Talk:Sweden/Archive 3

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Adding important historical event

I'm not sure whether it's a mistake or not, but in the infobox under the 'History' section, only four historical events are listed, these being:

• the unification of Sweden as a kingdom
• it being a part of the Kalmar Union
• part of the Swedish-Norwegian Union
• and their joining of the European Union

I believe these events do not represent the major significant historical events for Sweden as a nation-state. Sweden's War of Independence is probably the sole most significant event that has shaped Swedish history the most. I can only view it as a mistake that Swedish independence is not listed but that Sweden's role in transnational unions are. I don't understand why the Kalmar Union is listed, but not its final independence from it.

And finally, the National Day in Sweden which is celebrated annually, is celebrating our independence from the Kalmar Union.

Thank you. Verux2299 (talk) 11:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2022

Change twelve to twelfth under Economics 62.139.246.189 (talk) 22:22, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 00:17, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

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• National anthem of the Sweden.ogg

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Islam

Is Islam really at 3% because we have been hearing how Islam is nearly 8 to 10% Nlivataye (talk) 06:55, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

According to what source? TylerBurden (talk) 16:26, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

I guess conspiracy theories then lol Nlivataye (talk) 08:59, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

So you do not have any reliable sources to back up the claim, this isn't a forum for discussion or speculation. TylerBurden (talk) 16:24, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Nature

@TylerBurden: "Sweden has a nature" seems unnatural, in particular the indefinite article "a" does not seem to apply to nature in this definition. It is indivisible. See Merriam-Webster's definitions:

1 : the external world in its entirety
2 : natural scenery

The former is not something Sweden can have one of, i.e. it exists everywhere, so "a" does not fit. The latter is not countable either for other reasons.

Therefore I suggest that either my modified wording should be returned or some other wording should be found. (The MOS:OVERLINK thing is, however, valid; we need not link "nature".) CharredShorthand (talk) 03:02, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

@CharredShorthand Sorry for the slow response, my time on Wikipedia has been spent on catching up on my watchlist after some time off. I actually disagreed with the other changes in that paragraph more, "numerous" seems a bit overkill and it seemed a bit repetitive in terms of the word "Sweden", but I don't oppose your suggestion of "Nature in Sweden is".

So if you agree, my suggestion is "Nature in Sweden is dominated by forests and many lakes". TylerBurden (talk) 01:54, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, will do. CharredShorthand (talk) 01:56, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Sweden sq km

Sweden has been 450,000 sq Km something; now it's around 447,000 sq Km. Has it lost around 3,000 sq Km or leased to any neighboring country that I don't know of? Nlivataye (talk) 11:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

The edit in question says that the government agency has changed how it calculates the area. There is a source cited which is Swedish by default but can be changed to English in the top right, after which you have to press some buttons and it's painfully slow.

Strangely, I actually cannot replicate @Adamhr37's results; when I try myself to get the total area of Sweden in square kilometers from that source I see "528 860.72" as the result. That's of course neither the original value nor the new value. Anyone know what's up? CharredShorthand (talk) 15:03, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

SCB, Sweden's official bureau of statistics, stated in a footnote on their site:

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Between 2012 and 2018 the sum of the area figures on municipality level does not match the figures on county level due to enclaves that couldn’t be referred to a municipality. From 2019 all enclaves have been referred to a municipality.

2019

New measurements from the Swedish Mapping Agency (Lantmäteriet) has led to adjustments of the territorial border in the sea 2019. This means that from 2019 the sea water area has increased compared to previous years.

2021

When calculating the 2021 statistics, adjustments have been made in register data regarding inland waters in and around one of the four largest lakes (Lake Mälaren). It affects the statistics for the municipalities of Stockholm (0180), Håbo (0305), Enköping (0381) and Eskilstuna (0484), as well as the counties of Stockholm (01), Uppsala (03) and Södermanland (04). At the national level, the difference is negligible.

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Also on top of that, the data that has changed is how the seawater between the coast and the territorial border is calculated. Sweden's surface area excluding the seawater is 447,425 km² and including the seawater it is 528,860 km².

Until 2018 the seawater area was calculated to 81 014 km² but was from 2019 changed to 81 435 km².

I hope this cleared some things up. If you have any questions just ask! // Adamhr37 (talk) 21:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Makes sense, thanks. CharredShorthand (talk) 01:57, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2023

Remove DSB in transport because since 11 december 2022 Skånetrafiken took over responsibility for the traffic up to Copenhagen H/Østerport.

https://www.skanetrafiken.se/nyhetsarkiv/osterport/ Gattswe (talk) 09:44, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done TylerBurden (talk) 11:34, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2023

Add the Royal Anthem:

The Royal Anthem of Sweden

. Also wanted to add subtitle to it. Ikmatt (talk) 19:00, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 19:17, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2023

Under the section religion, it says "At the end of 2018, 57.7% of Swedes belonged to the Church of Sweden; this number had been decreasing by about 1.5 percentage points a year for the previous seven years and one percentage point a year on average for the previous two decades."

According to official statistics from the Church of Sweden, 52.2% were members by the end of 2022. I therefore suggest changing to:

"At the end of 2022, 52.8% of Swedes belonged to the Church of Sweden; this number has been decreasing by 1-2% each year since 2001."

Source: https://www.svenskakyrkan.se/filer/1374643/Medlemmar%20i%20Svenska%20kyrkan%201972-2022.pdf

/2023-04-15 31.209.52.134 (talk) 07:08, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

 Done Actualcpscm (talk) 11:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Edit request: found the missing citation, 25 July 2011

I found the citation that is missing under the education section, 3rd paragraph, in the part that talks about tertiary education:

https://www.tilastokeskus.fi/artikkelit/2006/art_2006-07-06_001.html

I found this citation source in the article about Finland, which discussed a similar set of statistics about its own tertiary education system.

Thanks!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.237.212.142 (talk) 09:04, 25 July 2011‎ (UTC)

Swedish 2017 GDP has reviewed

The recent GDP per capita checked at US $51,744 per person in a month. I've changed the data based on World Bank forum centre with a great effort. KaplanAL (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2017 (Western Indonesia Time)

Edit request 26 July 2021

The Culture section currently contains the following paragraph:

"Throughout the 1960s and 1970s Sweden was seen as an international leader in what is now referred to as the "sexual revolution", with gender equality having particularly been promoted.[322] The early Swedish film I Am Curious (Yellow) (1967) reflected a liberal view of sexuality, including scenes of love making that caught international attention, and introduced the concept of the "Swedish sin" that had been introduced earlier in the US with Ingmar Bergman's Summer with Monika."

Please consider re-writing this paragraph because of the following issues:

- "I Am Curious (Yellow)" is a 1967 film, so it cannot be described as an "early" film. The "Swedish" description is also superfluous.

- "I Am Curious (Yellow)" is a 1967 film, so it cannot introduce a concept that had already been introduced in a 1953 film ("Summer with Monika").

- "Swedish Sin" is a US concept that was imposed on "Summer with Monika" by its US promoter and other US commentators. Whether it was actually a part of Swedish culture is therefore debatable (it may have been a part of a foreign view of that culture, but that's not the same thing). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 21:45, 26 July 2021 (talk)

Mistake in the article "Administrative division"

There is a misprint in the sentence: "...are both local government BUR have different". Xnemecxxx (talk) 08:46, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Typo fixed, thanks for pointing it out. TylerBurden (talk) 00:27, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Adjusting/shortening the introduction

I would suggest shortening the introduction especially the history and nature part. It is a bit too long and it seems quite cluttered compared to other countries wikipedia pages. Does anyone have an objection to such an adjustment? Or have a suggestion to how it should look? Policynerd3212 (talk) 16:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 September 2023

Miniature update, based on the linked article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population the 86th next to population in the popup box is no longer accurate, it should list 87th. LadislavLouka (talk) 07:48, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Elli (talk | contribs) 16:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Discussion regarding immigration section which has been repeatedly deleted by TylerBurden

The immigration section which contains important and relevant information regarding the demographics of Sweden as well as contribution from several users has repeatedly been by deleted by TylerBurden - without gaining consensus.

I have restored this section, as I don't see any reason as to why this is not relevant information to maintain on the main page. Sweden has received hundred of thousands of immigrants in a very short time span. According to Statistics Sweden, over 2 million of Sweden’s inhabitants which is 20% of the population, are born abroad. This is significant and has changed the political landscape, culture and demographics in a major way. I would certainly argue that is very important to the country.

TylerBurden Please refrain from deleting this section unless you gain consensus to delete the section. Policynerd3212 (talk) 19:04, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Policynerd3212 The massive section was removed for several reasons, for one there is already a Demographics section covering the topic of immigration, there is an entire article on the topic Immigration to Sweden (that readers can find as a link in the relevant section even on this article). The section also contained WP:SYNTH issues and WP:OR, both policy violations. WP:ONUS clearly states the burden is on those who seek to include content on articles, which is you. You are throwing numerous personal attacks at me and deforming my user page, all the while maintaining your purpose as an WP:SPA, which appears to be to add WP:UNDUE content about how horribly criminal and full of immigrants Sweden is. You may notice there is a "too long" tag on the top of the article, it was added precisely because instead of going in depth on a general article, for articles such as this in depth coverage are more suitable as individual articles. Obviously immigration to Sweden is a big topic, so it makes perfect sense why it would be covered on its own article, rather than shoehorned into the main article when there is already content covering it more succinctly. Your policy violations and edit warring are doing nothing to improve the article, and you have zero consensus. TylerBurden (talk) 05:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Agree way to much details for a overview article Wikipedia:Too much detail Moxy- 05:29, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Again, you could make this argument for any section but the religious section can be trimmed. The Eurobarometer stuff from 2010 can go Tweedle (talk) 13:12, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

By that logic all the sections in this main article of Sweden are irrelevant and should be deleted. Nearly all of the sections are longer than the section regarding immigration and there are also entire articles containing information regarding these for example 'recent history',"modern history", "foreign relations" etc. - Should all these sections also be completely deleted without explanation? @Moxy@TylerBurden

If not, why are they different from the immigration section apart from the fact that you seem to want to hide this information on a lesser visited site? @TylerBurden Just as you deleted the crime section. Policynerd3212 (talk) 07:57, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Agree with keeping the section, the information is important and its relevance is poignant. Most country pages to my knowledge atleast discusses the topic of immmigration/foreign origin (France, Italy, Norway) (albeit I understand this is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). You could trim down it largelly though. I would keep (alongside the graphic):

In recent centuries the country has been transformed from a nation of net emigration, ending after World War I, to a nation of net immigration, from World War II onwards. In recent years the country has received a massive influx of refugees and immigrants mainly due to the Syrian war. Sweden received more refugees per capita in 2013 than any other OECD country. In 2015 alone a record-breaking 163.000 people applied for asylum to a country of barely 10 million people. In 2022 one in five people (2.145.674) in Sweden were born abroad.

There are no exact numbers on the ethnic background of migrants and their descendants in Sweden because the Swedish government does not base any statistics on ethnicity. This is, however, not to be confused with the migrants' national backgrounds, which are recorded. Immigrants in Sweden are mostly concentrated in the urban areas of Svealand and Götaland. In 2022, just over 102.000 persons immigrated to Sweden. This was an increase compared with 2020 and 2021, but the number was lower than the years before 2020. The immigration is expected to decrease in the next few years but is estimated to just over 100.000 per year in the long-term. Tweedle (talk) 13:11, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Again there is already a section covering demographics where immigration is covered, even the "recent history" covers the aspect of immigration, as well as obviously the link to the main article where in depth coverage is appropriate. To create another entire section is repetitious and undue, and does the opposite of solving the article's length issue. Policynerd has made it clear that content building along Wikipedia guidelines isn't the goal here, they simply want to plaster their content where they perceive most people will see it, that is why they are not happy with working on the topic specific articles of the content and POV they are pushing. "Important and poignant" therefore doesn't seem convincing, the latter being frankly an odd choice of words. TylerBurden (talk) 08:47, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

@TylerBurden I must have missed that sentence, my bad. I could not care less what Policynerd does or wants, we have already been through this before, so why are you attaching this onto me? I still believe the graphic should be kept at the least. Tweedle (talk) 11:44, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't mean to attach anything to you, I am just letting you know who you are "agreeing" with as well as generally responding to their rant above. What graph are you talking about specifically? TylerBurden (talk) 12:06, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes I understand you, that's fine. The graph is this one which was present on there before being removed but perhaps this one would be better to demonstrate the extent of foreign origin. Tweedle (talk) 16:55, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not really opposed to adding it assuming it is placed appropriately, which would likely be the demographics section. The section already has some images but it might fit on the left hand side? It would obviously also need a clear caption on what definition of "foreign" is being used. TylerBurden (talk) 09:25, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Double checked the %'s given on it when I did it, It is all those who were Foreign born + Born in Sweden to two foreign born parents. I have changed the description on the file itself and submitted a name request on it for a rename to demonstrate more clearly but the caption can be:

Percentage of the population which is foreign born and born to two foreign born parents in Swedish counties in 2021.

Tweedle (talk) 10:35, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

That makes sense. TylerBurden (talk) 10:55, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Still hasn't been updated with a proper immigration section and the deletion of the crime section is seemingly increasingly out of touch. The violent crime is rising exponentially. The prime minister Ulf Kristersson has put in the military in the fight against gang-violence, as children and women are being killed. More information can be found here on Financial Times. https://www.ft.com/content/6b470a3a-178b-4f9a-95af-2d4a59b4c982

Just in 2023 nearly 70 people have been killed already. Explosions left right and center. How is this not relevant to mention? 25% of the population is now foreign born.

Sweden is the only country in Europe that has these problems. It is a significant part of Swedish reality. Why is not mentioned if not to censor an inconvenient truth? Policynerd3212 (talk) 18:16, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 September 2023

Sweden has 5 official national minorities. They are the Jews, Roma, Sami, Swedish Finns and Tornedalers. Add this to the demographics section.

https://sweden.se/life/equality/swedens-national-minorities

https://minorityrights.org/country/sweden/ 103.164.138.55 (talk) 22:34, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Infobox change

I propose that in the history section of the infobox that the independence of Sweden be added seeing that it is probably the most important event in the modern history of Sweden, even more important that that of being part of the ”Swedish-Norwegian Union”. The date of independence is also celebrated as the national day in Sweden, while the Swedish-Norwegian union is barely known in Sweden and is only briefly mentioned in elementary school if even that. Sebmg16 (talk) 13:51, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

France has a higher tax percentage of GDP than Sweden - so do some other countries.

In the article it is claimed that only Denmark has a higher tax as a percentage of GDP level than Sweden, this is not true as France and some other countries also have a higher tax as a percentage of GDP level than Sweden. The idea that Sweden is an exceptionally high tax country is out of date. 2A02:C7C:E183:AC00:F983:2396:697:CC50 (talk) 12:42, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Why does this article have extended-confirmed-protection on it?

I'm just curious. MisterN1C022 (talk) 14:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

There was an intractable, long-term edit war involving non-EC user Policynerd3212 (talk · contribs). The log entry seems to reference a WP:AN3 report that does not exist. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:17, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. MisterN1C022 (talk) 17:58, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

If you're still curious, the relevant ANEW report seems to be Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive452#User:Policynerd3212 reported by User:TylerBurden (Result: Blocked). Liu1126 (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. MisterN1C022 (talk) 00:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 January 2024

So that I can fix grammar mistakes Nadinoda (talk) 11:14, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 11:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC)