Talk:Tbilisi Spiritual Seminary

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Ia this article about the Tbilisi Theological Seminary or Joseph Stalin?[edit]

The reference to Stalin (or any other student/teacher of the seminary) does not belong in the first paragraph about Tbilisi Theological Seminary. If deemed important as an explanation about the seminary, it could be argued to mention Stalin in a subheading. IMHO it belongs under Stalin. Hskoppek (talk) 19:20, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 April 2024[edit]

It has been proposed in this section that Tbilisi Spiritual Seminary be renamed and moved to Tbilisi Theological Seminary.

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Tbilisi Spiritual Seminary → Tbilisi Theological Seminary – The institution's own website uses uses Tbilisi Theological Academy and Seminary. Most sources seem to use "Theological" (see Google books for "Tiflis Theological Seminary", or high-quality sources like Brill's Encyclopedia of Islam (which inexplicably talks about Christian seminaries in Tiflis in some detail! Available on the Wikipedia library if you want to check.). More generally, "Spiritual" is an awkward, literal translation that isn't that accurate to idiomatic English usage. It's a seminary for learning theology, not a monastery. There are a few sources that use "Spiritual" in GBooks ([1]), but they drop off the front page quickly from ~5 or so hits, and many are books written in the past decade when the Wikipedia article was at "spiritual" and may have simply trusted the Wikipedia usage.

One complication is that the institution is most notable when the city was known as "Tiflis" in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and the article was originally created under the "Tiflis" name in 2013. Given that there is a successor institution, it seems reasonable to use the modern name of the successor institution, though, even if there's fewer sources on the contemporary era. But I wouldn't be totally opposed to "Tiflis Theological Seminary" as a backup option. SnowFire (talk) 17:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 21:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural note: Article was originally created in 2013 under the name "Tiflis Spiritual Seminary", was moved a few months later to "Tbilisi Spiritual Seminary", was moved in 2022 to "Tbilisi Theological Seminary" (what I'm recommending above), and was moved back to the current title in 2023. I do not believe the 2023 move back should be given any procedural weight as it was requested at RM/TM by a sockpuppet of a banned account (An Eastern Man). Pinging all those involved in previous moves for input: @Aronlee90, Jaqeli, Чръный человек, and Amakuru: SnowFire (talk) 17:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy, WikiProject Georgia (country), WikiProject Higher education, and WikiProject Russia have been notified of this discussion. ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 21:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

support - saw this relisting from the wikiproject talk page; i agree with the nominating comment here. i think either Tbilisi or Tiflis would be fine here. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 22:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. I note that the Google ngram viewer has results for Tbilisi Theological Seminary but does not find anything for Tbilisi Spiritual Seminary. Tiflis Theological Seminary actually has more hits on the ngram viewer than Tbilisi, but this seems likely to reflect historical usage (possibly related to its most famous alumnus) rather than the current common name. Robminchin (talk) 16:16, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]