Talk:The KLF/Archive 4

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Article Image

Why is the main image for this article a photo of Bill Drummond ? Surely one of the duo would be better. King dumb (talk) 00:25, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

The Userbox

It would be nice if the "This user knows what time is love" userbox have included the category and the link "The KLF fans" or something like this, in the footer of userpages. So that the category would automatically collect the list.--Kochas 23:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Link this?

Found this site on the web http://www.thesoundof.mu

Does anybody know what this "upcoming documentation" is about? 84.58.178.90 20:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Nope. Presumably unofficial, let's just wait and see. Grab the MP3 while you can though! --kingboyk 20:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of their back catalogue

What exactly does it mean for an artist to "delete" their back catalog? Does it mean it is now in the public domain? Does it mean it's no longer in print? (I think it means something much stronger than this.) Also, I'm listening to The White Room right now on rhapsody.com, so I don't understand what it really means to delete a back catalog. I think this should be clarified in the article, as I think many readers don't really know what it means. Thanks. --Rajah 04:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I thought "deletion" of a catalogue was fairly widely understood, but perhaps not! :) I'll have a think about adding a note on it's meaning. In the meantime, it means simply that the records aren't available in the shops any more. THey have been "deleted from the catalogue". The copyright in those recordings remains with their owners (indeed they must get paid when a KLF song is played on the radio). So, no, they're not public domain although KLF material is traded liberally amongst fans, as one might expect. --kingboyk 16:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

There's now an article on this - Deletion (music industry) - so I've wikilinked it. --kingboyk 20:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

So, in other words, it is the same as being Out of print (OOP) or Out of Production? Antmusic 20:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

It's a bit stronger than Out of print. Books can fall out of print simply because no publisher wants to take a chance on them. The owners of the copyrights on the KLF back catalog refuse to ever let it be reissued.

This can happen with books too, but it's much rarer. Rpresser 11:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much I guess. Gee, I'm not a linguist! :) --kingboyk 20:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it basically means the same. It means currently the record label isn't pressing more copies - you may find some in the shops though of a given CD on import. Sometimes they delete a CD's pressing only in certain territories where the artist isn't as popular. LuciferMorgan 11:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Right. And in The KLF's case, they deleted their catalogue in territories where they owned the distribution rights - most notably their home country of the UK, where all KLF records were on KLF Communications - but KLF and JAMs CDs are still pressed in the USA and possibly Germany because the catalogue had been licenced out. --kingboyk 11:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Doctorin the TARDIS

It's worth mentioning that this song also samples The Sweet's song Block Buster. I'd throw that into the article if it weren't prepping for front-page status. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.176.15.79 (talk) 03:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

Saves me adding the comment! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.38.88.6 (talk • contribs).

I think we just mention the key samples as this is an article about The KLF not Doctorin'. Vinoir, what do you think? --kingboyk 12:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Definitely. The song article is the place to bring in that level of detail. --Vinoir 18:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Back slapping

That's a great article. Well done to all involved. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.57.142.229 (talk) 00:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

Glad you think so - cheers. :-) --Vinoir 01:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Fantastic article, with so much interesting detail. Never expected to see the KLF on the front page, so what a treat. Thanks for helping to bring the beat back! 86.133.214.44 07:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. Excellent article, good to see it on the front page. Kaini 10:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to say that the opening line, The KLF, also known as The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu (furthermore known as The JAMs), is absolutely perfect, and gave me a good laugh. Perfect reference to how they refer to themselves in some of the songs, while simultaneously meeting the need for encyclopedic wording. 72.48.98.26 (talk) 13:57, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Seconded; I too got a good chuckle in the past when it had the above opening. I sadly see that the current version has removed this cute reference to their lyrics. 24.155.228.68 (talk) 02:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Adopted the philosophy?

The intro says: "From the outset, they adopted the philosophy espoused by esoteric novels The Illuminatus! Trilogy". That doesn't sound right to my ears. They obviously used the themes of The Illuminatus, but "adopting the philosophy" probably needs a source. Zocky | picture popups 07:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I am saddened and disappointed

by the lack of a mention of Lori and the Chamaeleons (presumably since it is hard to spell?) as an early venture. I'm really, really sad. See me grin! LessHeard vanU 13:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm now listening to "Touch", does that make you feel any better? :) In all seriousness, it's mentioned in Bill Drummond. --kingboyk 13:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

So hard is 'chameleon' to spell, that even *YOU* failed! ;oD 'Chameleon', like 'octopus', is what I term 'pseudo-Latin', in that it's originally Greek in origin (the Greek spelling is 'cha-MAIL-eon', which makes the 'ae' technically - and etymologically - incorrect ('ai' is the Greek equivalent, and Greek is an older language).

Yes, I am a language bore, I can't help it; I had a absolutely *FANTASTIC* English and Classics teacher (I'm not sure if Classics is really taught as a subject in schools outside the UK and within it, tends only to be in public schools*) and, because English is my 'specialism' (I'm high-functioning autistic, and lasses tend to gravitate more towards humanities, whereas lads lean more toward science and maths) - I was reading by the age of 18 months - I was doing A-Level (exams taken at 18 in UK schools) English and Latin before I was out of prep school (precocious brat, wasn't I...?! ;oP). Besides, she was one of the few who wasn't a nun! (My other favourite was 'Old Vic', who taught me piano and was the conductor/composer of the school orchestra. EVERYONE LOVED him, whether they were taught by him - or not). Y'see, they saw me for what I was - someone who was simply wired differently - rather than the living embodiment of Rosemary's Baby.

Public school, for our non-UK audience, means the opposite of what it does in the US (and, probably, elsewhere) and, rather than just being independent, they tend to be rather elitist. Mine was only a 'minor' one ('major' ones include Eton (where most of the current cabinet were educated - and I managed to type that WITHOUT saying what I REALLY think of 'em!) Harrow, St. Edward's (my father, uncle and grandfather's alma mater) Gordonstoun (where, traditionally, male members of the parasitic inbred class (I'm a staunch republican) have been educated, at least latterly) and Millfield (where my cousins - Dad's nephews - studied)). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Margolotta (talk • contribs) 11:30, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Amazing, Simply Amazing

That there is a fully developed article on such a topic is amazing. That someone decided to make it a Featured Article is indescribable lunacy. The decision does a disservice to Wiki. What an interesting time we live in. 68.228.70.223 14:40, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Lol. So which topics have you taken to FA then? And shouldn't everybody take their topics of interest to FA? --kingboyk 15:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Um, how is it a disservice? This is the "encyclopedia that anyone can edit" and all WP requires of an article to achieve FA standard status is that it is well written and properly cited/resourced. The ethos of "anyone can edit" means they can write about anything encyclopedic and, if it is good enough, it can be placed on the front page. There is no subject that is more equal than any others, and I think perhaps you are confused between quality and snobbery. LessHeard vanU 22:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

To be fair, it is highly amusing that the KLF have an article comparable to that of General Relativity. Truly the Internets are a wonderful thing. Chris Cunningham 22:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Amusing, maybe, but amusing is a long way off what he said :) Anyway, must dash, I have to work on that relativity article ;) --kingboyk 22:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Amusing, yes, I should have said amusing. Dreadfully sorry. Completely missed the mark with using 'amazing'. (FAR off the mark, as you say.) I shall try much harder to avoid acute malaprops in the future. Sometimes I feel so inadequate. Sniff. Repeating, however, it is quite an "interesting" time that we live, as this discussion attests. 68.228.70.223 15:25, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I am still not getting it. Why? Both articles are a labour of love, both are properly cited, both went before peer review, both passed the benchmark of Featured Article status (well, I suppose General Theory of Relativity has, I haven't looked), both will draw attention from sections of the internet community, both will encourage people to consider contributing to Wikipedia and both will discourage people from wishing to contribute. I understand that you are referring to content, of course, but my response is that WP is very big and can incorporate any subject in an encyclopedic way. If it can, then of course it should and therefore any subject can make the front page if it is well written. A poorly researched and written article, however august the subject, is what does WP a disservice. IMO. LessHeard vanU 16:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm afraid I don't really understand the relevance of a comparison between The KLF and general relativity other than the fact that the two are pretty much mutually exclusive. As for living in interesting times, that's a tautology. Everything's interesting in some way, irrespective of what times you're living through. --Vinoir 16:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say it was disappointing, or inappropriate, or anything like that. I just said that I find it to be humourous. I'd worry about anyone who couldn't find anything intrinsically amusing about one of Wikipedia's better and more notable articles being a comprehensive biography of the KLF. It sort of sums up the Internet. In a good way. It reminds me of this Achewood strip, which like all of Achewood is fantastic. Chris Cunningham 18:19, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, as in delighted? Got it. That's cool. LessHeard vanU 16:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more, with the OP. These guys were absolute wankers of the lowest water. They did come up with a couple of semi-decent pop numbers but they weren't significant art in any way (or even original). Andy Warhol Principle - famous by being famous for becoming famous and being famous: whilst being vaccuously shallow and devoid of worth. I would have just shelved them under 'mildly amusing' until that 1 million pounds sterling affair. The point where the interviewer says "and you didn't donate it to charity because...?" and the idiot reply comes, is the point where my stomach just won't let me watch any further. Tossers. But - this is an encyclopedia with infinite storage capacity, and everything should be recorded (so Holly can read it when he reads everything ever written by humans). By the way, is the above respondent THE Chris Cunningham? Hello if so. 203.214.40.71 (talk) 06:23, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely fascinating (not). This talk page is here to discuss how to improve the article, and not whether the authors are lunatics (that remains unproven) or whether the subjects were "absolute wankers of the lowest water" (you probably meant "order"). And no, it's not that Chris Cunningham. --kingboyk (talk) 02:43, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

POV?

Is the word "seminal" not blatantly POV? Tomgreeny 14:49, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you telling me the quotations and sources in the body of the article don't back that claim up? After reading, do you feel you've just read about a run of the mill band or a band who were seminal in their genre? I'm confident that claim is fully backed up by sources. --kingboyk 15:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

No question that "seminal" is appropriate - for example, genre-defining work is by definition seminal. Just because the word is commonly misused doesn't make it wrong here. --Vinoir 15:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, after I actually looking up the definition of seminal I've changed my mind. Tomgreeny 17:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. For other folks who are interested, here's the definition of seminal at Wiktionary. --kingboyk 17:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Seminal, when referring to music groups, is generally used to identify groups that "fathered" other groups, that is, whose members were later involved in other projects of note. E.g., Throbbing Gristle was seminal because it "fathered" Psychic TV, Coil, Chris+Cosey; Bauhaus was seminal because it "fathered" Love and Rockets, Tones on Tail, and Peter Murphy's solo work. I would not dispute that the KLF is a founding/important/influential/etc. acid house group, but given that their side projects (other than The Orb) are basically just the KLF under a new moniker, I too think that seminal is inappropriate in this context. Cherdt 17:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I retract my previous comment; the usage of "seminal" on this page appears to be consistent with a number of other music references. Cherdt 19:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Ad typeface?

Just curious: what typeface did The KLF use in their advertisements? It looks like Impact, but I could be wrong. Ianthegecko 16:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... I think it's in the KLF FAQ, and I think I have the font somewhere! I'm hoping User:Vinoir will answer this; if he doesn't I'll look it up and get back to you. --kingboyk 17:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Believe me, I wish I knew. I've never yet found a good answer to that question. The KLF FAQ guesses Compacta Bold. [1] --Vinoir 03:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

OK. I don't have any information beyond what the FAQ says, sorry. --kingboyk 12:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

It is, in fact, Compacta Bold. Which Impact is a ripoff of. --Lazlo Nibble (talk) 23:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

The great Monday morning cleanup

So, The KLF rocked the house over the weekend, but now there's rubbish all over the floor and we've got to clean up.

Here's the diff from pre-front page to now: [2]

Scanning through it, it looks like most of the changes are good. However, I think we ought to go through it as a team and check for any sneaky changes of meaning, red links, Americanisation of language, and what have you.

I think the front page was a success. Evidently from the obscene amount of vandalism a lot of people clicked through to the article. Presumably there's a thousand or more anonymous readers for every vandal... Also quite gratifyingly folks were obviously interested enough to click through to other articles as there was a lot of activity in other KLF articles too.

Job done but not something I care to repeat for a while! :) --kingboyk 12:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

JAMs have a party. It was intense.

We might see a bit more activity until we're not "recently featured" on the main page any more. I wonder if there's any way of finding out how many people had a look. Good idea on the clean-up front. I have a feeling that the "199x in music" links used to be frowned upon. --Vinoir 12:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

This shows the top 100 pages for the month; we're not in it. It's mostly sex related keywords and other junk, alas :) --kingboyk 11:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I changed the settings on that page and looked at the top 1000 (the highest it goes up to, I think). We're not in that either, which means that less than 4500 people clicked through. That's to be expected though - the big counts will have been notched up from search engine click-through, I would imagine, bypassing the main page. --Vinoir 22:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I had a look at this diff [3] and it seems good. --Vinoir 01:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Looking back at the old threads, what lovely comments we got :) Am most happy! --kingboyk 22:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. It is indeed very nice. :-) Could maybe put a couple on the Project page if the people who wrote them didn't mind. --Vinoir 22:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

English?

I thought they were Scots. A point of contention, surely. Most Scots would bristle at such a mis-step in what is otherwise such a tremendous article. T L Miles

Drummond is Scottish, Cauty is English. As a duo they were based in London. --kingboyk 14:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC) Thinking about this further, the presence of the flag - whilst meant to denote geographical location not nationality - is probably confusing, so I'll remove it. Thanks for focusing my attention on this :) --kingboyk 14:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

All I can say, is no wonder this is such a good article: you folks do yeomen's labor, quickly and fairly. Color me impressed. T L Miles 15:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Much appreciated. --kingboyk 15:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Unfree and copyright

For those not in the know - KLF mean Kopyright Liberation Front. All music and images by them are available for free distribution. —maxrspct ping me 21:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

The first part of the statement is questionable - KLF might mean many things, or nothing. If we'd found anything definitive on the subject when researching the article we would have included it in the text. The second part is totally untrue. Some of The KLF's material is as far as I know still under licence to various record companies around the world, and Drummond/Cauty have never explicitly released their work into the public domain. That's not to say that their material hasn't been liberally traded without consequence - it has - but it's still copyright unless I've missed some big announcement. I think I know what you're saying - that when using some samples and images of The KLF we really needn't be paranoid - and I'd agree with you on that. --kingboyk 20:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Messiah

The article on the rave band Messiah (Messiah (band)) was deleted per CSD A7. I've had a look at the deleted article and don't wish to challenge the deletion. However, I'm not entirely convinced that Messiah are so "non notable" that an acceptable article cannot be written about them and, therefore, I'm wondering if removing the red link from this article (and others) was correct or not. Thoughts? --kingboyk 21:32, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I haven't heard of them myself, but it seems likely that something substantial was probably written about them at some point. They had a single that reached the Billboard Dance Music chart in 1992 and they have a short bio written up on AMG: http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:fxftxq95ldke . If some more substantial information could be found, creating an article could be possible. The article before was a copy/paste job, so no point in undeleting it. Wickethewok 21:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
- Well I think the delinking ought to be undone then... will try and remember to do it later. Cheers. --kingboyk 17:43, 1 December 2007 (UTC) Done. --kingboyk 20:04, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

"Behind The Screens"

I reverted the addition of a Youtube link because Wikipedia is not a directory of Youtube videos. However, the video itself is quite intriguing... seems to be (so far) a behind the scenes/making of from The KLF/Tammy video shoot. Anyone know any more about the video and it's origins? --kingboyk (talk) 12:53, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Picture scans from pics.klf-communications.net

Thread moved to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_KLF#Images. --kingboyk (talk) 10:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

KLF Communications

I've merged the KLF Communications section into this article (and will copyedit further later on). This is because a combined discography/KLF Communications article didn't go down well at Featured Lists. I think it wouldn't make a great standalone article either. However, if it doesn't fit here or it makes the article too long let's hear about it... --kingboyk (talk) 12:18, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Pete Doherty?

Has anyone thought about mantioning the 2006 KLF/Pete Doherty rumours? There's plenty of sites still active and discussing it. Forgive me if this ideas been brought up and subsequently rubbished already :) Chebbs (talk) 13:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

KLF?

In their songs, they refer to 'KLF' and not 'The KLF'. So why is this page 'The KLF'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.159.116 (talk) 13:04, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

They refer to themselves as "The KLF", amongst other things. Look at The White Room cover or several versions of What Time Is Love?. "KLF" alone might just work better in a particular song lyric. They'd call themselves FLK if there was a buck in it. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:12, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

What does KLF stand for? :arny (talk) 20:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

From the Illuminatus! section:

There is no definitive explanation of The KLF's name, nor of the origin of 'K' in the names of the K Foundation and 2K. KLF has been variously reported as being an acronym for "Kopyright Liberation Front", "Kallisti Liberation Front" and "Kings of the Low Frequencies".

Wickethewok (talk) 20:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh yes, I don't undetstand how I've missed it :] Thanks. --arny (talk) 18:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I remember it going around when they were on the charts that KLF stood for Kylie Liberation Front in reference to Ms Minogue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.8.18.55 (talk) 16:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

My mate Ian has long maintained that it stands for Kleptomaniac Little Fuckers. Mr Larrington (talk) 14:52, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

King Lucifer Forever. Perhaps. According to ' KLF - Chaos Magic Music Money'. Could be a discordian riff though! http://jmrhiggs.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/klf-chaos-magic-music-money-new-book.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.232.202 (talk) 22:55, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

In one of the toasting (i.e., spoken) breaks in the single Skinhead Moonstomp by Symarip, the lead voice apparently says: "Now, remember, I'm your boss skinhead speaking. My name... [laughter] ...is KLF."

Nuttyskin (talk) 05:09, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

17

Interestingly, Bill has written about his feelings on this article (which he discovered when it was FA) in his new book 17. I'm just wondering if that's worthy of inclusion... --Kaini (talk) 21:48, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

That's kind of awesome and kind of weird. Wickethewok (talk) 23:11, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

the book isn't about klf in the least, it's about his new project, but there's some good stuff in there. for example...

bill didn't finish the illuminatus! trilogy until a couple of years ago, on his third time reading it. the play, and the klf activities were inspired by just the first half of the book
there's a good chapter about pete waterman introducing bill and jimmy to sampling, and their involvment with the early stock, aitken, waterman stuff
bill was asked to go on celebrity big brother (unrelated to the article, but wtf?!)
he gave away every piece of music he owns to a charity shop last year :(

all eminently citable. but this article is pretty awesome and stable, so i'm kind of cautious about changing it just yet. --Kaini (talk) 23:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

If Bill says something which adds new oversight, and you can provide references, please add or amend! It's a wiki :) I've just ordered a copy of the book. I'm pretty much done with Wikipedia but if I find anything truly awesome I'll add it. --kingboyk (talk) 11:53, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Wow. I suppose, knowing Bill, we got a slagging for being sad bastards? :)

Oh and WTF happened to make this article a Class C and nobody oppose? If this article is class C I'm Jimmy Wales. --kingboyk (talk) 09:52, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Don't know about Wikipedia classes of articles, but KLF are top class. People forget because the tracks are deleted and thus low key, and so the most important UK band since the Beatles sort of skewed their legacy, but it is well-known KLF were the biggest global singles-selling band in 1991, which led to them machine gunning their BAFTA audience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.232.202 (talk) 23:02, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Hear hear. Also (some years later) I can report that Bill wasn't rude about us at all. --kingboyk (talk) 13:31, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

@Kaini: If you're still around, I think a single sentence (or 2 at most) - with citation(s) - about this article appearing on the Wikipedia front page and Bill reacting to it might be in order. This isn't an FA any more so you don't need to worry about stability, and of course Wikipedia is itself very notable nowadays. The question would be where to put it. In "Career retrospectives" perhaps? (I assume we don't have an article about the book; I don't see it in Category:Books by Bill Drummond). --kingboyk (talk) 02:50, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

C-Class?!

This article was a Featured Article and it won best in class in Wikimania. Since then standards have tightened a bit, and new edits have not been properly policed. Fair enough that it's not FA any more. But C-Class?! It still remains an authoritative piece on the band even if it doesn't meet all of the Wikipedia rules.

A: Very useful to readers. A fairly complete treatment of the subject. A non-expert in the subject matter would typically find nothing wanting.

What would a non-expert find wanting? What would an expert on The KLF find wanting?!

GA: Useful to nearly all readers, with no obvious problems; approaching (although not equalling) the quality of a professional encyclopedia.

There's no better article on The KLF in any encyclopedia. Fact.

B: Readers are not left wanting, although the content may not be complete enough to satisfy a serious student or researcher

C: Useful to a casual reader, but would not provide a complete picture for even a moderately detailed study.

Considerable editing is needed to close gaps in content and address cleanup issues.

The cleanup issues are minor. The article could be rolled back or each individual edit since FA addressed, missing citations added, and images removed or tagged with ALT. This is not major.

As far as I'm concerned this article is A-Class. I will however tag it B since it has not an A-class review. C-class is just ridiculous. --kingboyk (talk) 11:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Media

I see the "free content" police have raped this article of pictures and sounds. It looks as dull as dishwasher now. I wonder if it would be worth getting in touch with Bill to see if he'd free up some material? --kingboyk (talk) 11:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I meant "dishwater", obviously :) --kingboyk (talk) 15:16, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd be interested in getting this article back to FA and then babysitting it if you're not going to be around much. But, I'd need your help getting it back to where it should be. The tolerance for fair use media has reached near zero in the last two years, unfortunately. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 15:04, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your mail. I'm grateful for the offer but will have to think about whether I have the motivation and time. Am busy with work right now so please give me at least a few weeks. I really should be devoting spare time to getting my music collection ripped and catalogued as my CDs are all boxed away and it's driving me mad but I can't deny that I'm tempted to get this article back to its former glory and up to date! Thanks again man, give me a shout in a few weeks if you don't hear anything. --kingboyk (talk) 15:16, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Vocalists and Public face

I listened to a few vidos on YouTube recently of the KLF and really enjoyed them, and the singer Wanda Dee's characteristic vocals. Imagine my surprise when coming to look at the wikipedia article, and she isn't mentioned once - and she was the load vocalist for many of her big hits! And there isn't even a wikipedia page about her, despite her involvement with the KLF, Blueman group and being a singer songwriter in her own right! So I've created a Wanda Dee page with some details, and added some details about her to this article.

Honestly if you see several music videos heavily featuring two performers: A Black female Wanda Dee and a black rapper, and then you google the name of the KLF - the number one hit is this KLF page which very heavily features two white men who initiated the project, but no mention at all of the lead rapper and lead singer it doesn't seem fair or representative, so I've tried to correct this.

Indeed, read this article from ABC a respected news source: "BILL DRUMMOND & JIM CAUTY of The KLF had been around for many years with only moderate underground success, however, their fortunes turned upward when they decided to collaborate with several vocalists (P.P. Arnold, Maxine Harvey, Samantha Brown, etc.), rappers & Wanda as a lead singer, lyricist & sensuous centrepiece of their acclaimed songs & video presentations, throughout the 90's. The result was a multimillion selling album ("The White Room" on Arista/BMG) that scored 6 multi-platinum, international #1 singles"[4]

The vocalists they brought on board thus had a large part to play in the success of the KLF. Certainly the public would have identified much with the black female Wanda Dee as one of the main public faces of the KLF along with several others, and until I altered this article she didn't really have much credit.--Confusedmiked (talk) 23:27, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough you may have identified an imbalance there, but don't overdo it by giving her too much credit will you. Bill Drummond and Jimmy Cauty didn't just "initiate the project" they were The KLF. You may be able to dig up an article or 2 bigging up Wanda Dee but you'll find thousands which don't even mention her. Balance is key. --kingboyk (talk) 14:31, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Recent undeletions?

Why hasn't anyone added anything about the recent illegitimate "undeletions" of KLF work? http://www.tinymixtapes.com/news/klf-record-catalog-undeleted-for-digital-release-in-the-ukthen-re-deleted --Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 18:50, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Ricardo da Force

Ricardo da Force is not yet mentioned in the article. He is credited as the co-author of 3 a.m. Eternal, Last Train to Trancentral, and Justified & Ancient. He's the African-American rapper who appeared prominently in the music videos. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 14:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

I've added him; WP:BB. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 14:56, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

He's also listed in List of The KLF's creative associates. I am sorry to see that he passed away. --kingboyk (talk) 13:07, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

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Typeface

According to the article, "A single typeface became characteristic of all KLF Communications' and K Foundation output". Does anyone know what typeface this was? -- 79.123.80.79 (talk) 10:39, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

The best place for questions like this is the KLF Mailing List. I believe the answer may be Compacta but don't quote me on that :) --kingboyk (talk) 13:23, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Meaning of "KLF" revisited

My vinyl copy of Shag Times has this quote from the New Musical Express (NME) in the sleeve notes (which mostly consist of about 30 quotes from contemporary music papers):

Kopyright Liberation Front: Whitney Joins the Jams (KLF) - Whitney Houston joins The Jams, and Mantronix, and Duane & Co, and Isaac Hayes and whoever the hell was responsible for writing the Mission Impossible theme tune. Leaving the already ageing skin of crash collision in a well worn and crumpled state on the record shop floor, the KLF move straight onto the art of super selective theft.

KLF snap together 'Shaft' and 'Mission Impossible', and thus prepare the dance-space to tell the story of how The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu came to court, and then capture Whitney Houston on their samplers. A disco gun down that is so beat packed it will keep your boogie box high and gasping for days.

If this doesn't prove to you that dance music is moving with more energy and vitality than traditional rock then nothing will.

NME - 22 August 1987

That's a reference to "The KLF", "KLF" (no "The") and "Kopyright Liberation Front", all in the same article, and quoted by The KLF / The JAMs themselves. I have no idea who "Duane & Co" is referring to. I would add this as a second source to the "Kopyright Liberation Front" explanation of "KLF", but I'm not sure how to add sleeve notes (that in turn quote a music paper) as a source. Twirlip (talk) 22:02, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

In general terms, if there is a quote or citation you want to use which is ultimately from a reliable source (NME) the best thing to do would be to track down a copy of the original article and then reference that. The Library of Mu often helps - it doesn't appear to have the article in question, however. --kingboyk (talk) 13:19, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

K2 Plant Hire Ltd/Justified Ancients of Mu Mu

Companies House
2017 poster
The KLF are back (sort of) – and it’s exactly what 2017 needs, Peter Robinson, The Guardian music blog

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Done - these sources have been referenced --kingboyk (talk) 20:05, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

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