Ronaldo (name)

In this article c.ronaldo is settled out. if here's article Ronaldo (name), why it's not used? c.ronaldo is not first Ronaldo, so what that he is in some subjective opinion prominent? There is other 6 Ronaldos, excluding De Lima, which are also named Ronaldo even before c. article was created. I think it would be nicely used Ronaldo (name) article and much objective than settle out c. cAnd by the way, c.ronaldo was settled out for few days comparing to long standing Ronaldo (name) here, so I am returning to it's original base. See ya. I love you all.95.68.34.127 (talk) 19:34, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Cristiano Ronaldo is currently the most notable of the "other" Ronaldos and the one readers are most likely to be looking for if they ended up at Ronaldo by mistake. Therefore it makes sense to single him out with a separate reference in the hat note. Favonian (talk) 19:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

That reader can find him in Ronaldo (name) list right after Ronaldo de Assis Moreira, of course if he is exactly searching c.ronaldo, maybe he is searching ronaldao, which was named Ronaldo until 1996 when Ronaldo was starting to dominate in grass field - another wonderful reason to add Ronaldo (name) list in header. Let's make wikipedia gourgeous with lots of information. ;) 95.68.34.127 (talk) 19:51, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to make of the above message, but it seems natural for a user to enter "Ronaldo" in the search field to look for Cristiano Ronaldo, since "Ronaldo" is used as shorthand for Cristiano in the news media, whereas all other Ronaldos are mentioned with some sort of qualifier. Plus, the first few pages of Google search results for "Ronaldo" yield links that are entirely about the two Ronaldos here. I don't think any reasonable person would argue that "Ronaldo", especially to English speakers, mean, for the most part, either of the two Ronaldos in discussion. --Mosmof (talk) 20:31, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with the special mention in the hatnote. Situations like this are precisely why the hatnote templates have features like this. End of argument. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 22:34, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Not is writ one detail

Not is writ the very important detail of that Ronaldo had an obesity problem not long ago.From Venezuela of Ronho Así y Asao (talk) 01:00, 22 August 2010 (UTC).

Club names

There's an edit war going on between me and one or several IPs concerning whether the clubs should be written as Internazionale and Milan or Inter Milan and AC Milan. My feeling is that in the English speaking world outside of Italy that the latter is how these clubs are commonly, if not exclusively, referred to. So much so that it wasn't till this edit war began that I even became aware of the fact that AC Milan was ever referred to just as Milan (as it is in Italy). I think in order to minimize overall reader confusion we should go with Inter Milan and AC Milan. SQGibbon (talk) 01:50, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Judging by usage in English language media, "Inter Milan" and "AC Milan" seem to be accepted, and least confusing, shorthand. Mosmof (talk) 14:59, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The editor that always changes the names back is ignoring anyone that thinks otherwise and keeps ediditing whatever he want because he wants so I have a similar editing war with him on another topic and he just ignoring the discussion pages .Maccabit (talk) 17:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Flamengo not a Corinthians rival

"Ronaldo signed a one-year deal with Flamengo's league rival Corinthians."

Flamengo is not a Corinthians rival. Flamengo rivals are Vasco da Gama and Fluminense. Corinthians rivals are São Paulo and Palmeiras. Rivalry is out of context on this sentence. Both teams can even be considered friendly teams, since they share strong popularity "team of the masses" status. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.230.244 (talk • contribs)

The teams involved RJ derby and Sao Paulo derby should called "rival". Other just league rival as they were potential winner of the league. Matthew_hk tc 20:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Nickname

II Fenómeno is his nickname given by Brazilian fans? I never heard about it in English world. Sorry no reliable source and i removed it. Matthew_hk tc 20:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

He was called "Ronaldo Fenômeno" by parts of the Brazilian media a few years ago. --Carioca (talk) 20:19, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

So it is not a nickname globally known, may be open another sentence to say he is nicknamed XXX by Brazilian media. The nickname unlike Batigol which globally known. Matthew_hk tc 20:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I do not believe this nickname is globally known. --Carioca (talk) 20:24, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

You're kidding right? As far as I'm aware he was also known as the "The Phenomenon" in Europe when he first broke through. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.1.95.137 (talk) 07:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Date of Birth

Per his book, Ronaldo: Journey of a Genius, by James Mosley, on page 20. It very plainly states "Sonia Barata Nazario De Lim gave birth to Ronaldo on 18 September 1976." The next paragraph reads as follows "his father Nelio was unable to provide the birth registration fee of ten Brazilian Reals (BR$. It took him four days to cobble this amount together and, to avoid a fine for late payment, he declared that Ronaldo had been born on 22 September." He entered the world, via birth, on 18 September. That is, and always will be, his real date of birth. The book further explains that Ronaldo celebrates his birthday twice, once on his real birthday, and once on the date on his birth certificate. 99.169.250.133 (talk) 22:28, 11 December 2010 (UTC)