Talk:Stole (vestment)

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Hi there. This is a message for the person who put in the Catholic Encyclopedia link.

Thanks for putting it on. The article is very helpful, but please note that it really cannot be used to understand the current use of the Stole in the Catholic Church, since that article was actually written in 1912. Though for the most part the use is the same now as it was then, there are almost surely some changes since that article was written, particularly since we had the Council. One example, it used to be a rule for the Stole to be crossed over the priest's chest ( meant to keep the Cross near their hearts, though bishops were exempt from this as they had a Pectoral Cross). This of course is not the rule anymore, and it's just worn straight down for us Latins.

I really wish they'd update that Catholic Encyclopedia. My grandma turned 90 last year, and the Catholic Encyclopedia articles are even older than she is. A lot of the stuff is just obsolete.

I went ahead and changed the link info. I hope it's okay with you.

I changed the term "Eastern rites" to "Eastern churches." This is now the preferred terminology for those -- Catholic or Orthodox -- who follow the liturgical, theological and cultural traditions of Eastern Christianity.

I removed the erroneous reference to deacons wearing the "broad stole" during Advent and Lent. The 'broad stole," actually a pleated chasuble, is no longer used in the Roman Catholic Church. User:Ericstoltz

Not just Christian[edit]

The article currently mentions the likely original use of the stole as being Roman (and thus Pagan). It should be noted that Unitarians use them. Also, many modern pagans, wiccans, and other groups use stoles. Humanist ministers use them as well.--Daniel 19:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If such a thing were done it would be better to split the article and maintain cross references. Currently the article is about the Christian practice. 12.44.178.253 (talk) 22:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a strictly religious garb either. Members of the Tau Beta Pi engineering honor society wear a stole (pics) during commencement. ~MDD 46 96 01:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see we have an article already on the Academic stole. ~MDD 46 96 01:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it would be better to add the other religious uses onto this page, this page is for the stole used as a vestment. If it is intended to be for christianity only, then it should be moved to Stole (Christian Vestment) and we would need seperate pages for each. I have a source for the use of the Stole by Correllian Wiccans, if anyone else has sources, please add them here and I will add them to the article. Sephiroth storm (talk) 17:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to add, there is also stole (横被, ōhi), worn by (some) Japanese (and possibly Chinese) Buddhist monks. bamse (talk) 20:21, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stole Colour Conventions[edit]

I think that almost the whole section on "Symbolism and Colour" could be replaced with a link to the Liturgical Colours article, as it is largely redundant and not particular to the stole. The colour of the stole will usually match all other coloured vestements for any given occasion. This information does not apply specifically to stoles, but to vestements, paraments, and other liturgical decorations in general. PsalmChanta (talk) 07:07, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I accidently referred to the whole section on "Symbolism and Colour", when I meant to only refer to the introduction. Upon rereading the introduction to "Symbolism and Colour" I have decided to remove it because I believe it lacks citations, it reflects one (or several) person's opinions, and most of the information on the colour of stoles is better covered in the Liturgical Colours article. PsalmChanta (talk) 07:21, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Catholic ordination[edit]

OK, notice the stole on left shoulder for deacon, and crossed in front for a priest who is not a bishop. At ordination to the priesthood, a man would be a deacon just beforehand and then put the stole onto his right shoulder as well as part of the ceremony making him a priest. Carlm0404 (talk) 04:19, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]