Talk:Teenage Dream (Katy Perry album)/Archive 2

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Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)

Track #2 charted at #67 on the Billboard Hot 100 with the release of the album. You should mention this.109.110.96.5 (talk) 10:53, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi, just changed the peak of this song in Australia to number 6. Check the ARIA website if you have any problems with this. You may also need to change the reference but i'm not sure. Muthamonster (talk) 10:28, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Original album name

I dont know if its relevant to the article but Katy originally wanted to call the album "Teenage Wet Dream", but she was rejected. "Perry revealed that she originally wanted to name her record 'Teeanage Wet Dream,' but the idea was unfortunately nixed. Despite the rejected album name,... Source --Tomcatpurry (talk) 08:55, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm that's not really a reliable source. Yves (talk) 16:28, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
I had doubts too Yves. Though it is owned by AOL, it is a gossip website. Novice7 (talk) 16:30, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
I also have a source from Billboard.com. Perry introduced the title track by saying in her girliest voice, "I really wanted to call this album 'Teenage Wet Dream.' " Source I think its reliable enough and it fits that PopEater review quite well.(btw I wouldnt really call that popeater article a gossip, its more like a listening party review, even if its not considered as a reliable source) --Tomcatpurry (talk) 04:46, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Do you think she actually did, though? Or is she just saying that as a joke / just for fun? That's kinda the impression I'm getting from that... Yves (talk) 04:55, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Heard to tell. She is quite a jokester, so she could be kidding, or she could have been serious. Since we don't know for sure, I don't think it really needs to be mentioned here. ℥nding·start 02:51, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

"Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F)" To Be Released as 5th Single

The 5th single from the album has been announced as "Last Friday Night," but no release date has yet been given. http://idolator.com/5844642/katy-perry-last-friday-night http://neonlimelight.com/2011/05/03/katy-perry-gets-nerdy-on-last-friday-night-tgif-single-cover/ http://www.omgmusic.com/news/katy-perry-gets-her-geek-on-for-last-friday-night-cover-art http://popdash.com/news/4911/katy-perry-sports-geek-look-for-last-friday-night-cover http://www.starobserver.com.au/celebrity-2/2011/05/03/katy-goes-for-five/51071 One of these has to be somewhat reliable.

The artwork from the remix EP has also been released. I believe you should add the song to the list of singles now, regardless of the lack of a release date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.28.105.66 (talk) 22:28, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

That would be a breach of WP:CRYSTAL. Until there is a release date its not a single. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 22:59, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Peacock

Is Peacock going to be the 6th single? Muthamonster (talk) 08:07, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Could be. Until we have official word from her label, or a reliable source. It cannot be included because of speculation.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 08:09, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Australia

TD is 3x Platinum in Australia. source= ARIA Please change it =) ! --79.199.60.37 (talk) 16:03, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Is there a source changing this from 2x to 3x? This page still has it listed at 2x. Jnorton7558 (talk) 01:16, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Not Like The Movies

Not Like The Movies was listed as the 6th single and I decided to take it down because there was no reliable sources or no word from the label, is there any reliable sources that say it will be released so we could possibly re-add it? --Jakeriederer (talk) 03:47, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Dwright230, 25 August 2011

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Dwright230 (talk) 02:41, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a source for this? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 02:53, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Anyone working on page for The One That Got Away?

It's going to be the sixth single

See here:

http://www.billboard.com/#/news/katy-perry-s-sixth-teenage-dream-single-1005351222.story Peterbrabel (talk) 03:47, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:NSONGS, the only notable on it is that it exists. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:55, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

"The One That Got Away" definitely needs to be its own article, since the new Rihanna song, which hasn't even been comfirmed by her. It hasn't charted or even mentioned by Rihanna, so why does that get to have its own page, but yet a song that has been confirmed by Katy herself and exists doesn't even have its own page...?

If Rihanna has a page of a non-notable song, it is not our business. Never use the argument "It exists there, then it should here too", just because it exists doesn't mean that it is a) correct or b) approved by the policies and guidelines. If it doesn't pass the mininal criteria of notability it won't be created. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 17:30, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

The article says that she's had 5 number 1 singles from the album on the Canadian Hot 100 charts - she only had 4 - Teenage Dream (the title track) only made number 2 - how do I correct this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.29.103.64 (talk) 19:38, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

This was not protected because users seem not to agree it was released as a single, it was protected because it didn't chart yet, and thus didn't meet WP:SONGS, but now it has officially charted in Australia. Nobody ever said that it's not a single, it is a single, go see the revision history on the page, the only reason it kept getting redirected to it's parent album, is because it didn't chart at the time, but now it has officially charted in Australia, and has been announced via numerous sources that it's the sixth single from Teenage Dream and it deserves its own page. Here are some sources: Katy Perry's official website announces it as a single Billboard.com announces it as a single. Prettybeautifulnailsalon (talk) 14:19, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

The Complete Confection

Please add March 23 for the German release of The Complete Confection! http://www.amazon.de/Teenage-Dream-Confection-Katy-Perry/dp/B006XBSAP2/ref=sr_1_48?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1330136603&sr=1-48 --79.199.48.134 (talk) 02:25, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: If you will work out the change needed to insert this row into the table, I will insert it for you. Celestra (talk) 02:51, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Editing request: Production credits on "Part Of Me"

"Part Of Me" was not produced by Dr. Luke & Cirkut, but by Dr. Luke & Max Martin. I just received the Promo-CD from the UK and it says so on the sleeve. Please someone edit. Thx. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.97.135.156 (talk) 13:33, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Typo Correction Requested - 54th Grammys Date Incorrect

In the Promotion section of the article, it currently states: "Promotion The Complete Confection began with a live performance of the album's lead single, "Part of Me" with "E.T." on February 13, 2011, at the 54th Grammy Awards ceremony." This should read: "Promotion The Complete Confection began with a live performance of the album's lead single, "Part of Me" with "E.T." on February 13, 2012, at the 54th Grammy Awards ceremony." The year was simply incorrectly typed by the original contributor. Mhchu (talk) 20:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Belgian chart position

Please add No. 52 for the Flemish and No. 48 for the Wallonish chart position of the re-release! http://www.ultratop.be/en/showitem.asp?interpret=Katy+Perry&titel=Teenage+Dream%3A+The+Complete+Confection&cat=a --79.199.56.184 (talk) 13:25, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

And No. 63 for the Netherlands! --79.199.56.184 (talk) 19:05, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 20:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

And No. 18 for France http://www.chartsinfrance.net/actualite/news-79002.html --79.199.43.154 (talk) 16:38, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 18:27, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

The re-release reached new positions in both Belgian parts: No. 40 for Flanders and No. 39 for Wallonia, please add them, too! http://www.ultratop.be/fr/showitem.asp?interpret=Katy+Perry&titel=Teenage+Dream%3A+The+Complete+Confection&cat=a --79.199.29.224 (talk) 12:55, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done mabdul 07:51, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

And another new peak: No. 29 in Flanders and No. 61 in the Netherlands... Please add that one, too! http://www.ultratop.be/NL/showitem.asp?interpret=Katy+Perry&titel=Teenage+Dream%3A+The+Complete+Confection&cat=a --79.199.41.147 (talk) 15:16, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:20, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

And No. 17 in Australia http://australian-charts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=Katy+Perry&titel=Teenage+Dream%3A+The+Complete+Confection&cat=a Please change that one, too! --79.199.52.3 (talk) 17:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 19:14, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Please change the Flemish chart position to No. 14 http://www.ultratop.be/nl/showitem.asp?interpret=Katy+Perry&titel=Teenage+Dream%3A+The+Complete+Confection&cat=a ! --79.199.37.170 (talk) 16:35, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

28 Million Single Sales?

Well guys, here are the sales of the singles in US: California Gurls: 5,000,000-5,040,000 Teenage Dream: 4,003,000-4,030,000 Firework: 5,075,000-5,200,000 E.T.:5,000,000-5,045,000 Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.):3,000,000-3,045,000 The One That Got Away:2,000,000-2,010 TOTAL:25,000,000(Aprox.) It is the album with most multi-certified singles. Also if 25 million are sold in one counrtry, then I think that it would be more than 30 million worldwide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amanmohd2105 (talk • contribs) 12:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Teenage Dream NOT tied with Rhythm Nation 1814

The article states "...only one of three albums to have six or more top-five singles from one album on Billboard Hot 100 chart, tied with Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814..." Rhythm Nation had SEVEN top-five singles, therefore Teenage Dream is not TIED with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forsythfatcat (talk • contribs) 02:44, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

You're right, Teenage Dream had 8 top fives, one more than Janet did.--(CA)Giacobbe (talk) 16:52, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Not quite. Teenage Dream had six ("Part of Me" and "Wide Awake" do not count as they are part of The Complete Confection), whereas Rhythm Nation had seven. Teenage Dream had "California Gurls," "Teenage Dream," "Firework," "E.T.," "Last Friday Night," and "The One That Got Away". Rhythm Nation 1814 had "Miss You Much," "Rhythm Nation," "Escapade," "Alright," "Black Cat," "Come Back to Me," and "Love Will Never Do (Without You)". Teenage Dream = 6. Rhythm Nation = 7. The language saying they are tied is very misleading, as Janet has the lead. Eliot (talk) 02:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Although number ones are counted separately, top 10's are treated from the same album. Just as how TDCC is not a sesperate album, they are combined.--(CA)Giacobbe (talk) 02:20, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Would you mind posting a Billboard source for that? I'm not familiar with that policy.75.236.12.21 (talk) 19:06, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


Here it is guys: http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat/ask-billboard-can-katy-perry-top-michael-1006185152.story#/column/chartbeat/ask-billboard-can-katy-perry-top-michael-1006185152.story — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.98.234.217 (talk) 20:55, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Teenage Dream & The Complete Confection Singles

Despite all of the songs being part of the Teenage Dream era, I think the singles should be split up. I was thinking an area for Teenage Dream and then another area for the bonus singles from The Complete Confection. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 01:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Genre

The citation for the genre in the infobox is not correct. The genre is not described in two terms as it is in that citation (we are supposed to separate genres by commas either way. The only time they are describing that said genre, they are actually discussing Madonna in the article, not Katy Perry or even her album. It should be removed and replaced with a more specific citation like I had originally edited it with allmusic. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:26, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

The source says "She showed up as a nubile vixen, writhing suggestively on a gondola, biting her thumb and squeaking out then-shocking, now-quaint sexual urges over some highly manufactured disco pop. Which is all Perry is doing" They wouldn't have put disco-pop in there if they weren't classifying Teenage Dream as such. It's hard for a reviewer to just say "this album is a whatever-genre" so it's all about the wording of the sentence. They're saying Teenage Dream does all these things, and disco-pop is included in that. Allmusic generally classifies white pop female singers as Pop/Rock. For example, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, and Katy are all classified under this tag, yet they all make vastly different music. Gaga is electropop, Rihanna is EDM/R&B, and Katy is disco-oriented. Yet they all are tagged under the same thing. It's exactly what iTunes does, which is just shove them under a general category.--(CA)Giacobbe (talk) 21:41, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
That's not as strong as the allmusic source though. Since the "style" tags were taken away on the other Katy Perry album, I don't think the above is as strong either. Yes it's hard to find an album or review, but when you can't find specifics we should keep it general. Honestly, if we can't agree I think it'd be best to leave it blank and let the article explain the genres itself, which an article as strong as this already does very very well. Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:59, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Just as another note you say they all make vastly different music which may be true for you, but on wikipedia we have go by reliable sources, not our own opinions. You have to find some more specific sources and just because you don't like the one I've found, we are just going one to one. Your genre doesn't have a definition and mine does as well which gives mine a bit more weight. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:28, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
I'd also like to note that before it was mentioned that "Music style" wasn't specific as it was to genre, but if you click that link, it re-directs to music genre, so I think it's perfectly acceptable to cite the "styles" section of allmusic as genres, I can't find anything to suggest they are that widely different. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:34, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

If there is no follow-up to this, I'd think the best route would be to either a) leave it blank and let the article discuss the genres, b) leave disco-pop but not wikilink it as we don't have have a definition for said genre nor does it's re-direct mention it as an alternate name. c) return to the allmusic citations with per above, I think should be fine whether they say genre or style as music style on wikipedia re-directs to music genre. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

I think leaving it blank is a good idea, the composition section and lead explain the album, there's no need to pigeonhole it into the infobox. --(CA)Giacobbe (talk) 22:59, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Glad we agree! The article doesn't sum up the album, but I think everyone will get an idea of what it sounds like from the prose. In all honesty, I wish they would remove genre from the infobox as information that is a lot less less up to interpretation (in comparison to things like album length, or producers etc. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:35, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah I agree, especially in todays music market where you have like 6 different genres on an album, and then all those songs are influenced by other genres!--(CA)Giacobbe (talk) 02:46, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Can't more than one genre be listed? Obviously, pop, rock, dance, and electronic would all fit, and are listed on Katy Perry's main page. I would also list Christian, because the song "Who Am I Living For" can be considered a Christian song. I don't want to add these genres if nobody agrees. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.17.157 (talk) 09:47, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Splitting the article?

I was looking through the article recently, and it appears to be quite long compared to other album articles. Might it be a good idea to split The Complete Confection into its own article, like the way Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded and The Re-Up are now separated? It takes up a good chunk of the article, and giving them their own articles might bring each one down to an appropriate size. (And yes, I am aware that The Complete Confection is not a separate album.) WikiRedactor (talk) 18:36, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. The original proposal was only supported by the nominator, and the rest of the responses were mixed between "Oppose," "Move to Teenage Dream (album)," and "Oppose moving to Teenage Dream (album)." (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 02:28, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: Katy's album is far more notable than any other listing on that page, receiving several times more Wikipedia views than the other articles and more more hits on Google. WikiRedactor (talk) 17:17, 13 April 2013 (UTC) WikiRedactor (talk) 17:17, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Probably oppose - question: the album receives how many more times views than the other 5 albums and 12 songs including Teenage Dream (Marc Bolan song) Teenage Dream (Katy Perry song) totalled? 1.5x, 10x? Could this be due to WP:RECENT? In ictu oculi (talk) 00:22, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
    • Katy's album got 183,708 hits in the last 90 days, while the Marc Bolan song got 1997 and the IQU remix album got 514. The way I saw it was that if any of the other albums had any significant notabilty they would have articles. Perhaps recentism is partially the case, but then again this album also broke some big records that also contribute to its notability. WikiRedactor (talk) 00:52, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. I have to agree. There's a difference between WP:RECENTISM and a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; this article is the latter.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 02:47, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Move to Teenage Dream (album) per MOS:ALBUM. "Teenage dream" is an ambiguous term. While the album should not lose its parenthetical disambiguation, perhaps more conciseness is necessary. --George Ho (talk) 02:53, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Rename to Teenage Dream (album) per George. I oppose making the album the primary topic of just "Teenage Dream". A Google search of teenage dream brings up a rough equal mixture of both Perry's album and her song. With those conflicting stats, it seems that the Wikipedia page views are more skewed to recentism. It also skews the page views, in terms of web usability, when the link to the album on the Teenage Dream disambig page is at the top when the link to her song is buried in the middle of the page, so of course users wanting to look at information on Perry's work would most likely go to the article on the album first. And of course, if you go offline to most radio stations across the U.S. and elsewhere, they play her song, not her full album. And when you have many news sources that refer to Perry as the "Teenage Dream singer", like this news article, more often than not, it is ambiguous if they are referring to her song, her album, or both in general. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Move to Teenage Dream (album), per George. The song is likely to be as popular as the song, but IQU album is not. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:18, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
  • strong oppose the Katy Perry song and associated video is much more likely than the album. And if this isn't going to be the primary topic of "Teenage Dream" then the article should be properly disambiguated, not ambiguously disambiguated, so the album article should not be moved at all WP:NCM. -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 05:15, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
    Ironically Wikipedia:NCM#Disambiguation_2 contradicts with WP:MOSALBUM, how can be possible the WikiProject Music cannot be coherent? Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 05:19, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now, maybe there should be an RFC on this if the guidelines are unclear or contradict. There was no consensus at Talk:Erotica (Madonna album)#Requested move, and if consensus is clear here, more than just local consensus, then that discussion should be reopened based on it. Peter James (talk) 11:44, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose - because this is not the only album with this name, nor the only article general. Why are you requesting for everything to be moved?  — AARON • TALK 23:13, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose - per Calvin999. Existence of Teenage Dream (IQU album) per WP:PRECISION overrides edit history at WP:MOSALBUM and WP:LOCALCONSENSUS regarding (Katy Perry album) proposal. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:51, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment: Straight from the MOS: If there is a primary album, such as Thriller (album), then that would get the primary (album) disambiguation, and only the secondary albums, Thriller (Eddie and the Hot Rods album) or Thriller (Lambchop album) need be disambiguated by band. WikiRedactor (talk) 20:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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8 top 3 singles

I'd research this. Rhythm nation didn't even have eight singles released on Billboard Hot 100. Alright wasn't top 3. dnsla23 05:12, 1 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Replace Hot 100 with 200

Teenage Dream become the album with most weeks spent on the Billboard Hot 100. In total, Teenage Dream's singles spent 225 weeks consecutive on the Billboard Hot 100, breaking the previous record of Michael Jackson's Thriller singles with 130 weeks on chart

The Hot 100 is the singles chart. You mean the Billboard 200. That is the album chart. dnsla23 05:17, 1 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: no move. -- tariqabjotu 20:43, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

– The previous proposal failed to reach a consensus four months ago, so I would like to take the opportunity to revisit this case. I stand by my original reasoning that this album is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the term, and additionally has significantly higher page views than any article listed on the disambiguation. In response to the concern that the title track could be the primary topic, a Google search of "Katy Perry Teenage Dream album" pulled in 856,000 results, compared to 90,200 for "Katy Perry Teenage Dream song". Not to mention the fact that the album was released three years ago, and is no longer subject to news spikes that would likely affect WP:RECENTISM. WikiRedactor (talk) 21:26, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Support: Although I agree with you, I think that since both the song and the album are primary topics, it should be Teenage Dream (album) and Teenage Dream (song). But I can see a case against that as well, but either way I support the move.(CA)Giacobbe (talk) 00:02, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose in the first place, the song and associated video is more prominent than the album. In the second place, it is still WP:RECENTISM; Thirdly, the broad concept is covered by puppy love, so that may be more appropriate. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:10, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose - sorry WikiRedactor but this is one of the weakest of many RMs to ambiguate a song/album title that has been presented by editors at WP:RM in the last few months. For the 2 reasons given by 76.65.128.222, and (inadvertently) by the support reason of Giacobbe, per WP:PDAB. Highly generic title, Teenage Dream is not just about Teenage Dream (Marc Bolan song), but Google Books has various others such as Teenage Dream (Terry Dene song) 1957 competing with the two recent Katy Perry articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:22, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose. No primary topic. --Michig (talk) 06:05, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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Templates disabling VisualEditor

Hi everyone, please notice that some bugs which caused the new editor to mess up with tables and some infobox deletions were recently fixed. As a result, some instances of these templates were removed from articles featuring them (i.e. some pages about airports). Can someone please make sure that there is no need for those templates anymore on this page, and remove them? Thanks! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 16:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

This article was still triggering a bug due to bad syntax which has now been fixed. ed g2s • talk 19:34, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
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