Talk:Stanislav Petrov

"questions over the part Petrov's decision"

It is universally agreed by all sources that Petrov's second-guessing of the (ancient) computer saved humanity its worst possible scenario; whoever wrote this is interjecting negativity for unknown reasons, (possibly secondary gain, or perhaps bias towards what survives of the hated apparat). Likewise, Petrov may assert he was not punished (to prevent punishment by aforementioned aparat) but he was--his career was destroyed and he was forced to live on a meager Soviet pension.

Needs cleaned ASAP. --John Bessa (talk) 12:58, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

New revelation

It is my belief that it was Carney's/Karney's information which Petrov had received, although he would not have been aware from which individual that information originated which reached him through the system. I just read the review to a book http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/american-stasi-agent-describes-his-experiences-in-new-book-a-916374.html and since the time mentioned is also fall 1983 (like September) it seems very likely that we are talking of the same event. The Russian got a Peace Prize, the American got prison. Ally Hauptmann-Gurski 144.136.192.37 (talk) 05:22, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Able Archer incident

'November 1983 by the US and its Nato allies was so realistic it made the Russians believe that a nuclear strike on its territory was a real possibility.' http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/02/nato-war-game-nuclear-disaster

Were these two incidents related or not? I get a feeling nuclear disaster was some sort of 1983 zeitgeist, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.128.241 (talk) 08:47, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Missile or missiles?

The introduction states that it was a missile. The "incident" section says missiles, plural. Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grumpyoldgeek (talk • contribs) 00:09, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

References to Petrov and the incident in War! What is it Good For?

I agree with User:Motiard. This section goes off topic and smacks of promotion of someone else's ideas. Let's keep this biographical article about Petrov. Rklawton (talk) 00:42, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you User:Rklawton for starting this and for backing me up (if that's the right way to put it), I'm brand new to (editing) Wikipedia and wasn't sure how to start a discussion on the Talk page (and took me a while to realise how to reply here). You pretty much said it better and more succinctly than I could (as I am now demonstrating).

Maybe being a new user who made an edit threw up a red flag, but I'm not attacking the book, which seems to have good reviews, or the editor who wrote the text, who is probably just a fan of the book, I just like Wikipedia pages to be 'clean' and to the point and when reading this page thought that section seemed, as the consensus page puts it, "irrelevant and distracting".

What's the procedure regarding consensus? I'm not even sure if User:TypingInTheSky objects to my edit, or just thinks I should have posted here first. --Motiard (talk) 01:53, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Good questions, and Welcome! I think you've stated your case well. Let's let this sit for at least a few days so other editors can join in below and share their opinions. We can then see where it goes from there. As you seem to be aware, this isn't about "winning" or "losing" but about continually improving our articles. You actually need do nothing more! Editors following this discussion will sort out consensus and make any changes the group deems appropriate. Indeed, the process works best if you hang out and watch. Of course, if you think of any new reasons why this section shouldn't be included, please feel free to add those, too! Also, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. It's great to see new editors take an interest, and this article is certainly intriguing! Rklawton (talk) 02:06, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply and the welcome. Yeah, I don't mind just watching and waiting; I've only ever read articles before, so it's interesting to learn and see how Wikipedia works. Cheers. --Motiard (talk) 03:18, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I've belatedly just wandered by this article, months later, and cut the section as obviously inappropriate before noticing this talk page thread. The "getting to Petrov" idea is a nice theory, but unless the phrase has been widely adopted, it doesn't belong in his biography. --McGeddon (talk) 17:15, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Born in Odessa

In this personal interview he clearly states to be born near Vladivostok on outskirts of the USSR. 87.78.5.237 (talk) 02:31, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Death

Wikipedia articles in several other languages report that he died on May 19th 2017 already. Not sure if the info is absolutely conclusive at this point.

--77.179.66.148 (talk) 10:53, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

It's widely being reported by media outlets that he died today (September 18th 2017)

He did. RIP, Colonel Petrov. The world is a little less safe for your loss. RoninMacbeth (talk) 00:40, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Read the article... It says May 19. It just wasn't widely reported at the time and has been confirmed by his son. —DIYeditor (talk) 01:28, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry. RoninMacbeth (talk) 15:47, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

DOB

The NYT article cited in the article states that Petrov was born on 7 September, not 9 September. The RT article that had been used to cite the 9 September date did not appear to include that information (though I don't read or speak Russian), so I've changed it to 7 September 1939. Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 20:06, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Sept 2018 Miscellany

1. "would have reported a missile strike if they had been on his shift.[2]" I will correct this to "launch". 2. The article claims he had a "nervous breakdown". There is no such thing, despite the popular press of the 1970's and earlier using the euphemism. 3. The Incident section should be rewritten, it is very unclear. Where was he? When did it occur? Duty officer for WHAT? 4. "According to the Permanent Mission of the Russian Federation to the UN – on 19 January 2006, over 22 years after the incident – nuclear retaliation requires that multiple sources confirm an attack." What does a statement by someone in 2006 from the Russian Federation government have to do with the system that the USSR had in 1983??? Or did they say "nuclear retaliation required"? Certainly there shouldn't be any question that the Russian Federation, just like the old USSR, is NOT a reliable information source, especially when it comes to internal Kremlin matters.72.16.99.93 (talk) 06:42, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Incident

The section marked "Incident" doesn't give information about the incident, but only the follow-up. If nothing more than what is in the lede is necessary, then I suggest "Incident" be renamed "Follow-up to the incident" or some such. Or move the information from the lede to this section. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 00:42, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

100% agree. The "Incident" section is very confusing. It says nothing at the beginning about what the incident was. Should be rephrased. 2001:5A8:432C:5400:D0A2:59AD:A64D:977C (talk) 21:06, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

How's this? The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 21:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Daily Mail in August/September 1998

The German journalist Katja Banik resident in London at the time she reported the incident to Springer Press Berlin. It was published by the BILD-Zeitung snippetAs the source she referred an article published in the Daily Mail in August/September 1998 by a Moscow resident reporter named Ian Smith. The title of his story was: "How I saved the world and wrecked my life.". Is it possible to verify this source and have a scan of the article? --MaxxL (talk) 10:30, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Website about the father completed

http://sep1939.ru/ Dimitri Petrov created a website about his father with many photos, letters of thanks, documents, awards and the commemorative plaque in Oberhausen /Photo Mr. Schumacher. Can this website be linked here? Thank you very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C7:746:1A40:542A:55B0:BD24:1AF6 (talk) 19:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC) Why is nothing happening? I would like to put up for discussion whether this post is worth inserting or not. I am new here and have already had to listen to a lot of nasty words due to some beginner's mistakes. So, is the contribution something or is it not? I think the website that has been created is very informative. It is already part of the German site.--GrauerMoench (talk) 14:12, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Wife's last name not inflected for gender?

His wife's name is given as Raisa Petrov in the infobox, but in Russian culture, last names inflect for gender, taking a final -a in the nominative if the male-gendered ends in a consonant. See eg, Raisa Gorbacheva, Valentina Terekhova, or Valentina Tereshkova. Is there a reason her name shouldn't follow that convention?

 Done, thanks for pointing that out.Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 10:22, 28 February 2022 (UTC)