Talk:Thomas Clarkson

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Incorrect Image[edit]

The image that is listed as "Print of Clarkson, circa 1840" is actually a portrait of another antislavery campaigner, William Knibb. Have a look at the images on his page for confirmation. I study the painter, Henry Room, and this engraving got misidentified at some point, I think by the British Museum or the National Portrait Gallery, and the error keeps getting circulated. Bruce_E_Baker 22:56, 2 May 2023

Thanks, will research.

https://www.google.com/search?q=William+Knibb&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 gives a few published images and to be honest I cannot say the Clarkson images is incorrect, or specifically one of William Gibbs but there is enough of a "likeness" to be worthy of more research.

John Clarkson[edit]

Yes – a good call.

John Clarkson probably merits a page to himself. Thanks for your edit – and welcome to Wikipedia! Cheers – Agendum 23:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmmm... There may be an exaggeration here. "In the next year he rode some 35,000 miles in search of evidence..." Isn't the usual distance traveled by horseback only 20 to 25 miles per day? You can do more, with special arrangements like the Pony Express and changing horses every hour. But that isn't likely to be the case here. The 35,000 miles seems unreasonable. RapidRoy51 20:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should probably read "In the next years (plural)...." The figure is substantiated in some of the sources, including Hochschild's Bury the Chains. – Agendum 23:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Republican?[edit]

In the 2007 Michael Apted film, Amazing Grace his character advocates revolution in a private conversation with William Wilberforce. He cites the French Revolution and the American Revolution. Was Clarkson a republican? Given that Britain was a constitutional monarchy since 1688, one would assume that Clarkson found even constitutional monarchy unacceptable. Dogru144 14:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not having seen the film yet (it will not be released here until 23 March) I can't comment on the portayal of Clarkson. But it is true that some of the group of abolitionists were initially enthusiastic about what they saw happening on the other side of the English Channel – Wilberforce and Eliot travelled there in 1783 to see things first-hand, along with future prime minister William Pitt. It would be wrong to characterise them as Republicans, though, as it seems that their feelings changed as they saw the excesses of the French Revolution. – Agendum 16:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not an expert, but understand that the French Revolution was initially perceived as democratic, and was supported by many liberal British people. However this turned to revulsion with the execution of the king and aristocracy in the terror. Republics (at least in the modern sense) were a new idea, and (at risk of being controversial) the American one hardly began to function well until the constitution was adopted and implemented. This can only just have happened by the date in question. Peterkingiron 14:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that he travelled 35,000 miles in one year seems extraordinary. That would amount to almost 100 miles a day, every single day of the year - and whether by coach or or horseback, that would have been an extrordinary feat for the times, given the state of the roads 200 years ago.

Removal from category "English Anglicans"[edit]

It was impossible for anybody who was not an Anglican (such as nonconformists) to read for a degree (or win an essay prize [1]) until the repeal of the Test Acts. So he must have been an Anglican at that time. William Avery (talk) 12:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the directions yes I agree that you needed to be an anglian from the limited part I have read. The category Anglican I have always read (as with any other similar category) as a person who was closely allied to and even an influence upon, in this case, Anglicanism; not 'just' a member. Please see below as well. I am thought open to guidance. Edmund Patrick ( ^confer _work) 20:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. I understand your reasoning now. I don't have any strong opinions on the meaning of the category, though I might mischievously enquire where Category:Fictional Anglicans, which it subsumes, fits in, including as it does Mr Bean. (But you needn't answer that one.) William Avery (talk) 20:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am glad I managed to get my reasoning across, that part of my communication skills is sometimes a bit lacking. Now the idea of category Fictional whatever(s) - what a concept. If there was a barnstar for this type of thought then please accept that you now have one. Edmund Patrick ( ^confer _work) 09:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anglican or Quaker?[edit]

I note that Clarkson has been removed from the category English Anglicans, which is probably wise. The editor's query about whether he was a Quaker is a relevant question. Clarkson was originally trained as an Anglican but never took holy orders, and was drawn to the Quakers through his close association with them. It is not clear whether he actually ever became a Quaker himself, as far as I know. – Agendum (talk) 13:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was the reasons stated above that led me to remove the category Anglican until such times that it can be shown that it needs to be included. In no way does it diminish the man or the works he was a major part in; rather I felt (see above reply) it was portraying an important though not necessarily central part of his life. As I have said I am happy for it to be added again if reference is found. Edmund Patrick ( ^confer _work) 20:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At Peckover House in Wisbech it states that Clarkson admired Quakers, and was well aquainted with them through his work, but it's made quite clear that he was an Anglican - I think he said something like he was "a Quaker in spirit", and he did write an "outsider's view"-type book about the Religious Society of Friends, suggesting that he still remained an Anglican. Rob (talk) 22:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's available at Project Gutenburg Rob (talk) 22:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Oxford DNB says that Clarkson was "strongly religious, and ....(after graduating with a degree in mathematics) remained at Cambridge to prepare himself to be a clergyman"

Later, he "underwent a moment of conversion" became involved with the abolitionists and, "After twelve months of understandable hesitation, he accepted the call and gave up all idea of a church career, though he had already taken deacon's orders."

After which "Clarkson's partnership with the Quakers strongly affected his religion. By 1795 he had renounced his Anglican orders, though he never submitted to the discipline of the Society of Friends. In 1815 he told Tsar Alexander I that he was ‘nine parts in ten of their way of thinking’ "

So, make of that what you will! I'm not sure that he can be neatly categorised as either. Cheers – Agendum (talk) 15:24, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

mileage[edit]

as in Hochschild's Bury the Chains. and other reputable sources it has long been recognised that Thomas road 35,000 miles in the time of his research about the slave industry so I have changed the article to match. Edmund Patrick ( ^confer _work) 20:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I could have sworn that's what it said before... or, if my memory's at fault, thanks for the correction! What I think we do need to mention is that fact that, when he got on his horse again for the second phase of the campaign, he very nearly duplicated the distance he had ridden the first time - although not quite. Not bad for a man in middle age! Cheers – Agendum (talk) 21:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually when I returned to the article it did say the correct mileage, what I was looking at ? I did not appriciate that he nearly rode another 30K in the second phase, at the moment it says 10K. a reference will be needed. I also have a image of the Bury st Edmunds petition of thanks to Thomas of 1838, which already expresses concern about how history was already being re-written. I will try to upload to a sandbox so that people can decide if it should be added to article.Edmund Patrick ( ^confer _work) 09:31, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Retired to Playford Suffolk[edit]

It says in the Autoboigraphy Of Sir George Biddell, available online at http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/10655 , that he retired to Playford and lived in Playford Hall as a gentleman farmer, leasing a farm.

In addition to the monument in Wisbech, there is also a Clarkson Avenue. This is one of the poshest roads in Wisbech, with some of the most expensive houses. 80.0.121.73 (talk) 14:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

title of image[edit]

title cannot be changed at the moment so we are stuck with galery. The original uploader in commons [2]or someone who can access the same can give it the right name then ask for deletion of the original. Edmund Patrick ( ^confer _work) 19:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why bother? It's only an image filename. --Phil Holmes (talk) 17:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clarkson Frederick Stanfield[edit]

Maybe it is interesting (and should be added?), that the (during that time) famous painter Clarkson Stanfield was named after Thomas Clarkson, as Stanfields father was a friend and admirer of TCs fight against slavery. --74albia (talk) 12:57, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

African author?[edit]

In 'Anti-slavery campaign' section: "That same year an autobiographical narrative by an African[who?] with direct experience of the slave trade and slavery was published; it was highly influential. Clarkson wrote to the Rev. Mr. Jones at Trinity College, introducing Gustavus Vassa (Olaudah Equiano), the African anti-slavery author, who wished to visit Cambridge. Clarkson asked the Rev. Jones for help in selling Equiano's autobiography."

Is the autobiographical narrative by "an African" the same as that published by Olaudah Equiano? Or instead, did its influence induce Clarkson to introduce Equiano to Cambridge and Rev. Jones? It seems that the authors are one and the same but confusingly worded; I have reworded it, but as I am no expert here please revise if I am mistaken! Here is my revision:

"That same year an autobiographical narrative by Olaudah Equiano (Gustavus Vassa) was published; Equiano was an African with direct experience of the slave trade and slavery; his book became highly influential in the anti-slavery movement. Clarkson wrote to the Rev. Mr. Jones at Trinity College, to introduce Equiano; Clarkson also asked the Rev. Jones for assistance in selling Equiano's autobiography and helped arrange for Equiano to visit Cambridge." ifny (talk) 06:48, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Job he did[edit]

What job did he do? 2A02:C7E:386A:E000:A9C7:9EAB:1E4D:98BF (talk) 11:17, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]