Talk:Tofiq Bahramov

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Soviet linesman?[edit]

No, he was always called (incorrectly) the "Russian linesman", as stated lower down in the piece. I've changed the lead. 143.252.80.100 (talk) 14:18, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody else recently actually changed it to "Azeri" (meaning Azerbaijani I guess), so that it read "he was known (incorrectly) as the Azeri linesman", which doubly makes no sense. I'm pretty sure that every time it's changed to Soviet (once Sovetian) or Azeri or Azerbaijani, it's somebody who doesn't speak English as a first language, and doesn't understand that it's not a fact about Bahramov, it's a fact about how he was known and referred to in the UK. Regardless of the correctness of Soviet (for the period) or Azeri (for the actual nationality), he was known as the Russian Linesman. Not the Soviet Assistant Referee. Silas Maxfield (talk) 23:21, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Honor from the Queen?[edit]

I heard that he was awarded with some kind of honorable mention by the English queen for making the call. Can anyone back this up?

I have heard that we was rewarded by the English government maybe it was the queen like you said? Baku87 21:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wembley Goal[edit]

It was no goal. See here --FCN Sebi (talk) 15:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Azeri spelling?[edit]

The article says his name is spelt Bəhrəmov in Azeri. The photo with the football shirts spells it Bəhramov, and this spelling also gets more Google hits. Can anyone confirm it should be changed? 143.252.80.100 (talk) 09:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as many other Wikipedias use the azeri spelling, I think we ought to do it as well. We shouldn't be bound by the Soviet lingua franca of the day (which imposed the Tofik Bakhramov spelling, derived from the Russian version of his name). Tofiq Bəhramov would be perfectly ok with me (with necessary clarifications and redirects where necessary).--Paracel63 (talk) 10:41, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The rest of his career[edit]

Unsurprisingly, this article is primarily about the 1966 controversy. Is there any source for information on the rest of Bakhramov's career to flesh it out a bit? I assume Bakhramov was notable for something other than that decision, because I don't imagine the Azerbaijanis would name their national statium after him because he awarded a dubious goal to England.ANB (talk) 01:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I presume it was down to coincidence of timing. Bahramov died less than two years after Azerbaijan became independent and during the period when the country was undergoing desovietisation, including renaming national buildings to remove Soviet political names such as Lenin. Renaming the national stadium after the just deceased general secretary of the national football association doesn't seem too surprising. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:51, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He had a successful career which is why he was honoured in Azerbaijan. He refereed the Wolves-Spurs UEFA Cup Final in 1972.

Wembley goal[edit]

The article currently states: "The decision to award the third England goal is still debated. In England, it is commonly believed that the decision was correct..." Well, I'm in England, and I have to dispute that. I'd say that the attitude here is more a case of, "The referee awarded it, therefore it was a goal" (though perhaps not always as polite and articulate at that). Quite often people will joke, "Where's a Russian linesman when you need one?" - alluding to getting a decision in your favour rather than a decision that is correct. Any objections if I reword the above? 213.107.110.183 (talk) 16:07, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed to this sentiment. Most English people know it wasn't a goal. But what the referee decides is final.

Stalingrad[edit]

I've heard stories that when Tofik was on his deathbed, he was asked how he knew the English goal actually crossed the line, he had a one word reply: "Stalingrad". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.55.32.72 (talk) 23:16, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]