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Who was St Piran?[edit]

I am puzzled by the statement in the article that Trust research "has led them to the conclusion that St Piran was indeed..."

I have looked at the referred website and it says "nothing is sure" and "No one can state for sure who St Piran was..." This strikes me as reasonable in the light of the evidence which is, as for many saints, thin and unweighable.

Is there evidence not on the website that justifies the statement?

I am minded to remove the statement and simply refer to the Trust website. Crococolana 23:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Saint" not used as title in Cornwall?[edit]

traditionally in Cornwall, saints are simply named, without this title

What's the evidence for this Cornish tradition? Flapdragon (talk) 21:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cornish or Irish[edit]

In the introduction, it states Piran is Cornish. Later it says he came from Ireland. Does this not make him Irish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by The cows want their milk back (talk • contribs) 19:09, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It possibly does, but in this case I think it is referring to him in the same way people refer to Saint Patrick as having been Irish, despite the fact that he was, in all probability, British. I don't think one's place of birth necessarily indicates one's nationality. After all, Éamon de Valera (former President of Ireland) was born in New York City. Yet he is considered by most to be Irish. --MacTire02 (talk) 12:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation?[edit]

Does anyone know the correct pronunciation of Piran? I've come across both Piran as to rhyme with Mirren (an ex-colleague used this pronunciation for his first name) and Piran pronounced similarly to pirate (The St Piran's school in Maidenhead apparently uses this pronunciation). 86.165.120.95 (talk) 23:01, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have never heard it pronounced to rhyme with "pirate". I've only ever heard it pronounced to rhyme with "mirren". --Joowwww (talk) 11:21, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Drunk?[edit]

Note 5: "5th March.- St. Piran's day is a miners' holiday. St. Piran is the patron saint of "tinners," and is popularly supposed to have died drunk. "As drunk as a Piraner" is a Cornish proverb." The authority for this is an 1886 article. It would appear that the author confused Piran for the less well known Saint Pyr of Caldey Island who did indeed die from injuries sustained from failing into a well after imbibing too much. The St Piran's Day article says "The phrase 'drunk as a perraner' was used in 19th century Cornwall to describe people who had consumed large quantities of alcohol." -a reference not to the saint, but celebratory miners. I'm not sure how to clarify this as the dubious information is buried in a note. Mannanan51 (talk) 02:47, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]